Beefing up an auto Tranny? how/where/how much?
09-11-2005, 11:47 AM
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Beefing up an auto Tranny? how/where/how much?
Hi Tl Lovers....
I Have A Feeling My Auto Tranny Is About To Crap Because Ive Been Abusing The Shit Out Of It And Its An 02' Tl-s....but Anyways , Have Any Of You Guys Done Or Know Someone That Has Built A Beefed Up Auto Tip-tronic Transmision For The 02--03' Tl Type-s /
Thanks
Mario
I Have A Feeling My Auto Tranny Is About To Crap Because Ive Been Abusing The Shit Out Of It And Its An 02' Tl-s....but Anyways , Have Any Of You Guys Done Or Know Someone That Has Built A Beefed Up Auto Tip-tronic Transmision For The 02--03' Tl Type-s /
Thanks
Mario
09-12-2005, 07:06 AM
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hey Mario, the answers to your questions can be found within the archive. i recommend using the search. in short though you're going to find that the VR tranny is your best bet. good luck.
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09-12-2005, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by VITEK
Whats a VR tranny?
to my knowledge they are no longer called Velocity Resources but they are still around. there was a thread on that subject not too long ago if i recall.
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09-12-2005, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by joseph_99tl
this would be a great car with tranny like that.
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09-12-2005, 10:42 AM
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a member named optiq got a bullet proof tranny from florida...im not sure if it was VR...i think there was a post recently about it...the shop turned out to be fraudulent.
09-12-2005, 12:13 PM
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from what ive read, some of the earlier "bulletproof" trannies have also failed
09-12-2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by suj220
a member named optiq got a bullet proof tranny from florida...im not sure if it was VR...i think there was a post recently about it...the shop turned out to be fraudulent.
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
from what ive read, some of the earlier "bulletproof" trannies have also failed
Originally Posted by mezzerTL-S
I havn't done alot of research on this but if/when my 2nd tranny goes I'm going to try this link http://www.levelten.com/
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i got screwed over by the shop that did my supposed "upgraded tranny". i filed a complaint with the state and this fuckin asshole Ed, the owner of the shop had the nerve to lie and say that i have been racing the car and that i had a computer hooked up to the car's ECU. which are both a load of shit. so frustrated!!!
09-12-2005, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by optiq
i got screwed over by the shop that did my supposed "upgraded tranny". i filed a complaint with the state and this fuckin asshole Ed, the owner of the shop had the nerve to lie and say that i have been racing the car and that i had a computer hooked up to the car's ECU. which are both a load of shit. so frustrated!!!
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09-12-2005, 03:40 PM
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So far, the only upgraded transmission that has lasted is Serge's in his Accord V6 w/ 3.5 swap and supercharger. He has a Dr. Evil transmission. They haven't made one for the 5speed auto's yet but I'm sure they can do a good job looking at the high prise he gets in the accord forums. The website for them is
http://www.dreviltransmissions.com/
By the way, the last time I talked to them they were talking in the ballpark of $4500 or so.
http://www.dreviltransmissions.com/
By the way, the last time I talked to them they were talking in the ballpark of $4500 or so.
09-12-2005, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mezzerTL-S
I havn't done alot of research on this but if/when my 2nd tranny goes I'm going to try this link http://www.levelten.com/
I have heard quite of bit of things about Level Ten. Good and bad however personally I have two friends out of 3 who received a transmission upgrade from them that the transmission failed on them however like I said, I haven't used them before so I'm not sure if they are good or bad.
Also I don't know if anyone is close to NJ but I heard this shop here is pretty good too when it comes to transmission work. I don't think they have done an upgraded tranny for any of our cars. I do know there is a guy here in Maryland with a 9sec GSX eclipse with their tranny and it hasn't broken yet so who knows.
http://www.importperformancetrans.com/
09-13-2005, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverTypS
i'm sorry you got such a raw deal man, that really is a load of crap. hopefully you can prevail in small claims court or maybe the state will take action. what have you done in the meantime? did you end up buying another acura transmission or have you contact VR or anyone? just curious.
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09-13-2005, 05:34 PM
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V6P is working on an upgrade kit with some shop. Should be ready soon, according to them. I've already posted and shown interest.
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...2&page=1&pp=30
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...2&page=1&pp=30
09-13-2005, 05:36 PM
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So far, the only upgraded transmission that has lasted is Serge's in his Accord V6 w/ 3.5 swap and supercharger. He has a Dr. Evil transmission. They haven't made one for the 5speed auto's yet but I'm sure they can do a good job looking at the high prise he gets in the accord forums. The website for them is
http://www.dreviltransmissions.com/
By the way, the last time I talked to them they were talking in the ballpark of $4500 or so.
http://www.dreviltransmissions.com/
By the way, the last time I talked to them they were talking in the ballpark of $4500 or so.
09-13-2005, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by duece_RENAMED
I talk to them also and they told me $4,500.00 plus a $700.00 core charge.I don't know any good shops in richmond,va. that I could this tranny installed at.
I believe there is an authorized dealer of the Dr. Evil transmission in VA well at least there is one on the website. I'm sure any transmission shop would be able to do the install for you or you could probably even do it yourself. Shouldn't be that difficult.
09-13-2005, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
V6P is working on an upgrade kit with some shop. Should be ready soon, according to them. I've already posted and shown interest.
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...2&page=1&pp=30
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...2&page=1&pp=30
09-13-2005, 05:50 PM
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We don't have a B7XA tranny, the 2nd gen TL 5 speed is a B7WA. I'm not sure about interchangeability.
But they are working on multiple models, and I'm sure it won't be a big problem for them to work on the '00-'03 transmissions, too.
09-13-2005, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fla-tls
We don't have a B7XA tranny, the 2nd gen TL 5 speed is a B7WA. I'm not sure about interchangeability.
09-13-2005, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fla-tls
I could have built that with a 50k warranty for A LOT less. Things are only as "bulletbroof" as their warranties.
Good luck with your next car.
Good luck with your next car.
09-13-2005, 08:40 PM
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VR outsourced the tranny's they made to a shop next door (literally). It was called Ed's Transmissions. I think VR shut its doors. Anyways that transmission has been a piece of crap. So at the moment, the TL's don't have any options as far as the transmission goes. The only option would be to go custom.
09-14-2005, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Just curious? Have you worked on any of the TL trannies yet in your shop?
I had a call about a CL - but he found that he was under waranty still as well.
09-14-2005, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by car_lost
VR outsourced the tranny's they made to a shop next door (literally). It was called Ed's Transmissions. I think VR shut its doors. Anyways that transmission has been a piece of crap. So at the moment, the TL's don't have any options as far as the transmission goes. The only option would be to go custom.
Let's just say I know about his shop - no comment.
09-14-2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fla-tls
Hmmm.. I wonder if this is the same "Ed" that optiq dealt with.
Let's just say I know about his shop - no comment.
Let's just say I know about his shop - no comment.
09-14-2005, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fla-tls
No second gen TL's yet. Most are probably still under warranty.
I had a call about a CL - but he found that he was under waranty still as well.
I had a call about a CL - but he found that he was under waranty still as well.
09-14-2005, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
humm. well from what i learned the huge issue (thru acura) was that the 3rd gear clutchpack was seeing over 350 deg C, and i dont care what parts you stick in there that much heat parts just dont last. I guess acura has redesigned a few little parts/shafts to allow better coolant flow and smoothed out the metal clutch pack surfaces
About 350 degrees - that's why I'm running Amsoil ATF. It's no fix, but for (relatively) little cost I can get a Z-1 spec fluid that can handle occasional temps in that range.
If we get one in, I'll certainly post a pic of the inside hub arrangement. Honda's typically have the drums more dispersed and connected by gears - as opposed to domestic (certainly GM - with the 4T60 and 4T80) where the clutch packs are linear - sort'a like they took a rear wheel drive unit and bent it into a T.
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Just noticed - you wrote 350 C. That's over 650 F!!!
There's no fluid that will handle that - if that's true.
BTW - you're from Wisconsin - use Farenheit next time!
There's no fluid that will handle that - if that's true.
BTW - you're from Wisconsin - use Farenheit next time!
09-14-2005, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fla-tls
Agreed. I hope Acura has redesigned the parts better in the newer versions. Since we haven't had to order parts for one yet, we haven't had to look into the aftermarket yet.
About 350 degrees - that's why I'm running Amsoil ATF. It's no fix, but for (relatively) little cost I can get a Z-1 spec fluid that can handle occasional temps in that range.
If we get one in, I'll certainly post a pic of the inside hub arrangement. Honda's typically have the drums more dispersed and connected by gears - as opposed to domestic (certainly GM - with the 4T60 and 4T80) where the clutch packs are linear - sort'a like they took a rear wheel drive unit and bent it into a T.
About 350 degrees - that's why I'm running Amsoil ATF. It's no fix, but for (relatively) little cost I can get a Z-1 spec fluid that can handle occasional temps in that range.
If we get one in, I'll certainly post a pic of the inside hub arrangement. Honda's typically have the drums more dispersed and connected by gears - as opposed to domestic (certainly GM - with the 4T60 and 4T80) where the clutch packs are linear - sort'a like they took a rear wheel drive unit and bent it into a T.
Originally Posted by fla-tls
Just noticed - you wrote 350 C. That's over 650 F!!!
There's no fluid that will handle that - if that's true.
BTW - you're from Wisconsin - use Farenheit next time!
There's no fluid that will handle that - if that's true.
BTW - you're from Wisconsin - use Farenheit next time!
But like i said, no matter what you put in there it wont last!
09-14-2005, 10:51 PM
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damn everyone has a different story...
so i guess that custom is the only way to go huh? oh and by the way can someone give me the link to the 3.5 swap..im lazy tonight sorry
mario
so i guess that custom is the only way to go huh? oh and by the way can someone give me the link to the 3.5 swap..im lazy tonight sorry
mario
09-16-2005, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by suj220
Isn't the transmissions in these performance shops suppose to be custom?
Custom - as in beefed up parts like Kevlar clutch material and problem fix kits (like sonnex kits)? - someone has to mass produce the parts (and to my knowledge nobody does)
09-16-2005, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fla-tls
Custom - as in the gears are other hard parts are machined out of billet steel? - you couldn't afford the transmission
Custom - as in beefed up parts like Kevlar clutch material and problem fix kits (like sonnex kits)? - someone has to mass produce the parts (and to my knowledge nobody does)
Custom - as in beefed up parts like Kevlar clutch material and problem fix kits (like sonnex kits)? - someone has to mass produce the parts (and to my knowledge nobody does)
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okay... i know next to nothing about the internal workings of cars, so bare with me if my question is stupid.
Is it possible that there is another cause outside of the transmission that's causing the tranny to fail? It just seems that if it really is a design problem of the tranny all of the car will fail at about the same rate as oppose to just 5-10% of the cars right?
Is it possible that there is another cause outside of the transmission that's causing the tranny to fail? It just seems that if it really is a design problem of the tranny all of the car will fail at about the same rate as oppose to just 5-10% of the cars right?
09-16-2005, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by newbie
okay... i know next to nothing about the internal workings of cars, so bare with me if my question is stupid.
Is it possible that there is another cause outside of the transmission that's causing the tranny to fail? It just seems that if it really is a design problem of the tranny all of the car will fail at about the same rate as oppose to just 5-10% of the cars right?
Is it possible that there is another cause outside of the transmission that's causing the tranny to fail? It just seems that if it really is a design problem of the tranny all of the car will fail at about the same rate as oppose to just 5-10% of the cars right?