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Old 02-13-2008 | 06:57 PM
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Went to a Acura dealership for a diagnostic on my 02 TLS because my CEL came on, Found codes 1298, P0700 and P0740, Internal transmission failure! Can't be right because I brought it up to Cottmann transmission a couple days ago and they said nothing was wrong with my transmission, but something electrical could be causing it to act up. Holla at me if you guys know whats up!
Old 02-13-2008 | 07:06 PM
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Why cant it be right? Since our trans are prone to failure i wouldnt say it couldnt be true. You still have warranty left?
Old 02-13-2008 | 07:12 PM
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nah i bought it from my cousin
Old 02-13-2008 | 07:15 PM
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Tranny shop can tell you alot of things to get your out of their hair, take it back have them look at it... How many miles do you have on this particular trans.?
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Whats your mileage total, what year is your car?
Old 02-13-2008 | 07:24 PM
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Just because it was good last week, doesn't mean it wont fail in that time. Sucks bro.
Old 02-13-2008 | 07:37 PM
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got about 135,00 miles and its a 02
Old 02-13-2008 | 07:41 PM
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damn, thats past the warranty deadline... 109k or 7years 7 months... although i'd still go to the dealership and try to reason with them. How long has the current transmission been in there?
Old 02-13-2008 | 07:46 PM
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I had the same thing happen to me a few weeks ago, 0700, 0740 even though the car hasn't shown a single sign of tranny failure. Only a day after I got it back from the Acura dealer telling me it will need a new tranny the CEL went off by itself and the car still hasn't had any problems two weeks later now and the light hasn't come back on. I wouldn't worry about it unless the tranny actually starts acting up.
Old 02-13-2008 | 08:00 PM
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I didn't know that you could still drive the car after the tranny fails...could these codes mean thats its about to fail?
Old 02-13-2008 | 08:13 PM
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yes the trans will often give a few weeks warning, then be fine for a week, then poof its gone. Acura has different test equipment that private shops dont have, or Cottman doesnt like rebuilding acura trans so yours was ~ fine. Obviously not- or you wouldnt have been at cottman in the first place!

Even though the OP is over mileage- its not by that much and acura has been very generous recently- especially an 02- under time over/over miles
The car itself carries the warranty- so as long as its not a salvage title or rebuilt car title, its just a regular car, doesnt matter if you are the 10th owner- the car is covered
Go talk with the service MANAGER at the dealer
see thread on trans failure for all you need to know
Old 02-13-2008 | 11:33 PM
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i just might trade it in for a tsx
Old 02-14-2008 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AZP-TL
I had the same thing happen to me a few weeks ago, 0700, 0740 even though the car hasn't shown a single sign of tranny failure. Only a day after I got it back from the Acura dealer telling me it will need a new tranny the CEL went off by itself and the car still hasn't had any problems two weeks later now and the light hasn't come back on. I wouldn't worry about it unless the tranny actually starts acting up.
This is the 3rd worst info ive heard this year.
Old 02-14-2008 | 09:23 AM
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Whats numbers 1 and 2?
Old 02-14-2008 | 09:45 AM
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I stand corrected. Its the top of the charts for 08. The last 2 were nov of 07.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I stand corrected. Its the top of the charts for 08. The last 2 were nov of 07.

What was that.
Old 02-14-2008 | 11:22 AM
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If you have to ask- it was YOU!!!
and the mystery miss that was from the motor mount...I will omit the rest of the story for your protection
Old 02-14-2008 | 11:29 AM
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What was that.
Do a search for "worst" and my name
Old 02-14-2008 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
This is the 3rd worst info ive heard this year.
It's not impossible for the computer to give false results due to electrical problems. I had an electrical short just before the CEL light came on and it went out just after I fixed the electrical problem, maybe, just maybe that had something to do with it? These cars have many sensors that can fail or malfunction, especially when shorts are involved.

These trannys rarely if ever go from no problems to complete lockup without any warnings other than a CEL. Sorry but spending $1500-4000 for a new tranny just because the cmputer says so is not exactly very smart if you ask me. My father bought a van with a worn and slipping gear on its tranny from day one and guess what, six years later it's still running.
Old 02-14-2008 | 05:58 PM
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Nobody's telling him to get a new trans. What fsttyms1 and everyone else was saying that this is something that should be looked at. If you get warning such as a bad trans code, leaving it alone is a bad idea, thats all.
Old 02-14-2008 | 06:25 PM
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Leaving it alone isn't a bad idea as long as it continues to work as it should, that's what I'm saying. Don't believe everything the computer tells you. At the first sign of the tranny acting abnormally though it should definitely be looked at.
Old 02-14-2008 | 07:23 PM
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Are you a Senior Acura Tech- or somehow have vast knowldege of the internals of the transmission??
Knowledge beyond that of our moderator who has actually rebuilt his TL auto trans??
Or the collective failure experience of the members here?
Exactly how many trans failures have you had anyway??
Old 02-14-2008 | 08:08 PM
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should i be driving my car?
Old 02-14-2008 | 08:30 PM
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You took the car to Cottman and Acura why again???

When the Acura dealer found the codes- what did they say for you to do?
Why didnt they replace the trans then?
Did they say drive it till its worse?
What part of the story has been left out so far?
Old 02-14-2008 | 08:45 PM
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I gave my opinion. Go get a new trans if you want, it's your money. It won't hurt anything to wait for the trans to show actual problems, especially if it ends up not having a problem.

Don't get me wrong here, if the car is still under warranty and the dealer will replace it for free then there's no issue.
Old 02-14-2008 | 09:44 PM
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The original poster of this thread went to cottman and then the dealer for trans inspection.
That lead me to believe there was an operational problem with the transmission, or they really suspected one!

If it was bad by Acura standards as listed in several places- even over the miles limit, they would normally work with you to get a replacement at a discount.

I still want to know exactly what the dealer said.
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
You took the car to Cottman and Acura why again???

When the Acura dealer found the codes- what did they say for you to do?
Why didnt they replace the trans then?
Did they say drive it till its worse?
What part of the story has been left out so far?
He said hes over warranty...


Anyway as far as driving it YMMV, literally, Ive been driving with a trans thats been slippin into 4th for about 8k now, also it pops in reverse sometimes, definite signs of a dying tranny, but I too am out of warranty, i guess we all get a little brave when we have AAA to fall back on.. anyways good luck...
Old 02-14-2008 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
The original poster of this thread went to cottman and then the dealer for trans inspection.
That lead me to believe there was an operational problem with the transmission, or they really suspected one!
Originally Posted by freshazimis
Went to a Acura dealership for a diagnostic on my 02 TLS because my CEL came on
Since my car is out of warranty my Acura dealer said I could fork out $3000 and get it replaced or wait and see what happens since the tranny is running fine.
Old 02-14-2008 | 11:02 PM
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est to replace the transmission and front side mounts was about $3,022.48
so i'm shopping around for a cheaper price plus my car is a salvage rebuilt so i don't have warranty
Old 02-14-2008 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by freshazimis
est to replace the transmission and front side mounts was about $3,022.48
so i'm shopping around for a cheaper price plus my car is a salvage rebuilt so i don't have warranty
That's a steal.

Most independent transmission shops will charge around $2800 to rebuild a transmission and that doesn't even include mounts.

I'd say jump on it.
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Front & side engine mounts
Old 02-14-2008 | 11:09 PM
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are you sure?
Old 02-14-2008 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by freshazimis
are you sure?
YES.

The few 5AT rebuilds that I know of have cost around $2800 as some solenoids usually need to be replaced in addition to the normal master overhaul kit and torque converter.

3k for rebuilding the unit and mounts, installed, is a steal. Be sure to ask if their rebuild kit includes the updated 3rd clutch frictions.
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agree- thats a a great price
Is it a known shop?- does it offer 3 year 36k mile warranty
If not call around- the AA shop offers that, I dont know about Cman and their work
Ask how many Tiptronics they have personally done at that shop
How many had to be re-done

For those over miles limit but under years,- The dealer will normally work with you so you pay 1000-3000 depending on the situation. Full retail installed in 4 gs.

I know of cars at 120-144k miles that the dealer warrantied at 100% or nearly that.
The Service Manager needs to be on your side and make a call the the Regional Rep who gives approval,
All that goes out the window if salvage title- then your best option is the rebuilers
Old 02-15-2008 | 04:34 AM
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note the word DEAL in dealer= able to negotiate
Old 02-15-2008 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AZP-TL
I gave my opinion. Go get a new trans if you want, it's your money. It won't hurt anything to wait for the trans to show actual problems, especially if it ends up not having a problem.

Don't get me wrong here, if the car is still under warranty and the dealer will replace it for free then there's no issue.
We didnt say to go get a new trans, we said that not having it looked into more is a stupid idea. Our cars dont just throw codes to make the dash lights come on and look pretty. There is usually a reason behind it. Ignoring it till it goes away or untill it fails is foolish AND stupid
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The dealer will only tell you what the computer tells you and will give you the choices I have mentioned. Until the tranny starts to show signs, you do not and should not spend lots of money to replace it. Nothing foolish or stupid about it.
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its at the acura dealership
Old 02-15-2008 | 01:07 PM
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fresh- if your salvage title which menas no more trans warranty, and a private shop quoted you a good price, why are you at the dealer? just looking for more explanation of the problem or what? I'm curious~
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3000 was the price at the acura dealership


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