syncivic

Some info for those who have been asking lots of questions....thanks for the email, AOL will probably charge me for all the mail!!!! This is the official price schedule and package information from the Propulsion Laboratory in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida...Part of Rick Case Acura (the worlds largest Acura dealer!)

GEN I 3.5L performance package - 315HP/260 lbft, $4999 installed. Includes engine only performance work. Status - 7 week waiting list, 5 work days build time.

GEN II 3.5L performance package - 335 HP/252 lbft, $6999 installed. Includes engine only performance work. Status - 3 week waiting list, 4 days build time.

GEN III 3.5L performance package - est 400 HP/310 lbft, est $11,999 installed. Includes engine and transmission performance work. This is a light pressure twin-turbocharged variant under R & D with an expected release in June, 2001. Transmission development has delayed overall program as trans has failed multiple times as power exceeded 360HP...current revisions show lots of promise to expedite release of this variant.

GEN IV 4.1L performance package - goal of 300 lbft of torque, Block development is underway and we anticipate a test cell dyno run in August, 2001. This is our cost effective alternative to pressurization. And no, we dont have plans to mate this with forced induction, for the street anyway...

Other items available: Performance springs, sway bars, cross drilled rotors, intakes, exhaust systems, interior customizations, wheel packages, electronics upgrades, etc....

NOTE: As you can see, the cost for incremental gains in Horsepower is not linear as in HP per $. The Gen II package requires extensive flow improvements that move the HP peak up from 6300 to 6800 RPM to gain a 20HP advantage with a slight loss in torque (along with a later peak) and produces a car that outruns a GEN I by 1/2 a car length by 60MPH. The GEN I package is the best bang for the buck. Anyone who thinks the Comptech header's 28HP on a 3.2L drives anything like a 3.5L, they forgot the golden days of torque...it is a 3600LB car with the average driver.

SJ Silver Type-S

Ill take 1 Gen III please!! Damn, why aren't you guys out in California?

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Hollywood

Great info. Thanks


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MNCLS

I see this stuff is for the 3.5. Does this work with the 3.2CLS as well?

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KavexTrax

I believe there are better tax incentives for businesses in Florida? e.g. property tax right?



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[VTEC]TL

Would these packages also apply to a 2000 TL???

Thanks

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NOVAwhiteTypeS

What's this for???

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Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

typeR

where have you been this is for converting a cl-S into a 3.5 bad mombo jombo baby!!! ya !ya!


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16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

NOVAwhiteTypeS

oh yea, w/ the mdx parts and junx. sorry man wasn't paying attention.


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Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

typeR

when you say engine only you do include the comptech headers in this price???? so for you guys that have them subtract a 1000$ i hope!


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satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Assuming that the Comptech adds 30 HP on the wheels and a CAI some 8-10 HP on the wheels.

Let us say GEN I is 315 Hp 260lb.ft at 23% loss that make it 242.55 HP on the wheels. I already saw dyno of a CAI and Comptech headers producing 229 HP on the wheels and this is only for $1500 job.

Also Stock lb.ft at the wheels was some ~175 lb.ft that 74.4% of the rated 235 lb.ft at the bore. The best dynoed torque (CAI/headers) was, as I remember, 189 lb.ft
That makes it 253.8lb.ft at the bore.

I would say GEN I would perform in a very similar way to the comptech performance mods with a CAI.

I could proven to be wrong by:

1) Dyno graphs.
2) Time slips @ the drag strip.



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- Wheels locks
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- Trunk liner
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- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI

[This message has been edited by Nashua_Night_Hawk (edited 03-25-2001).]

syncivic

To insinuate that I have avoided the warranty question is quite unfair. The reality for those doubters is that we stand by the 4/50 original limited warranty. The same terms and conditions still apply and we will be contacting dealers nationwide who want to work with us on installations and warranty concerns similar to STEEDA and SALEEN work their warranty with Ford. Since, as you noticed, we are in sunny S FLA, the CARB certification of our modifications has not been high on the list. On a bar-90 roller dyno, the car blew very similay if not overlapping numbers to a stock -S in GEN I form. As of yet a GEN II has not been emission Dyno'd. When the trans development is done for GEN III, we will test it as well.

Second, those of you posting this thread did not read my NOTE section. Torque allows the motor to rev more quickly into that power band as the crank exerts a greater twisting moment than a 3.2L. Maybe I've been under the assumption that everyone understands Drag racing and what makes for acceleration. Race a stock -S and a Header/CAI equipped -S and you will realize that they are an equal match down low until the extreme upper end of the tach (short lived). Try your numbers as you will then bring that 3.2L to the track and race the 3.5L so you can offer testament to reading its license plate through the traps (if your vision is 20/20 (you may have to squint). See, we can say this confidently because we've done it. Can you walk out of your offices and pick from 100 Type-S's to compare and head to your own DYNOJET to compare and head to the 1/4 mile strip twice a week to test your results in reality. The package we offer includes the headers and CAI which is a chunk of change. The price includes the warranty risk associated with any high performance work. Ask Comptech what the warranty is on internal engine failure when combined with their products? I believe they don't offer one. I also believe they don't need to. Reputation is a beautiful thing....its all we have in life.

typeR

erik i think im not misstaken that gen I gets 315 to the ground ????syncivic???


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satin silver metalic
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16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

blxmjx

Like others have requested before, please post actual dyno numbers and timeslips, that would increase the validity of your claims.

syncivic

When we have run Dyno pulls for 3 different vehicles on the same test day (later this month), we will release the graphs and the "average" of the group will be used in future literature. The HP figures have always been based at the crank shaft assuming a 20% loss and the original mule 3.5L conversion posting 259HP, corrected on our Dynojet. A second car posting a 243 HP figure sent us scurrying to discover a bad valve spring, when corrected, produced 251HP. Production variance??? Our web site, set to be released in early April will carry all sorts of nifty files about these projects and will be linked to the Rick Case Acura site.

Phat-S

EricL, if I am reading you right, I am right there with you on the brakes. I would love to have more power in my CL-S but in all honesty, I have some serious questions about the overall handling of the car in anything but straight line performance. The engine mods sound great but I would be more in the market for a full suspension makeover. Anyone doing that (and I don't mean comptechs springs and sways)? If so, who and what are they doing?

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Drive it on the street. Race it on the track.

gavriil

Torque and HP is the same thing represented a different way. It is better to say: "it is HP at lower rpm that kills trannies due to higher innertial forces..."

If I were SAE I would mandate a secondary way for auto manufacturers to state power for their engines other than the peak output they state today.

Horspower only. No torque.

The difference would be that they would be required to stick a table/list in the manual with HP ratings at every 100rpm in the engine's power band. How much HP at 1000 rpm, at 1100 rpm, at 1200 rpm, etc. That would give customers a better idea of how the engine behaves low, mid and high.

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Nashua_Night_Hawk

Oh Yeah speaking of horsepower, low rpms, hi rpms, look at one of those "grocery grabers" who they drive things called cars. This idiot claim that there is no difference between civic Si and Civic dx/lx. Idiot of the second generation Worse he claims that VTEC is useless and it's just a market hype.

Here is "Reality Check":
http://members.home.net/crush/reality-check/


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- Acura NAV.
- 3M clear bra (full front bumper, and side mirros)
- Wheels locks
- Mooonroof visor
- Splash guards
- Winter mats
- Trunk liner
- Acura Spoiler
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI

[This message has been edited by Nashua_Night_Hawk (edited 03-26-2001).]

MCHM3

hey syncivic how many cl's have you done this to. what exactly is does the gen 1 include. what if i already haveheaders and intake, how much would it be then

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2001 cl type s,custom voltage blue paint job, comptech headers, 18 inch ssr agle strusse rims(painted voltage blue with chrome lip), greddy evo exhaust, cross drilled rotors, pioneer avx 7000 tv, playstation2, iceman cold air intake(custom)nos fuel pressure regulator, piaa ion yellow fog lights, slammed on nex suspension (level ten torque converter and b&m tranny cooler)

my old car www.hondatech.org/99acv6ic.html
my cl-s
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1364953&a=11597233

F=ma_RENAMED

What can the Generation I 3.5 Liter Package do for the 1999 3.2 TL?

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Kenny
Slow TL

BeatYaAll

CAN YOU POST UR PHONE NUMBER.. OR E-MAIL???

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CO-CL-S

hit his envelope icon for e-mail address..

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[This message has been edited by empeters (edited 03-26-2001).]

syncivic

BASH Comptech!!!???? To the contrary, we love all their products and sell a great deal of them so you are once again twisting in the breeze with that comment. To post emissions certifications for CARB would, once again, imply that this is part of our immediate business plan....so you quote CARB rules and I'll go racing. Its run what ya brung but leave the bottle at home, be wary of that 3.5 out for your pink slip.

If you think a normally aspirated 3.5L will pump out the torque of a forced induction 3.2L mill, then shame on you. Our 3.5L does push the limits of the trans, and a pressurized motor will surely exceed it...

To clarify on any misinterpretted comment regarding Comptech....I love the fact that they are producing a Supercharger for this engine family....but it to is a pre-production mule, a feasability study, a work in progress....but I seriously doubt that they will ever recommend this to an automatic equipped vehicle. Rather, I feel Comptech is compelled to gamble the investment to have a unit ready by the time a 6-speed manual trans is available in 02/03. I admire their risk as much as you hate the fact that CARB info is not on our list of MUSTS this fiscal year. At the rate people are inquiring to me directly and at the store, I'm booked for months between MDX and TL/CL tuner car production. So I hope that attacking us will only build the rift between those with and those without...but I'm just in it for the fun.

Signed,

A Professional

P.S. Any time your ready to call a truce, let me know...Personally, I prefer positive, productive exchanges....and you will all get those Dyno readings you trust so much...Time slips too - Coming soon to a web site near you!!!

F=ma_RENAMED

Guys, I think you need to give the guy a chance, he's come here offering us a very generous service (for a price admitedly) and you have to nitpick at all the minor details.

If he's faking all of it, which I'm pretty damn sure he isn't. Then he can't back up his claims and he'll just wash away like anyone else who's made a false claim.

SynCivic and Rick Case Acura are pioneering into tapping the real potential out of this car. Comptech is doing the same, more power to the both of them. I don't see why so many people are ready to call BS and demand timeslips and dyno's to believe it.

I just think you all are a little lean on the gratitude when Rick Case is offering something that no one else can give you.

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MCHM3

trust me its no bs i rode in the car and it dips ill let u guys know whats up april 19 when i get my car back after i do the genI upgrade

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2001 cl type s,custom voltage blue paint job, comptech headers, 18 inch ssr agle strusse rims(painted voltage blue with chrome lip), greddy evo exhaust, cross drilled rotors, pioneer avx 7000 tv, playstation2, iceman cold air intake(custom)nos fuel pressure regulator, piaa ion yellow fog lights, slammed on nex suspension (level ten torque converter and b&m tranny cooler)3.5 litre upgrade on april 16!

my old car www.hondatech.org/99acv6ic.html
my cl-s
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1364953&a=11597233

F=ma_RENAMED

I take it 'dipping' is a good thing?

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Kenny
Slow TL

MCHM3

yes it is it pushes your head back when u floor it. its fast

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2001 cl type s,custom voltage blue paint job, comptech headers, 18 inch ssr agle strusse rims(painted voltage blue with chrome lip), greddy evo exhaust, cross drilled rotors, pioneer avx 7000 tv, playstation2, iceman cold air intake(custom)nos fuel pressure regulator, piaa ion yellow fog lights, slammed on nex suspension (level ten torque converter and b&m tranny cooler)3.5 litre upgrade on april 16!

my old car www.hondatech.org/99acv6ic.html
my cl-s
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1364953&a=11597233

BNut

I gotta admit, it is funny when someone comes here to provide an awesome service, and people do nothing but gripe and complain.

Is this 3.5L boring process possible with the 3.0L V6 block? I know a lot of V6 Accord owners who would jump at the oppurtunity for something like this.

SynCivic, Thanks for realizing that some of us appreciate what you are doing.

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- AEM Short Ram Intake
- AEM Tru-Power Pulleys
- Jet Hot Coated CompTech Headers
- 15.45 @ 88.8mph (Track)

syncivic

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BNut:
I gotta admit, it is funny when someone comes here to provide an awesome service, and people do nothing but gripe and complain.

Is this 3.5L boring process possible with the 3.0L V6 block? I know a lot of V6 Accord owners who would jump at the oppurtunity for something like this.

SynCivic, Thanks for realizing that some of us appreciate what you are doing.

[/QUOTEThanks for the support. Alot of supporters email me privately and have expressed support for our work. Actually EricL and I are just having fun in the semantics of presentation. He feels that my products go BOOM, and I feel that the only BOOM will be a 3.5 (uncertified by CARB no less) running up his exhaust pipes...at the track of course. But I think we will bury the hatchet soon enough, in fact I look forward to it. He seems like a bright guy.

typeR

[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by syncivic:

Quote:

Originally posted by BNut:
I gotta admit, it is funny when someone comes here to provide an awesome service, and people do nothing but gripe and complain.

Is this 3.5L boring process possible with the 3.0L V6 block? I know a lot of V6 Accord owners who would jump at the oppurtunity for something like this.

SynCivic, Thanks for realizing that some of us appreciate what you are doing.

[/QUOTEThanks for the support. Alot of supporters email me privately and have expressed support for our work. Actually EricL and I are just having fun in the semantics of presentation. He feels that my products go BOOM, and I feel that the only BOOM will be a 3.5 (uncertified by CARB no less) running up his exhaust pipes...at the track of course. But I think we will bury the hatchet soon enough, in fact I look forward to it. He seems like a bright guy.

thats cool doug cause i woant you to stick around keeps us up to date with whats going on and be one more GREAT source to turn to for questions and btw not to blow smoke up your ass but you nailed it on the other topic any one could spend less money and just buy a stock vette or something like that but it wouldnt be an acura and more over everyone exspects a vette to be fast but to smoke a cobra in a cl now thats what im talkin 'bout..keep it up!!!



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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

Jeckle and Hyde

can i get one of thos cars for california. a friend got pulled over by a chp guy and had a problem and they checked the car out.

if i drive to florida and have a problem driving home can i call the acuracare card number for help. will they help me out or leave me at some dealer.

i want the 500 hourspower version with manual

when are you getting the manual

typeR

lmao


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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

V6/4Life

so syncivic, can u tell me a brief description of this upgrade as in what type of parts are used and the process that the engine must go through in order to achieve that hp that u claim?

syncivic

In short, general terms....The block is stroked and special Pistons are fitted to maintain deck height, the pistons C/R is 10.85:1. All parts are weight matched. The Oil pump and galley passages are massaged. The cylinder heads are mildly ported, polished, and port matched to the injector holders (manifold runners). Custom titanium valve spring retainers are used to reduce valve mass. The Plenum is cleaned up (mildly). This GEN I setup produces 310 - 315 HP consistently with a 20% increase in torque at the crank.

GEN II has the heads completely reworked, new valves, springs, retainers, aggressive porting, flowed oversized manifold and runners (port matched). This will gross 15-20 HP up top with a slight loss in peak torque and shorter torque plateau.

GEN III is pressurized...details not finalled

GEN IV is a new Block, Rods, Pistons, and reconfigured cylinder head chambers. Lots of work on this one....But it will be a torque monster.

As with any performance motor, the beauty is in the unspecified details and so is the POWER, thats why racing in NASCAR,F1, and Indy, a teams technological prowess and attention to details within the "rules" fly past the other racers with the same "spec" motors.

Happy hunting

AndyN aka CLTypeS

syncivic,

is that 310-315hp at the wheels?

Mike

Andy, the numbers are at the fly wheel.

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Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Muds
Wheel locks
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

DrJeckle and Hyde

Do flies need wheels?

Doctor says flywheel

heh..heh..heh

Mike

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Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Muds
Wheel locks
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

syncivic

To fix a posting error: The gross HP total for a GEN II is ~335HP, not 15-20 HP over a stock set up.

And yes, Mike is right, all numbers quoted are crankshaft.

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