Possible New Mod??
#884
I get the same average mileage now I got before I modded anything. 22-31 depending on city/highway & driving moderately/like a lunatic.
Generally I get about 25 in a mixed drive style/type of road.
Generally I get about 25 in a mixed drive style/type of road.
#889
then increased power, HELL NO, it is turned off when you go WOT, so it would not be a diluted air charge, about the only thing i might say you get from getting rid of the egr, would be increased throttle response, from not having to clear the manifold and such but we are talking milliseconds to to clear the manifold though
kinda true with loseing emissions control, but again see above
yes and very brightly, once you go through the drive cycle to meet the critia for setting a code for that (unless the valve is removed, which then it should come on right away)
what is minimally by your judgement???, 1-2 MPG less would not surprise me at all, but might actually be more then that though
but yes one less thing to worry about, but what complexity are you adding though, by trying to keep that light off???, and not like it is too high of a upkeep on our cars, clean it out like every 50K miles or so
Last edited by friesm2000; 04-09-2010 at 11:44 PM.
#891
cause if the egr was working properly before it should be working properly still, especially with spotless passages in the manifold
also have you let it do the idle relearn procedure???
#892
no, I did not. Once I know everything is sealed properly I will do that. How exactly do I perform the idle relearn procedure?
#893
basically let it warm up fully to operating temp, with everything off (radio, A/C, HVAC system) then let it sit there for 10 minutes just idleing, and don't include the time when the fans turn on either just minus that
and blocking the egr, normally at the valve itself, will not do anything for you then, since you will still have a vacuum leak
and for them lining up, how far are we talking off, cause a little bit off is alright, as long as it can seal fully
and blocking the egr, normally at the valve itself, will not do anything for you then, since you will still have a vacuum leak
and for them lining up, how far are we talking off, cause a little bit off is alright, as long as it can seal fully
#894
It took a few days for mine to get normal. I suggest you put it together, make sure you have no vacuum leaks and let it idle, even if it does not immediately normalize drive it like that, allow it to idle as long as possible every time you park until it learns the new hardware.
I did not remove the egr & I did wire up the butterflies.
I did not remove the egr & I did wire up the butterflies.
#895
Originally Posted by friesm2000
and blocking the egr, normally at the valve itself, will not do anything for you then, since you will still have a vacuum leak
and for them lining up, how far are we talking off, cause a little bit off is alright, as long as it can seal fully
and for them lining up, how far are we talking off, cause a little bit off is alright, as long as it can seal fully
The reason why I don't think its a vacuum leak is because this only happens when I put on the 09 manifold. Stock manifold everything runs fine.
There are pictures posted somewhere of the gasket from the 09 manifold on the MDX IM spacer to show how much the EGR is off. Im not 100% sure if its sealed, hence the reason why I'm going to block it off.
It took a few days for mine to get normal. I suggest you put it together, make sure you have no vacuum leaks and let it idle, even if it does not immediately normalize drive it like that, allow it to idle as long as possible every time you park until it learns the new hardware.
I did not remove the egr & I did wire up the butterflies.
I did not remove the egr & I did wire up the butterflies.
When I was driving, I had it in second and did a slight pull how I normally drive and it wasnt moving at the start and then slightly after it seemed like it opened up and pulled properly. No idea what was going on there.
How did you hook the 2 pin clip to the 5 pin connector on the cover plate? I know there are ways to connect them but I'm not about to put something together and hope it stays together. I tried getting the 5pin clip from acura but they do not sell them by themselves.
Maybe this is all because I never did the idle re learn procedure.
Last edited by jaMezBOI; 04-10-2010 at 05:15 PM.
#896
What you are describing sounds like a vacuum leak & the ECU not knowing what to do. That it happens with the 09 can mean you are leaving something loose/disconnected when you put in the part not designed for the motor.
I had a small leak at the TB, and there are several vacuum inlets on the 09 not on the 01-03.
As far as the electrical connection, I made a connector using wire & male female connectors. The female going to the solenoid & the male going to the car's harness.
Use the wiring diagram I posted.
How long did you drive it? It took mine DAYS.
I had a small leak at the TB, and there are several vacuum inlets on the 09 not on the 01-03.
As far as the electrical connection, I made a connector using wire & male female connectors. The female going to the solenoid & the male going to the car's harness.
Use the wiring diagram I posted.
How long did you drive it? It took mine DAYS.
#897
#898
You need to let it get used to the new set up.
The more you change (egr) the more the system needs to learn. Do what you want, I am telling you what worked.
Is there a learning disability among the Canadian young?
The more you change (egr) the more the system needs to learn. Do what you want, I am telling you what worked.
Is there a learning disability among the Canadian young?
#899
must be the time of the month for some people
I told you what I have done to eliminate some of the possibilities. I'm trying to give as much information so it will help other understand whats going on.
attacking where I was born... classy
I told you what I have done to eliminate some of the possibilities. I'm trying to give as much information so it will help other understand whats going on.
attacking where I was born... classy
#901
You are not helping anyone because you do not have a clue nor have you succeeded at this mod. Try what has been successful maybe you will succeed.
You are not the first young Canadian here to act this way so I asked a question.
Your reaction tells me I hit a nerve.
I will not be answering any more questions from you until you try what has been suggested.
Not appreciating when helped or thanking for attempts at help= classless.
I asked a question.
Too thin skinned for the net?
Not my problem.
#903
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
You are not helping anyone because you do not have a clue nor have you succeeded at this mod. Try what has been successful maybe you will succeed.
Take your panties out of a knot bud
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
You are not the first young Canadian here to act this way so I asked a question.
When I posted in this thread I have done nothing but answer the questions that people have asked me what I've tried and haven't tried.
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
I will not be answering any more questions from you until you try what has been suggested.
#904
I answered a question of his asking how long did I drive it and got a personal attack for what...
#905
That is good advice, I suggest you follow it. You cannot help when you have not accomplished an endeavor.
I do not have your panties
Like you know what you are doing when you are clueless.
You asked people that SUCCEEDED, As one of them I tried to help.
YOU ARE WELCOME
#906
You answered no you did not do it, I ASKED A QUESTION.
If you see yourself in a general reference that is not my issue.
#907
I havnt had time to even TRY it
you still dont understand
I said I knew what I was doing? Don't recall that either
Im learning as people post, and trying to gather information.
do you not understand that I have not attempted to put it on since thursday. So i never said anything about what you said being wrong. I havnt said anything that you or anyone else has told me has been incorrect because I havnt even had time to go to the shop.
you are one of those people, haha k....
Thanks!!!!!
just to make this clear for you since you must have a hard time reading
I have not tried anything anyone has told me yet because I havnt been to the shop since thursday. Everything that has been posted has been greatly appreciated and has been noted down... so the next time I give it to my mechanic to install I can help him out and we can hopefully solve the problem.
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
That is good advice, I suggest you follow it. You cannot help when you have not accomplished an endeavor.
you still dont understand
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
Like you know what you are doing when you are clueless.
Im learning as people post, and trying to gather information.
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
You responded to the question did you allow time to learn NO, yet you have not done the simple task of just leaving it alone to learn.
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
You asked people that SUCCEEDED, As one of them I tried to help.
YOU ARE WELCOME
YOU ARE WELCOME
Thanks!!!!!
I have not tried anything anyone has told me yet because I havnt been to the shop since thursday. Everything that has been posted has been greatly appreciated and has been noted down... so the next time I give it to my mechanic to install I can help him out and we can hopefully solve the problem.
#908
You will get no help with your attitude.
I am one of 2 people that have done this & have written two DIYs go, find the threads you will get no help from me and I hope the other person ignores you also.
You never said you had not tried since Thursday, you just said you did not let it learn.
There is a possibility your manifold is bad, Civic had a bad one. I hope that is the case seeing as you are a serious piece of work.
I am one of 2 people that have done this & have written two DIYs go, find the threads you will get no help from me and I hope the other person ignores you also.
You never said you had not tried since Thursday, you just said you did not let it learn.
There is a possibility your manifold is bad, Civic had a bad one. I hope that is the case seeing as you are a serious piece of work.
#909
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
You never said you had not tried since Thursday, you just said you did not let it learn.
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
There is a possibility your manifold is bad, Civic had a bad one. I hope that is the case seeing as you are a serious piece of work.
#910
Nice semantics. you win.
Hope you downloaded my pinout. I paid to get it and posted it, you are not the first to act like you are entitled to other peoples efforts, I'll email it going forward when polite people ask for it.
They can thank you for not having it readily available.
Hope you downloaded my pinout. I paid to get it and posted it, you are not the first to act like you are entitled to other peoples efforts, I'll email it going forward when polite people ask for it.
They can thank you for not having it readily available.
#911
minus all this lol
and for testing that vacuum leak, put the 09 manifold back on, start it up, you might have to tighten the throttle cable a little much, just so it can stay idleing, then basically take some carb spray and start spraying (you might need 2 cans btw idk) along all the seems and such, and see when the idle smooths out and such, there is your leak
but yeah it almost sounds like you might be missing aport that needs to be plugger or something, cause that leak sounds like it is of decent size, which would be a port or something more then likely
thanks, I'll do this next time.
If I had a vacuum leak would it not happen when I put my stock manifold back on? This is why I am going to be blocking off my EGR.
The reason why I don't think its a vacuum leak is because this only happens when I put on the 09 manifold. Stock manifold everything runs fine.
There are pictures posted somewhere of the gasket from the 09 manifold on the MDX IM spacer to show how much the EGR is off. Im not 100% sure if its sealed, hence the reason why I'm going to block it off.
I did drive it after I had the manifold installed and it continued to have the erratic idle which was fine, but then the RPMs would drop to 200-300 and the engine would struggle to stay on. Then the CEL, VSA and ! came on, turned car off and back on then only the CEL stayed on... trying to find an OBD2 reader so I can see what code its throwing. I don't want to be driving my car around if its going to be dieing out like that on me.
When I was driving, I had it in second and did a slight pull how I normally drive and it wasnt moving at the start and then slightly after it seemed like it opened up and pulled properly. No idea what was going on there.
How did you hook the 2 pin clip to the 5 pin connector on the cover plate? I know there are ways to connect them but I'm not about to put something together and hope it stays together. I tried getting the 5pin clip from acura but they do not sell them by themselves.
Maybe this is all because I never did the idle re learn procedure.
If I had a vacuum leak would it not happen when I put my stock manifold back on? This is why I am going to be blocking off my EGR.
The reason why I don't think its a vacuum leak is because this only happens when I put on the 09 manifold. Stock manifold everything runs fine.
There are pictures posted somewhere of the gasket from the 09 manifold on the MDX IM spacer to show how much the EGR is off. Im not 100% sure if its sealed, hence the reason why I'm going to block it off.
I did drive it after I had the manifold installed and it continued to have the erratic idle which was fine, but then the RPMs would drop to 200-300 and the engine would struggle to stay on. Then the CEL, VSA and ! came on, turned car off and back on then only the CEL stayed on... trying to find an OBD2 reader so I can see what code its throwing. I don't want to be driving my car around if its going to be dieing out like that on me.
When I was driving, I had it in second and did a slight pull how I normally drive and it wasnt moving at the start and then slightly after it seemed like it opened up and pulled properly. No idea what was going on there.
How did you hook the 2 pin clip to the 5 pin connector on the cover plate? I know there are ways to connect them but I'm not about to put something together and hope it stays together. I tried getting the 5pin clip from acura but they do not sell them by themselves.
Maybe this is all because I never did the idle re learn procedure.
and for testing that vacuum leak, put the 09 manifold back on, start it up, you might have to tighten the throttle cable a little much, just so it can stay idleing, then basically take some carb spray and start spraying (you might need 2 cans btw idk) along all the seems and such, and see when the idle smooths out and such, there is your leak
but yeah it almost sounds like you might be missing aport that needs to be plugger or something, cause that leak sounds like it is of decent size, which would be a port or something more then likely
#912
minus all this lol
and for testing that vacuum leak, put the 09 manifold back on, start it up, you might have to tighten the throttle cable a little much, just so it can stay idleing, then basically take some carb spray and start spraying (you might need 2 cans btw idk) along all the seems and such, and see when the idle smooths out and such, there is your leak
and for testing that vacuum leak, put the 09 manifold back on, start it up, you might have to tighten the throttle cable a little much, just so it can stay idleing, then basically take some carb spray and start spraying (you might need 2 cans btw idk) along all the seems and such, and see when the idle smooths out and such, there is your leak
I dont believe he tried to tighten the throttle cable but we will try that next time.
Originally Posted by friesm2000
but yeah it almost sounds like you might be missing aport that needs to be plugger or something, cause that leak sounds like it is of decent size, which would be a port or something more then likely
When I would turn the car on it would idle fine. Its only when we touch the throttle it would go back to its erratic idle.
Next time im going to let it idle properly all through the idle relearn procedure and see if that changes any results.
Thanks for staying on topic
#913
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If it would idle fine then once you touch it it goes erratic, its electronic, not a vacuum leak. Im 90% sure the issue with my idle is EGR related, but its also possible it could be the sensor in the power steering or the A/C circuit (yes, they are all connected to the idle circuit).
When you start the car and it idles fine, turn the steering wheel. Do you have the erratic idle again?
When the idle keeps jumping, pull the intake tube off the throttle body. There is a port on the bottom of it. Plug it with your fingers. Does the idle go back to normal? If it does, something in the circuit is telling it there is increased load so the ECU compensates by opening the IACV a bit. I went through 2 brand new IACVs all with the same issue, so I know its the not the IACV itself, its something else in the circuit. I checked all the wires going to the IACV and the wires at the ECU for the IACV, and they were all within spec.
I took off the sensor part of the IACV, locked the fin that spins inside it in the closed position and plugged the sensor into the harness so the car thinks the IACV is operational. Its ghetto, but it works for now.
The only issues with blocking the IACV is when the A/C is on and youre idling, the revs will dip down alittle bit.
When you start the car and it idles fine, turn the steering wheel. Do you have the erratic idle again?
When the idle keeps jumping, pull the intake tube off the throttle body. There is a port on the bottom of it. Plug it with your fingers. Does the idle go back to normal? If it does, something in the circuit is telling it there is increased load so the ECU compensates by opening the IACV a bit. I went through 2 brand new IACVs all with the same issue, so I know its the not the IACV itself, its something else in the circuit. I checked all the wires going to the IACV and the wires at the ECU for the IACV, and they were all within spec.
I took off the sensor part of the IACV, locked the fin that spins inside it in the closed position and plugged the sensor into the harness so the car thinks the IACV is operational. Its ghetto, but it works for now.
The only issues with blocking the IACV is when the A/C is on and youre idling, the revs will dip down alittle bit.
#914
If it would idle fine then once you touch it it goes erratic, its electronic, not a vacuum leak. Im 90% sure the issue with my idle is EGR related, but its also possible it could be the sensor in the power steering or the A/C circuit (yes, they are all connected to the idle circuit).
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
When you start the car and it idles fine, turn the steering wheel. Do you have the erratic idle again?
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
When the idle keeps jumping, pull the intake tube off the throttle body. There is a port on the bottom of it. Plug it with your fingers. Does the idle go back to normal? If it does, something in the circuit is telling it there is increased load so the ECU compensates by opening the IACV a bit. I went through 2 brand new IACVs all with the same issue, so I know its the not the IACV itself, its something else in the circuit. I checked all the wires going to the IACV and the wires at the ECU for the IACV, and they were all within spec.
I took off the sensor part of the IACV, locked the fin that spins inside it in the closed position and plugged the sensor into the harness so the car thinks the IACV is operational. Its ghetto, but it works for now.
I took off the sensor part of the IACV, locked the fin that spins inside it in the closed position and plugged the sensor into the harness so the car thinks the IACV is operational. Its ghetto, but it works for now.
Ill definatly try blocking it off with my fingers and see if thats the issue. If it is Ill go the same route as you and lock the fin in the IACV. Great idea!
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
The only issues with blocking the IACV is when the A/C is on and youre idling, the revs will dip down alittle bit.
#916
hey guys im finally got some time off work and gonna get the manifold installed after its been sitting in the garage. but just a few quick questions though
i heard that people got a idling problem after installing it... is this happen to everyone? or only if theres a hose leak
and is it easy to figure out which hoses go where will my mechanic be able to figure it out?
do i need 09 tl manifold bolts to get this manofold bolted in?
and what do i do with the switch on the left side of the top plate (as shown in picture) do i plug anything into it or does it stay disabled? vvvvvvv
i heard that people got a idling problem after installing it... is this happen to everyone? or only if theres a hose leak
and is it easy to figure out which hoses go where will my mechanic be able to figure it out?
do i need 09 tl manifold bolts to get this manofold bolted in?
and what do i do with the switch on the left side of the top plate (as shown in picture) do i plug anything into it or does it stay disabled? vvvvvvv
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#917
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Yes, you need to plug it in. That controls your IMRC.
There are two more bolts on the TL manifold for the top plate.
I had an idle issue but that turned out to be a crack runner that we didn't notice until two weeks ago.
There are two more bolts on the TL manifold for the top plate.
I had an idle issue but that turned out to be a crack runner that we didn't notice until two weeks ago.