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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:24 AM
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And I've been getting pricing on S2000's like crazy lately. The most I'll pay is $29K out the door.

One in Delaware came close last night, still no cigar though.


patience!
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:25 AM
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Re: Re: How about we start an ACURA FORUM !!!

Originally posted by zeroday
hypocritical much shawn? you bash on my car, but it's ok because it's a CL forum? have I ever said anything bad about your car? Shit man I even spent 15 minutes of my time last night trying to help you fix your PC problem in ramblings. I don't know why I even bother.
Zero, I don't think this post was aimed at you. You have been a solid contributor here before and since I came here.

I agree with Shawn and posted a similar post over a week ago. I think the real source of irritation for us is the constant reminder that people are jumping off the CL-S boat because the car has some problems. I am grateful for the knowledge ahead of time, but it sucks at the same time and the constant reminder makes it worse.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:31 AM
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I dont mind the posts either - I havent seen much bashing so, ...whatever

Anyway - As car values go down, younger and sometimes more immature young adults can affords such cars as the CL-S, perhaps this is why there is a degradation. - and the quality of the content may slip a little - its to be expected
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by TypeSKid
And I've been getting pricing on S2000's like crazy lately. The most I'll pay is $29K out the door.

One in Delaware came close last night, still no cigar though.


patience!
29 out the door would be a damn good deal. i think most on the s2k board are lying about the price they paid. if you do get an s2k get ready for driving fun fun fun. g/damn i miss that lil race car...
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:33 AM
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Beltfed:

One of the reasons why I stick around here is that I love reading posts about other cars. No matter what it is. I am a car nut and this place usually has some really informative threads
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:33 AM
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Zeroday,

I'm sorry if some of these post on this thread are less mature than others, but I don't think Shawn's point was not any Nissan/Infinity bashing. He was just making a point.

I have to admit, I myself falls into the same catagory of guys who will always think "grass is greener on the other side". So I do admire the people who traded their car for the G35C or the 350Z, (trust me, I test drove them both myself), but at the end of day, I look at my CL and I realize that my love for it is still there, and I know my car gets just as much looks as the 350Z and the G's.

Again, please don't hate all CL owners, I think you have great stuff to say about all cars, and you are the type of car "enthusist" I love to get opinion from.

Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:34 AM
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way to go shawn...I've been thinking the same thing for a while now also. This is the Acura CL forum.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:35 AM
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personal opinion = bashing



Read between the lines, let the small things go. Bunch of fa-kn insecure internet crusaders.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:45 AM
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Damn, y'all!! I really haven't inferred the level of bashing from the Z/G crowd that some of y'all are implying. I'm jealous as hell of the people who can afford to get one because they don't feel safe with the tranny issues. If I could, I would look for something, too. Perhaps, I'd end up with a 6-speed CL-S...who knows?!? I never even thought about modding my CL-S when I bought it, but now I'm addicted to it. If I had a 6-speed, I'd be even happier about modding it, because it would be a little quicker. I still love my CL-S, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to love it. We have different priorities, I hope. Otherwise, it would be damn boring. I like to read/hear reasonably intelligent discussions about most any car. Shit, I'm always bragging about the Supras my friends have.

I'll assume everyone here has always owned/driven Acuras, has been with the same company since the beginning of his working life, and has been with the same girl/woman, too.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:49 AM
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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:52 AM
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I agree with Shawn in general, not word for word. This is Car Talk so you would expect a degree of talk of not just CLs but other cars also, but on the same note it is acura-cl.com so it is not nice to constant bash on the CL **cough, cough torqueaholic**. A true car afficionado should be able to find things that he or she likes of other cars besides what he or she dislikes. It's not fair to bash the CL when compared up to the newer cars, as Jimcol mentioned, new cars are always being developed. That's like comparing the Legend to the CL...the Legend is a very, very nice car, but it lacks new things such as HIDs, VTEC, and a few other stuff, but it's still a very, very nice car.

Also I would like to take some time out and say, I am shocked, but Jimcol actually does have something revelant and profound to say every once in awhile
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Beltfed
Honestly, I don't see where the problem is......maybe I'm blind.

I don't mind the G35/350Z posts at all, enjoy hearing about them actually (the majority anyway). In those posts, I don't see too much about people hating on the CL. The only thing that people bring up that I noticed (and its justified), is the Tranny issue and that they didn't want to deal with it anymore.

That's why this board is cool, because people talk about different cars.
I agree with Beltfed.

I haven't seen a lot of CL bashing even though there are a lot of people jumping ship for something else. That's understandable - you can't expect people to stick with one car for the rest of their lives.

In fact, it's a good thing they stay because then you get information on other cars through these guys and you trust them because they've been here a while and you know them.

To those who bash the CL, go the fawk away. :sqntfawk:
To those who can still post worthwhile info, please stay.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:02 PM
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Hmmm

I am not too happy with all the other car posts, but I just skip over them.... I get mad at times too because there are 4 or 5 of them open at one time.. But it is just like the newbie who jumps online and asks the same (headers,springs, exhaust) questions that have been discussed hundreds of times without doing a search first...

Just how I feel... and believe me it is not going to change anything if I complain about it...

2 each his own, I wish all you guys the best of luck with all your whips.... But this BADASS 6-speeder is here to stay in my garage for a long time..

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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:02 PM
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Hey Shawn--

The reason that YOU don't go around the Infiniti forums saying how much you dislike the interior of the G35 is because you don't own a G35 or plan to own a G35.

See the point? Guys that own a G35 (and never owned or even thought about owning a CL) don't come here and bash the CL. For the most part, it seems a lot of former CL owners are buying G35 or 350z's.

If someone has owned an CL in the past and then buys a different car (any different car), then they should be welcome to state their opinions comparing their old CL and their new whatevermobile.....

Fact of the matter is that the G35 Coupe is just a better all around car than the CL-S. Most people would agree with that. Not ALL people, but MOST people.

You sound like you might be a little jealous of the people who jumped to the G35. Maybe you should have waited instead of getting that 6 speed CL-S.

And no matter what you say about the interior of the G35, it's nowhere near 80's style. If anything, it's a higher tech look than the CL. Although I'll admit that the CL interior is more pleasing to look at. But like I said before- who gives a fuck? When I'm in my car, I spend 99% of the time looking out the windshield.....not admiring my pretty interior
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:06 PM
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My God....do I actually agree with our resident asshole??? Amen, Tom2!!!!
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by O-Town_TypeS
Dude...chill out. I never said anything about not mentioning what cars you have. I said don't go on ranting and raving about them...thats why there are forums for about every car made now.

And wasnt it you who started the "350z owners head count"

A CL owner responded to your post and this is what you had to say:

Hey MORON...its a CL FORUM. You are telling us not to respond.

Dumbfuck
Have I ever ranted and raved about my car? No.

I started the 350z owner headcount for the reasons I stated already. The CL owner you refer to 'joeandcarol' responded and said how he doesn't like the Z. I replied with "thanks, but I am only interested in hearing who here owns a Z". No you tell me, you fucking rocket scientist you, what the fuck joe or carol or whoever the fuck his/her/it's post had to do with my post. If you make a thread thats called "looking for computer help" and someone responds to it and says "your car is a piece of shit" what would you say to them? Probably FUCK THE HELL OFF.

I thought I was very polite about it since I didn't say that.

fucktard.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by TypeSKid
Jim, you constantly say nothing but bad things about the CL. Why get mad when someone calls you out on it?


I could care less what you think, I just wish you would either add something positive, or head for the hills of Dodge truck Forum land.
I see how the food chain works here. If you can't personally attack someone, go after their car.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Tom2
Fact of the matter is that the G35 Coupe is just a better all around car than the CL-S.
NO


Most people would agree with that. Not ALL people, but MOST people.
NO again
You sound like you might be a little jealous of the people who jumped to the G35. Maybe you should have waited instead of getting that 6 speed CL-S.
DEF-A-FAWKIN-LUTLY- NO
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:24 PM
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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Tom2
Fact of the matter is that the G35 Coupe is just a better all around car than the CL-S. Most people would agree with that. Not ALL people, but MOST people.

And no matter what you say about the interior of the G35, it's nowhere near 80's style. If anything, it's a higher tech look than the CL. Although I'll admit that the CL interior is more pleasing to look at. But like I said before- who gives a fuck? When I'm in my car, I spend 99% of the time looking out the windshield.....not admiring my pretty interior
Better car in some respects particularly when it comes to the chassis, drivetrain layout and exterior shape. Which for many those are the main (and in many cases the only) aspects. But the engine is debatable as both have very fine properties. I find the shifter in the CL-S6 better. Add to that the interior volume and cargo room. So I guess it depends on the individual’s needs and desires. Which is why there are choices and I am glad to see such options as the G35C

I don't find the G35's interior to be higher tech; to most I know it is a step backwards. The hard edges with highly visible seems along with the flat brushed surfaces do look reminiscent of the mid 80's 300Z. The CL has a conservative yet (in your words) pleasing look and feel. It is not over the top in style but is great to be in.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
NO


NO again
DEF-A-FAWKIN-LUTLY- NO
Okay Shawn.... use your big letters to get your point across.

But I'll let the sales numbers speak for themselves.

The CL is dead. Let's see if Infiniti is selling the G35 Coupe 3 years from now.

Then I'll say it again-- MOST people would agree that the G35 Coupe is a better all around car than the CL-S

Time will tell.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
NO


NO again
DEF-A-FAWKIN-LUTLY- NO
Shawn, maybe if you spent less energy trying to impose the fact that your a staunch CL driver you would not mind the variety of car talk topics.

Your a diehard CL fan and I kinda see where you are coming from but if your a car fan, and you like to compare your cars to others (you do not have the best car in the world but you know that.)

It's kind of selfish to think that this board is going to revolve solely around a discontinued car, this board will be extinct if the majority of the membership collectively went thier own way to their new car board.

The bottom line is that this board rocks, it is probably one of the best forums I have ever been on ever. People flock and stay here because of the people, the mods, the topics etc. This board would be FLAT OUT BORING if there were no hot topics to argue over or maybe that's how you want it.

I'll continue to ban the idiots without prejudice but I can't support the hard line of having strictly CL discussions all the time. In fairness, I will move or consolidate like posts but I won't delete or penalize people for informative comparison posts, etc.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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2ndly

I agree with Shawn 75% and I have to admit Tom2 made a good point...

But I think the point Shawn was trying to make is that you guys should take it over to the G35 or Z forums... You don't see me running over to club DSM/Mitsubishi forum and talking about how I upgraded to a CL-S... In my mind it just doesn't make sense to do that... Those guys know me well over there, I am friends with alot of them just like I made friends here. I go back to check things out, but I am no longer part of that loop, so I DO NOT POST THREADS THERE, it is just common sense, why be an idiot and talk about G's and Z's on a CL forum? That is like talking to your grandma on the phone while having sex with your g/f or wife... It just don't jive, turkeys.... Maybe you G and Z owners needs to expand your horizons and make new friends over there with those guys so you can learn more about your rides instead of posting threads over here...?? I dunno, just taking a stab at that one... I am just a pee-on.. Like I stated before, no matter what I say it is not going to change things... Just an idea... and my .02.. Take it how you wish .. I hate to see you guys go, but stop back and do interject your info. if your knowledgable about the CL topic at hand..


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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:34 PM
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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:36 PM
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I welcome all car owners to this board as long as they follow our forum rules and keep the convo's nice.

No one should have to go anywhere. I bust on the Z alot (ask Zeroday, he's 5 minutes away from meeting me in a dark parking lot w/ some knives) but it's all good.

Welcome G35, Z, Dodge Ram, & everyone else. peace.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Better car in some respects particularly when it comes to the chassis, drivetrain layout and exterior shape. Which for many those are the main (and in many cases the only) aspects.

Hmmmm..... those are some pretty important things you mentioned there..... A better chassis.....better drivetrain layout....and a much nicer exterior shape..... Not to mention more HP and torque. Others also rave about the 18" wheels, Brembo brakes, lower stance (CL sits like a 4x4), LED taillights, pop-up Navi screen etc....

But the engine is debatable as both have very fine properties. I find the shifter in the CL-S6 better. Add to that the interior volume and cargo room. So I guess it depends on the individual’s needs and desires. Which is why there are choices and I am glad to see such options as the G35C


Yeah, I think the shifter in the CL is a bit smoother. But the G35 shifter is certainly not objectionable. And most people don't buy cars like these for cargo room.....

I don't find the G35's interior to be higher tech; to most I know it is a step backwards. The hard edges with highly visible seems along with the flat brushed surfaces do look reminiscent of the mid 80's 300Z.


Don't look now, but almost all audio/video equipment these days have a silver "metal look" finish. Just like the center stack of the G35. I do think it was meant to look "high tech" and I can certainly understand where they were going with it.....

The CL has a conservative yet (in your words) pleasing look and feel. It is not over the top in style but is great to be in.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:37 PM
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All the cars listed here are damn nice no matter how you look at it!! IMO

Some fawkers I know would give their nutsac to have any one of these cars in their drive. We should sometimes take a step back and be thankful for what we have in life right down to the
simple basics.

Many cannot afford the luxury that we take for granite sometimes
in automobiles.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:38 PM
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I'm already a member of 2 Infiniti G35 sites, does that mean I can't come here anymore? I help out with CL's when I can, but like eclipse said...sure would be boring around here if it were all CL talk. Perhaps keep the Car Talk forum general and make an Acura Talk Only forum...that may be do-able. I don't want to leave this site...ever....I wear my A-CL.com stickers with pride, you assholes.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:40 PM
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Re: 2ndly

Originally posted by Smitty
why be an idiot and talk about G's and Z's on a CL forum? That is like talking to your grandma on the phone while having sex with your g/f or wife... It just don't jive, turkeys....

Smitty


Dude, is it really that bad, these Z convos?
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:40 PM
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Smitty--

Like eclipse said- if everyone here only posted on forums dedicated to their cars, this place will be just Shawn all alone in a few years.

He should be happy that there's still a lot of traffic here, because in time, the members/posts will drop. There's no denying that.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Tom2
But I'll let the sales numbers speak for themselves.

The CL is dead. Let's see if Infiniti is selling the G35 Coupe 3 years from now.
I think the Slush-Box debacle and the popularity of the TL Type-S killed the CL, not poor design.
The TL was always a big seller and when they gave it the 260HP engine it started the downfall of CL sales.
If Acura made the 6-Speed CL-S available in 2001 it would probably still be selling great.

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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by tmk70
I'm already a member of 2 Infiniti G35 sites, does that mean I can't come here anymore? I help out with CL's when I can, but like eclipse said...sure would be boring around here if it were all CL talk. Perhaps keep the Car Talk forum general and make an Acura Talk Only forum...that may be do-able. I don't want to leave this site...ever....I wear my A-CL.com stickers with pride, you assholes.
Can I have your stickers? Or are they going on the G35C?
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:48 PM
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Re: 2ndly

Originally posted by Smitty
.....why be an idiot and talk about G's and Z's on a CL forum? That is like talking to your grandma on the phone while having sex with your g/f or wife... It just don't jive, turkeys.... Maybe you G and Z owners needs to expand your horizons and make new friends over there with those guys so you can learn more about your rides instead of posting threads over here...?? .....

Smitty
So you are telling long time ACL.com posters, now G35/Z owners to leave? Real nice man. I have 300 posts at my350z.com. I like this board better (sometimes I wonder why ). If you think we should all leave, and stop posting here just because we bought different cars, that sucks. I think you're just overly sensitive about your car and can't deal with the fact that there are viable alternatives out there.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:48 PM
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Can I have your stickers? Or are they going on the G35C?
I'm going to debadge the G35 when I get it and put an A symbol and a TypeS badge on the right rear corner of the trunk. That way, I can tell people it's the new Acura CL Type S!!!
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:48 PM
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I don’t want it to be ALL Acura posts in CAR TALK, I just ask that all the negative SHIT be kept to a dull roar.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:50 PM
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Have I ever ranted and raved about my car? No.

I started the 350z owner headcount for the reasons I stated already. The CL owner you refer to 'joeandcarol' responded and said how he doesn't like the Z. I replied with "thanks, but I am only interested in hearing who here owns a Z". No you tell me, you fucking rocket scientist you, what the fuck joe or carol or whoever the fuck his/her/it's post had to do with my post. If you make a thread thats called "looking for computer help" and someone responds to it and says "your car is a piece of shit" what would you say to them? Probably FUCK THE HELL OFF.

I thought I was very polite about it since I didn't say that.

fucktard.



You seem to think this thread is about you...you need to get off of that. I never said anything about you in particular in my original thread. But since you started with me...I will pick on you.


You started a Z owners thread in a CL forum. That is stupid. Whether you think so or not I could really give a shit. It's annoying there are soo many topics about either the 350z or the g35 now. That is what I got out of Shawns original post. If you bought one thats great...by all means you can state that. But stupid treads about how many Z owners are on a CL forum is retarted. Do it somewhere else.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
I don’t want it to be ALL Acura posts in CAR TALK, I just ask that all the negative SHIT be kept to a dull roar.
Fine...then it's settled....Mods, please delete this thread.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
I don’t want it to be ALL Acura posts in CAR TALK, I just ask that all the negative SHIT be kept to a dull roar.
This is where I'm confused, because I'm not seeing any "negative shit" around here about the CL other than the tranny issue.

Old Jun 3, 2003 | 12:56 PM
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This is where I'm confused, because I'm not seeing any "negative shit" around here about the CL other than the tranny issue.

That's my only issue with my CL. I'm used to the warping rotors, the back deck vibration, and the squeaky sunroof.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 01:01 PM
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