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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 10:06 PM
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This is getting Interesting ! Steve, how much does casting this thing in TI. Add to the Cost, ruffly speaking of course ?


Originally posted by scalbert


$1k in a prototype sounds about right and what I would expect.

I can certainly check around once a drawing is supplied, with a need NDA (non-disclosure agreement). Most of the shops I use and know of can certainly handle this. The ones in N. AL and Central TN are Tier 1 & 2 auto suppliers and the ones around me support the local Lockheed plant (for prototype production of fighters and bombers). So if you need it in Titanium it can be done...

But I could be wrong about the price. However, as I stated, if the optimal design costs too much maybe they need to re-think the design to suit a more viable product.
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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 10:58 PM
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Could someone explain to me how connecting rods, cylinder heads, and entire blocks with oil galleys and water jackets can be cast but this little piece of scrap metal has casting discrepancies?? Sounds little far-fetched ot me.

Personally I'd rather see CNC machined, no problem, but having casting issues with a little metal cover?? Uh-huh...
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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by -=SoCalV6=-
Could someone explain to me how connecting rods, cylinder heads, and entire blocks with oil galleys and water jackets can be cast but this little piece of scrap metal has casting discrepancies?? Sounds little far-fetched ot me.

Personally I'd rather see CNC machined, no problem, but having casting issues with a little metal cover?? Uh-huh...
R&D of major car manufacturers in addition to their search of a suitable OEM supplier is much easier for a large company as opposed to a one man operation. Far fetched? Now with enough money you can get anything the way you want it but Doug isn't rich so we are stuck in this perdicament. Time is money and money is something doug, who works 60 hrs a week for living, lacks Unfortunately.

I realize your concerns but just understand the factors involved
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 01:54 AM
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What about a cold weather dyno first?

I'd still like to see a cold weather test in 50-70 degree F ambient temperatures (low temp and low humidity). (Back-to-back test of stock car vs. car with RES. ALL the original RES Dyno tests were done in the 90-100 degree temp range.

The RES test temps of 90+ degrees F, showed nice gains compared to stock, but...

1. The 90-100 degree F temps make for low air density (increase in speed of sound and air spring has lower spring rate/mass due to lower density per unit area and volume). A wider cross section/volume would be required at 90-100 vs. 60-70 degrees.
2. The 90-100 degree F temps increases the speed of sound.
3. The high-humidity increases the speed of sound.

If Acura were going to “design” a Helmoltz resonator for dessert/hot areas, the formulas would “encourage” a larger volume (due to lower air density, higher air temperature, and higher humidity).

IMO, the test is complete when it gets a test at 60-70 degrees (at night or on a cool, dry day).

The tests could result in (depending on how “clever” the design was):

1. Gains everywhere -- (where do I sign-up – I want it).
2. A trade-off with minor losses at low temps (ok, still sounds good).
3. A large trade-off with moderate losses at 60-70 degrees F, and gains at 90-100 degrees (well, still worth considering for: 1) high altitude/hot-weather driving 2) summer driving boost 3) hot and humid area power booster.

IMO, the irony is – this mod has shown good gains in the hot temps, and that’s when the transmission is going to be running under the most heat stress. I’d want to add tranny cooler if the gains were greatest on really hot days.

IMO, the cold weather testing would be of great value...

IMO, it would help if some tests were run with the "original" unit, but at 50-70 degrees F.

(There still is the original unit around -- yes/no?)
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 08:54 AM
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How does the RES effect gas mileage?
Better or worse??
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 10:13 AM
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So in other words, once again Accords are screwed.
I think you mean "for once" since every CL mod out there up til now works for the AV6, plus you guys have a ton of JDM support for your cars, yes?
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 10:45 AM
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LOL, cool, thats from CT /w their headers. How about with RES on a CLS? That dyno I know very well. And drive with it.



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don't be an ass... ooops too late
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 01:57 PM
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i'm in. who wants to go pick one up for me and i'll pay em 600 bux, but only in the next 10 minutes
but seriously, i tink this is a great item for our cars and the sooner we get it, the better
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 03:59 PM
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I just read that the RES interferes with the ECU, is this true, if the ECU has to be tampered with at all, im out........my last car, i bought a S-AFC and when i brought it in to the dealer for engine noise i made sure i uninstalled the SAFC from my car and ECU.....but they could tell that i tampered with my ECU and they voided my warranty and stuck me with bent valves and $3000 to fix it, luckily acura wasn't smart enough to look under my hood before trade-in and i didn't fix anything..
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by 3.2cl-s
I just read that the RES interferes with the ECU, is this true, if the ECU has to be tampered with at all, im out........my last car, i bought a S-AFC and when i brought it in to the dealer for engine noise i made sure i uninstalled the SAFC from my car and ECU.....but they could tell that i tampered with my ECU and they voided my warranty and stuck me with bent valves and $3000 to fix it, luckily acura wasn't smart enough to look under my hood before trade-in and i didn't fix anything..
please people...its a plate a metal plate that replaces the metal plate on the top of your engine it has no moving parts and has no electrical parts it just lets the engine take in more air...thats it....
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by 3.2cl-s
I just read that the RES interferes with the ECU, is this true, if the ECU has to be tampered with at all, im out........my last car, i bought a S-AFC and when i brought it in to the dealer for engine noise i made sure i uninstalled the SAFC from my car and ECU.....but they could tell that i tampered with my ECU and they voided my warranty and stuck me with bent valves and $3000 to fix it, luckily acura wasn't smart enough to look under my hood before trade-in and i didn't fix anything..
How in the world did installing an S-AFC lead to bent valves?? Or did it? I'm guessing it didn't because I dont' see how it would. Can't throw the Camshaft/valvetrain timing off What'd you have, a loose timing belt??
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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by -=SoCalV6=-


How in the world did installing an S-AFC lead to bent valves?? Or did it? I'm guessing it didn't because I dont' see how it would. Can't throw the Camshaft/valvetrain timing off What'd you have, a loose timing belt??

Lean mixtures (depending on load, etc) can stretch a valve from very high temperatures, and that can lead to run-in with a piston top. If the heat load is great enough, you can tulip a valve head and really smack the sucker. (Normally a slipped/worn timing belt, tensioner and or timing chain would be the first thing to look for)

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Old Jul 20, 2002 | 03:39 PM
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please people...its a plate a metal plate that replaces the metal plate on the top of your engine it has no moving parts and has no electrical parts it just lets the engine take in more air...thats it....
OMG I HEARD IT INTERFERES WITH ORBITING SATELLITES CAUSING THEM TO GO OUT OF ORBIT AND CRASH INTO THE HOUSES OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN UZBEKISTAN. THE RES IS INTOLERANT AND ANTI-UZBEKISTANI-MINORITY! I DEMAND A RECOUNT!
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Old Jul 20, 2002 | 08:01 PM
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[z]please people, can we try to keep on topic here.

i dream about this thing at night man, lets get the res into production...[/z]
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Old Jul 21, 2002 | 03:15 AM
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I think you mean "for once" since every CL mod out there up til now works for the AV6, plus you guys have a ton of JDM support for your cars, yes?
JDM support? This style Accord isn't even made in Japan. They got some 4 banger called the Accord Type R with some engine known as the H22a. Maybe you've heard it. It's available in Preludes.

I mean the Accord gets screwed because it's a cow and nobody wants to help the cow. At least you guys come with 5 speed auto and/or 260 hp. I know Accords that cant beat Mercury Mountaineers. I know its more money, I know its made for the family, but couldn't Honda at least back up the looks of the coupe with some cojones.
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Old Jul 21, 2002 | 11:56 PM
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I'm in
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Old Jul 22, 2002 | 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by JRock
OMG I HEARD IT INTERFERES WITH ORBITING SATELLITES CAUSING THEM TO GO OUT OF ORBIT AND CRASH INTO THE HOUSES OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN UZBEKISTAN. THE RES IS INTOLERANT AND ANTI-UZBEKISTANI-MINORITY! I DEMAND A RECOUNT!
I gotta give you credit for that one Jrock.. Very nice! Normally your PITA comments get on my nerves but that one is classic!
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 01:47 PM
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If PAA installs it and warranties it, I am in.
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 08:37 PM
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O.K. so what now ??
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 10:38 PM
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This is unreal. I can’t believe all of the concerns about voiding the warranty. CAI's are much more dangerous. Headers are out of the question. People change the stock springs, rims and tires and a daily basis. And here we have a chuck of hollowed out metal with no moving parts that interferes with nothing but the air, and people are shitting in their pants.

"If PAA installs it and warranties it, I am in. " If you are that damn lazy, you should be concerned about your warranty. This thing is only held on by a few bolts. I don't even think you will need one of those turny clicky things. But, then again, you probably use a left-handed screwdriver. (CrazyHorse
- nothing towards you, I just used your comment as an example of what many others have written)

Lets quit bithching about the warranty and make this thing happen.

If you need to bring your car in, you would be crazy not to take it off. It would only take a few minutes, and could stop a lot of nonsense from the dealership.
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 11:40 PM
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ill take two just in case the first one breaks



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Old Jul 24, 2002 | 06:33 AM
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Yikes, sorry, just trying to be funny.

For real though, I will definitely, without a doubt, take 1 if they are ever made.

I am sure PAA will still warranty your cars with a RES in it, being that they WILL cover your cars with a Comptech S/C if they install it.
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Old Jul 24, 2002 | 08:30 PM
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Count me in to pre-purchase a RES. Can we get one soon?
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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 12:24 AM
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All the money would be handled buy Tim and via his business so i'm sure that there would be a time table setup and refunds would/could be handed out w/o a problem.

I can vouch for tim. i had ordered a acura car shade from his website, and they stopped production for a while. he felt that they may start up again. so i told him to hold my money for a while. almost a year passed and they hadnt renewed the acura car shade i wanted, and so i asked to go ahead and do a refund. it took no time at all to get it done. tim was always very responsive to emails, usually within a few hours, never more than 24-48 hours. very professional and courteous. i'd trust him with the $300 or $400 they are talkin about
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Old Jul 26, 2002 | 09:35 AM
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I can vouch for tim. i had ordered a acura car shade from his website, and they stopped production for a while. he felt that they may start up again. so i told him to hold my money for a while. almost a year passed and they hadnt renewed the acura car shade i wanted, and so i asked to go ahead and do a refund. it took no time at all to get it done. tim was always very responsive to emails, usually within a few hours, never more than 24-48 hours. very professional and courteous. i'd trust him with the $300 or $400 they are talkin about
I too can vouch for Tim... he is a great business man. Among other things I purchased from him (all which were great transactions), I pre-purchased the sills from him when he was going to be handling it. Things changed with that and within a day of the email saying he wasn't handling the purchasing, the order was cancelled and nothing was billed. He did this for every single order with no hitches.

As for the RES.... If it's a one shot deal, I'm in b/c I want one... if it's going to be around for a while I won't be on the first production run......
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 05:16 AM
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There seem to be enough insterest to get the RES into production, but doug has decided to try and get a different production company were he could run smaller batches (ie 100-200) The company is currently laser reading the dimensions of the current RES and then it will put it into production. I try to get the RES out sooner, but it seems like we are going to have to wait for a couple more weeks. Sorry to share this info with you. I really wanted to see how the RES performs on the track. Hope well.

I do have a little bit of good news, you might see the MMII coming out sooner than the RES for about half of the cost. I'm meeting doug next week to talk more about the MMII.
See above.... this seems to be the latest info (as of 7/26).
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 12:19 PM
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 12:38 PM
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here's something to look at also
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 03:06 PM
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here's something to look at also
That is pretty nifft looking!!!!!!!!:shakehd:
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 04:09 AM
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That '03 Accord engine is interesting in that the center plenum cover has a different bolt pattern so no RES for it without changes. Also, I see the intake tract is straighter and the power steering pump seems to be driven by the same belt as the alternator.
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
That '03 Accord engine is interesting in that the center plenum cover has a different bolt pattern so no RES for it without changes. Also, I see the intake tract is straighter and the power steering pump seems to be driven by the same belt as the alternator.

Scalbert,
Not much of a TB either. Seems rather tiny in terms of dia.
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Old Aug 1, 2002 | 02:12 AM
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so what is the status of res or the estimated time we can expect it to be availible?
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Old Aug 5, 2002 | 10:44 PM
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Questions:

Assume someone says yes, they are in.

A: When is the deposit needed?
B: When will product be delivered?
C: Based on the difference between A and B, would Tim
take a credit card with n-days return? That way the buyers
risk would be mitigated by a credit card and purchase
agreement with a registered business.

If the right answers come back on this, then perhaps more
people will feel comfortable jumping in.

Either way, this RES sounds like the best mod going, but I
agree with EricTL. I would like to see some cooler weather
results to make this a no-brainer.

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Old Aug 6, 2002 | 12:17 PM
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Will Buy

If there is a valid certifiable DYNchart and the price stays under US$400.00 then I would also consider buying one.

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Old Aug 9, 2002 | 08:40 AM
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Im sorry for being lazy, im sure someone asked already, but i dont feel like reading all 8 pages to find my answer. Does it fit a CL-P?? Thanks
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Old Aug 9, 2002 | 10:24 AM
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Does it come with directions? Kidding.
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Old Aug 15, 2002 | 03:29 PM
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Old Aug 15, 2002 | 06:21 PM
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Im sorry for being lazy, im sure someone asked already, but i dont feel like reading all 8 pages to find my answer. Does it fit a CL-P?? Thanks
yes
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Old Aug 16, 2002 | 03:28 PM
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sorry for asking if this has been addressed but what is MMII
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Old Aug 17, 2002 | 04:40 AM
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maybe this will convince a few people
Who's car is this that got dynoed?

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