If it’s SHINY and CHROME and makes my car faster.....Of course I’m in !!!!

Shawn S

 

Side note....................
I think a deposit of say 100-dollars would generate MORE interest.
That’s enough to get the ball rolling on the development, but you’re not putting the whole enchilada out all at once.

Plus, people would be less likely to back out after signing up if they stood to loose 100-clams.
I’m guessing at least HALF of the people that say YES in this thread will never buy the thing.
It always seems to work out that way.

Shawn S

 

Deposit is a good way to go, it shows we believe in it and should give them the cash to complete the project. Maybe those who deposit get $50 off or something like that as a reward for helping to fund it. That would work.

 

im in FOR SURE

 

not only am i in....but....I WILL BUY 3 if it helps get it built...obviously ill sell the other 2 once received and i challange any of you others...that can afford it, to concider the same...if for no other reason, than to make a statement as to how much ;1 you belive in this product and its benefits. and 2, that fact that it's real and not a scam...i propose a new, not so much poll, but ,like a GB list, rather than numbers how many people have voted....a name and a commitment, just written at first, but think of the newbies...even today more than a year later people are saying what is it?is it real? what does it look like? if they see names like MIKE ,erikL,soopa,...etc respected members...moderators,that might give the hesitant more comfidence...

 

I would probably be willing to put up a fair deposit, but I was wondering about a couple things...

Does this mod have moving parts? My guess is yes since, from my understanding, the mod influences the air pattern enterng the intake valves over a variable range of engine speeds. If so, it may be wise to check for any *potential* parts breakage or wear issues (especially through extended use), as it would probably severly damage or ruin an engine should something come loose and be sucked into a cylinder. Not saying that would happen - I'm sure these guys are smart and have done their homework, but it's just something I am considering (especially since this appears to be the first large production run of the part). Also, depending upon what type of insurance and business entity they are set up as would also influence my final decision on whether to buy. Again, I'm not doubting anyone's ability to produce a quality product the delivers all it promises - I know these guys are well respected and I'm sure they've done a great job. I just wouldn't want to risk blowing an engine and having no coverage or warranty guarantee.

Assuming all these issues have been addressed and we see consistent performance results over a varying range of type S', then I'd probably be very willing to sign up on the list.

 

..if this helps...this part has nothing to do with moving parts...if you will...its like a cold air intake with no...i means, no chance of water ingestion...and if you have an air intake it does not increase the chance of ingestion ...its the same, the only present danger is your intake...all this does is allow the engine to take in more air...that's it....

 

I would also like a little more info and pics. But, of course I am very interested.

 

I'm in....

I'll even be willing to put a deposit down

 

u need 400 sold??!! 120,000 dollars? wow
good luck


cant he just run like 50 of em first and charge like 20-30 more per unit? that would be much more practical. then after all the results come in from that batch, and it is indeed successful(with all the clearance issues resolved) then maybe they can have a better chance at selling 400.

too bad the Accordv6 part wasnt made. there are a ton of people that would be interested in that.

 

btw when i get home and if no one already posted, i'll post the pic i took at SEMA of the RES cover.

btw they never had a booth at SEMA. Doug was just walking around with a bag on his shoulder and i ran into him at the Comptech booth.

 

goto the link i posted. The first thread regarding this entire issue explains everything:


http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...threadid=43622

 

:o Sorry, I had no idea the CL-P/TL-P had an inner volumetric type plenum like the CL-S. I figured it had external runners like the av6.

And no need to apologize for me, I have a CL-S Manifold, so I have been waiting for this product just as much as you guys.

And as for Comptech, hehe, that may be the case, but I'm willing to bet they would've had it out by now. So then let's give it to UR. Didn't take them long to get the billet pulleys made, and they didn't require 400 people, only 40 :P.

 

man i just saw the pics of the dynos, whoa those are some serious gains on the TL-S, only thing is i not going speed with this car...plus i have the TL-P not the S

 

So in other words, once again Accords are screwed.

 

I'm in as long as it doesn't toast my warranty. I don't want my tranny ker-plunking again and having to bring it to the dealership to see the Service Manager holding a hunk of metal (see: RES) telling me that I voided my warranty. That would suck ass.

-Ash

 

I'm in, and Shawn has a GREAT idea. Allowing a minimum deposit would generate more interest/money. Those who are willing to put a full deposit should. But a little incentive (discount) never hurt. If Tim/ACP is handling the money (not paypal crap) I have no problem with a full deposit.

 

According to the 4 TL guys who are handling this. The deposit thing isn't going to work. You are not paying a deposit for the RES in hopes of it being built. You are buying the RES before it is made. They will only do 1 run of units. Full price. As to what that full price will be, is still not finalized. Also not finalized is the # of units. I would guess if they had a good count of the buyers, then they could decide how much it would cost, then decide how many units could be made, & at what price to sell.(I'm sure somone will get some profit for doing this) Then have those people who have said yes pre pay in full the total cost of the RES, have Autocarparts hold all the money, Get them built, & then send them out. Everyones money is suppsoed to be safe because you have a retailer holding it. If it falls through, your money is refunded. I offered to help, & donate my CL-S becasue I have meet Doug, & I live in the same area in FL as these TL guys, & I have the time. But I was kindly told it wasn't needed.

 

Oh stop bitching. Don't mention anything about accords being screwed for aftermarket support. CL is the bastard child of Honda and the aftermarket.

 

Bitium responded to some of our concerns:

 

Another update from RAadams:

Doug called me at about 7:30 Monday evening to discuss the RES and MM2. Since he's been unable to log on to the boards lately, he asked that I share some information with you all.

The RES project has not been scrapped. He's still some $90,000 short of being able to make the first production run. I mentioned that there was quite a bit of interest on the boards lately and he seemed glad to hear it.

"Mystery Mod II" or "MM2" is alive and very well. We can all theorize as to what this is, but I do know that it's electronic in nature and interacts with the ECU. He began testing about 7 months ago and ran into a few bugs (mainly check engine lights). Apparently they've been worked out as it's been installed on his MDX for the last 5 months without a single problem. In his words, the [dyno-proven] gains for this mod are "almost identical" to the gains from the RES. He also mentioned the likelihood of MM2 being released before the RES, but gave no specific dates for either, nor did he mention any idea of pricing for MM2.

As some of you may know, Doug left Rick Case Honda a while ago. He's now working for another Honda dealer in South Florida and is still very much interested in releasing these items. I'm going to head down to the new dealership one of these days to meet with him and get as much information on these as I can (i.e. pricing, anticipated release dates, etc.) though him being in a new job might affect the timetables somewhat. I'll share any further information with you as I get it.

 

Awesome!!!! Way to go Doug!! Let's get this thing out on the market!

 

Chart of RES v. Headers

 

I bet it doesn't happen and everybody is going to get into another hissy for the next three months.

No way 400 people are going to give away 300$ for this thing without some serious proof etc.

Don't get me wrong---I hope to hell this happens and would have no problem paying out the cash. But, if I had to bet one way or the other I would say that it ain't gonna happen.

 

wow.....my balls just pulled up in side me....a dream come true...even if it takes a while the news that its not scrapped.....man.....i cant wait...

 

Good point. Look at how much proof people (me included) wanted about the door sills much less an engine component.

 

In !

 

Which dealership does Doug work at now?

Damn Zapata, don't hate, appreciate!

 

Where did this dyno come from ??

 

Originally posted by JZ
No way 400 people are going to give away 300$ for this thing without some serious proof etc.
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I think this again reflects the need for considering some sort of a deposit/escrow process. Again, like most other here, I really hope this works and gets off the ground and can provide all it promises. If so, I'm extremely excited and look forward to possibly owning one.

That being said, it's always wise to consider the potential risks. Just suppose that something goes wrong in this first production run and the manufacturer wants full payment for a bad product or for something that was produced with errors. If the end product users (us) have paid for our units up front, then the risk is there. This may seem ridiculous to some, but believe me, things like this happen all the time in the manufacturing world and money gets locked up for quite a while as the matter proceeds through court. What really scares me here is that it sounds like the manufacturer is requiring the money to be paid up front before the units are produced.

If our deposits were held with a designated trustee in escrow, and a satisfaction guarantee & warranty was given, then I think the support for this product would increase drastically. I may have missed it, but I have seen no details on a warranty, nor have I seen any mention of the refund guarantee (and related timetable to receive a refund) should something be unsatisfactory. Another idea for consideration would be to establish an account with Visa or MC.

Just my $.02. Again, I'm excited about this product and hope it is a hit.

 

... really... the CT header info isn't correct.

 

Ok people This is the deal our money will be in an escrow. The money will be held by Tim from autocarparts.com. IF you think that he is going to steal our money then your nutz.

Word now is that this piece is going to be tested by a few of the board members. That testing will be video taped as proof of RES....as if you need more......and proof of gains as validated by a dynograph .

The CAD drawings which will be used by the CNC machine have already been perfected and so they will not have any issues. The product is just waiting to be produced. Originally you'll remember that they were going to CAST the product but that resulted in a defects that Doug would not want to have in a product that he is producing.

As far as the warranty goes, this is insane. There are no moving parts and there is nothing that will break off and go into the engine. It's a solid metal piece.

Yes be afraid....very afraid :shakehd: Listen man I know you are concerned about the money etc., but so is Doug. To get a good product you have to pay. I'm sure we could get some back alley shop to do CNC the piece for us but that would not garuntee quality everybody wants. Doug already mentioned that if people wanted to buy the piece individually it'd cost about $1,000. I don't think people will buy it 1k.

All the money would be handled buy Tim and via his business so i'm sure that there would be a time table setup and refunds would/could be handed out w/o a problem.


I'm not sure what dealership Doug works at sorry

 

THAT DYNO ABOVE IS FROM THE TL-P, NOT THE TYPE S MODEL. THE TYPE S HAS HIGHER GAINS

 

Dang Bippoppa Ya beat me too it. Yes, that is correct those are the gains for a "premium" version!!!!!

There ya have it $1000 v. $300-325 for the same gains

 

Ya that makes sens efor CLP numbers

Anyone have a dyno for a TLS or CLS?


I'm in either way, I just want to see some actual results for my cars engine. As any mod's gains change between engines. I would assume it's more. But just like to see what I'm getting for my $

The person who posted that chart should have also included what it REFERENCED!!!!!!!! DUH!!

 

They did i just didn't read it in my excitment

Yes it's in this thread

 

 

The concern I express does revolve around the production of this piece. Although I am not aware of CNC hour rates in south FL; I do know what they are in the AL/GA/TN area. Considering this part is not too complex there may be about 1 hour milling time per part (if that)??

In single piece quantity I can't see this costing $1k, maybe $500.

Secondly, what worries me is that the amount of time that has gone into development. If a part that gives optimal gains costs double of what a part that gives 80% of the gains, this is a no brainer.

I guess I'm just confused as to the need to have money up front in this amount. I work with large and small scale manufacturers everyday in the production control and even for us to supply value added services and I know up front CAD costs. I also know material costs. And if this part costs this much in a LARGE run like this then a consideration of re-design is in order. But to ask for money for a part to be made in this volume?? I could see this being the case is twenty pieces were being made…

BTW, if they had the money to produce prototypes to test then the production costs should not be this high. Did someone spend $10k per prototype???

I'm not trying to be an antagonist; I would love to see a valuable product brought to market. But there are too many holes in the story now coming up on a year.

 

Scalbert,
I know doug spend about $1k each for a few prototypes. I've forwarded your concerns over to the guy on a-tl.com who is handling this stuff. Perhaps if you know a reputable CNC shop that is will to do this stuff extend your knowledge over to Tim, RAdams who could contact doug?

 

$1k in a prototype sounds about right and what I would expect.

I can certainly check around once a drawing is supplied, with a need NDA (non-disclosure agreement). Most of the shops I use and know of can certainly handle this. The ones in N. AL and Central TN are Tier 1 & 2 auto suppliers and the ones around me support the local Lockheed plant (for prototype production of fighters and bombers). So if you need it in Titanium it can be done...

But I could be wrong about the price. However, as I stated, if the optimal design costs too much maybe they need to re-think the design to suit a more viable product.