World's First Auto CL-S Turbo - Finished!
03-11-2005, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
It was in my S4 with just the GIAC X Chip. I pulled off a 13.1@106.6. With DPs, Exhuast and Manifold PnP I should be able to pull off mid/high 12's. All for under $2000 into it. 
If you launch at too low rpm, I will passed you while you are sitting there waiting for your turbo to spool up! "turbo lag" 
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08-31-2005, 01:31 PM
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how do i go about putting a turbo on my 1999 acura 3.2 tl
(1) can my stock tranny take 6-7 psi
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
08-31-2005, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnie links
(1) can my stock tranny take 6-7 psi
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
1) Probably not but however long it lasts will depend on how hard you drive, etc.
2) Get a shop that does welding, etc. to make one for you
3) Depending on what Turbo, psi you are using but I believe you should be able too
4) Cheaper route probably 3-4k but if you want it done correct then about 7k
Good luck
08-31-2005, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnie links
(1) can my stock tranny take 6-7 psi
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
By the way, send a pm to Speedr73. He may be able to help you as he is working on a turbo kit for his 99TL also. Good luck.
08-31-2005, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnie links
(1) can my stock tranny take 6-7 psi
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
2) how do i get the custom exhaust manifold for the turbo
(3)will i get over 300whp
(4) about how much would it cost me to do it
If you are looking for 300 whp, the Compech SC-Kit, w/headers, intake, exhaust, and Hope IC Kit will net you over 300 whp.
Thats another route for ya.
09-01-2005, 12:30 AM
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Wow...all I can say is wow...
Heil to allmotor_2000!
Heil to allmotor_2000!
09-01-2005, 05:35 AM
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^ 
It would be easier to boost the TL-P... much lower compression. However, the transmission will be toast. Anyone who's gone above the Comptech S/C w/ HBP on the automatic transmission has had trouble. Obviously many even without this power level have problems too, but I think it's pretty much across the board. Just about all the guys that bought Scalbert's IC kit for the automatic are having transmission issues.
It would be easier to boost the TL-P... much lower compression. However, the transmission will be toast. Anyone who's gone above the Comptech S/C w/ HBP on the automatic transmission has had trouble. Obviously many even without this power level have problems too, but I think it's pretty much across the board. Just about all the guys that bought Scalbert's IC kit for the automatic are having transmission issues.
09-01-2005, 10:32 AM
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Yep, I wouldn't even consider continue on this project if my autotragic wasn't upgraded by Dr. Evil. All auto guys should do transmission upgrade first (assuming car is a keeper) then add/upgrade boost.
09-01-2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
Yep, I wouldn't even consider continue on this project if my autotragic wasn't upgraded by Dr. Evil. All auto guys should do transmission upgrade first (assuming car is a keeper) then add/upgrade boost.
i had love to but a 4 speed
common, it doesnt suit well with a big car like the cl only if it is not a daily driver and 4 track purposes only. when they have a 5 speed i will be in.i was looking at the site a while ago i thought Dr evil transmission was closed down
09-01-2005, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by poisx7
i had love to but a 4 speed
common, it doesnt suit well with a big car like the cl only if it is not a daily driver and 4 track purposes only. when they have a 5 speed i will be in.i was looking at the site a while ago i thought Dr evil transmission was closed down
Eh? They (Dr. Evil) make one per order only and the price will be based on demand. I mentioned many times they can build a 5AT prototype as long as someone going to deliver stock POS in their shop. And site is fine - http://www.dreviltransmissions.com/home.html
09-01-2005, 01:04 PM
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And BTW, to illustrate reliability, Dr. Evil has successfully built (including mine) about 53 trannys for AV6 and 1st. gen CL. None of the shop in US can claim the same results for J-series motor. Check them out, these guys upgrade serious dragsters and were kind enough to hear our needs and deliver the product.
09-01-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe
Why would the tranny need to be modified? Seems to me like it would need a tranny cooler and torque converter at the most....ATs are strong enough as is.....it is the heat that kills them.
God you have no clue what you are talking about. The clutches and gears on the automatic transmission might as well be made of paper they are so weak. A tranny cooler will do next to nothing (obviously can't hurt) and only a few torque converter problems have been reported. It's the flawed design of the transmission (poor fluid distribution) weak internal parts (clutch packs and gears), and ECU programming that causes these things to fail on a daily basis on 100% stock cars,
09-01-2005, 04:50 PM
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acura 5at's are bulletproof.
09-01-2005, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
God you have no clue what you are talking about. The clutches and gears on the automatic transmission might as well be made of paper they are so weak. A tranny cooler will do next to nothing (obviously can't hurt) and only a few torque converter problems have been reported. It's the flawed design of the transmission (poor fluid distribution) weak internal parts (clutch packs and gears), and ECU programming that causes these things to fail on a daily basis on 100% stock cars,Well I guess you can't really say what I do and do not know if you really do not know who I am, can you? No need to be RUDE!
The probelms the honda trannies have is related to cooling. By nature of insufficient cooling and fluid distribution, the clutch packs wear more rapidly and cause slipping and other problems. Oil is everything. If the tranny overheats, i breaks.
The transmissions are not weak, but there is a poor design in there. I would think that all you really need is a tranny cooler and a torque converter with a higher stall speed. Certainly reinforcement is a performance minded thing to do, but it is not actually solving any of the inherent design woes of the tranny. Just masking them.
Reinforce? Does not seem needed if you ask me....
OH, and BY THE WAY, I have extensive experience with these trannies from working at numerous dealerships. I know that they have reliability issues.
The funny thing to me is that you come off as knowing so much about them, but you don't even realize the importance of an oil cooler here. Cooler trannies last longer.
09-01-2005, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe
The funny thing to me is that you come off as knowing so much about them, but you don't even realize the importance of an oil cooler here. Cooler trannies last longer.
Think all you want that a transmission cooler/upgraded converter is going to solve the problems on this transmission. That's like putting a band-aid on a compound fracture.
09-01-2005, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Think all you want that a transmission cooler/upgraded converter is going to solve the problems on this transmission. That's like putting a band-aid on a compound fracture.
that was funny, good analogy
09-01-2005, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by peakpowermotoring
Its really getting heated in here... Where are the topless bikini models???
Not trying to start a conflict... he's just flat out wrong and as the vast majority of you all know; I call it like I see it.
09-01-2005, 11:31 PM
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where did this transmission get its "upgraded" internals? i hope not from the same people who did mine because that POS got yanked out by the acura dealer and i had to pay for one from acura. got ripped off by those bastards after my supposed bullet proof tranny failed numerous times
09-02-2005, 12:23 AM
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playing devils advocate...this trannys going on two years old 30K plus with the rescent addition of the oil jet kit ...i TB it every day to 2400 it'll sometimes torque breaK to 3100 but i dont launch it that high...have over 100 passes on this tranny and i live in florida...no cooler
09-02-2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
The really funny thing is you come off knowing so much about them and having so much experience with them, yet if you actually DID know what you were talking about you'd know that the transmission oil cooler has not prevented any failures. Additoinally, you would know that MULTIPLE people have spent upwards of $3,500 on completely built transmissions (higher stall converter, upgraded carbon-kevlar clutch packs, hardened gears, etc) and just about ALL OF THEM have failed as well; one on a car I know of wasn't even boosted. The 5AT transmission is a piece of junk, you could add a transmission oil cooler the size of the OEM radiator and it wouldn't do a damn thing except cool off a little oil. Yes obviously cooler oil temps will reduce wear. However, when the DESIGN of the transmission prohibits adequate transmission oil distribution, regardless of temperature, a failure is inevitable. A transmission should not over heat during normal every day driving, unless of course the design of the transmission prohibits adequate distribution of oil to cool/lubricate the clutches and gears.
Think all you want that a transmission cooler/upgraded converter is going to solve the problems on this transmission. That's like putting a band-aid on a compound fracture.
Think all you want that a transmission cooler/upgraded converter is going to solve the problems on this transmission. That's like putting a band-aid on a compound fracture.
I understand that oil distribution is the problem......I simply wanted to know what reinforcing it did to solve this problem? If what you are saying is true (I am sure it is), then the trannies really are a piece of shit any anything you do short of rerouting oil passages inside the trans is a bandaide fix.
With this logic, if the transmission did not already blow up from the factory, it would not necessarily need ot be reinforced to hold this moderate amount of power increase.
If strengthening is the only thing that can be done to keep these things from failing, so be it. You know better than me. But reinforcement (the the general terms it was used) only leads me to think that some components were beefed up to resist failure. That does not solve the problem with the trans to begin with.
Regardless if a cooler will keep the tranny from blowing up on it's own, you would need one to handle the higher temps caused by more power running though it. If you ask me, any AT upgrade package should include one.
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Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe
Sorry, by my calcs, it is more like 400 whp...what % drivetrain loss are you using?
The standard drivetrain loss observed on the CL/TL is 25% through the automatic transmission. A stock 260hp CL-S puts down about 195-200whp.
500hp - 25% = 375whp. So we'll split the difference.
09-02-2005, 04:50 PM
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a- HA! but witht eh more efficient tq converter,a dn interanals it's probably more like 400whp at 500 crank hp. dr evil estimates a 15-20% loss with the b7za/b7xa tranny upgrades. I have no idea about the second gen's transmission though, as I've never heard of a dr evil built 2gen tranny.
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They have never done a 2nd Gen transmission. And I would agree it would be more efficient than the stock set-up... but I highly doubt you'd see an increase of much more than 5% if that.
09-02-2005, 07:56 PM
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I'm curious what all the sandrails using the J32/35 blocks are using for trannies. They can't be using stock ones at 1000hp that some of them run. Are they using adaptor plates to run GM 4 speeds? or are they using 6 speeds? I'm curious how they are putting down the power.
09-02-2005, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
They have never done a 2nd Gen transmission. And I would agree it would be more efficient than the stock set-up... but I highly doubt you'd see an increase of much more than 5% if that.
I've always said I'd love a nice shift kit and improved torque converter . . . and bet it's worth 3 ths or more in the 1/4.
This is coming from a guy who's had race trannys built and has run them his whole life.
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