Don't know if this was posted already or not.
Just thought ya'll might be interested to know...

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/....ap/index.html

 

Yeah, they've been talking about it for about 2 years. Mustang sales have killed off the camaro.

 

And the Fire Chicken!

 

err...year...

 

Vintage Pull T!

 

I think it sucks!! I owner the 1997 30th anniversary camaro and it was my favorite car ever. Hands down I loved it more than the CLS. Yeah it isn't AS luxury but it makes you feel like nothing else. Plus it will smoke like 99% of everything on the road coming right off the showroom floor for 22k. I don't know but I am gonna miss them and hopefully they will bring it back as rumored in 2005/6 as a retro 67-69 version with the new corvette LS6 powerplant!!!

Nothing beats the roar of 300+ HP coming through a Flowmaster 2 chamber Cat-Back exhaust!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Oh God, not another retro styled car. What's with all these retro styled cars? If it looks anything like the new Thunderbird it's going to be sick.

 

Bah, I don't pay much attention to domestics anyway. :P

This was the first I had heard of it.

 

no offence bro, but the camaro was the second largest piece of crap on the road! (IMO) (right behind ANYTHING made by ford! )

and they didnt come with 300 unless you got the SS which had what 320 or some shit (except the LS-1 which had 305), there are plenty of cars that would hand it its ass! it handles like a brick on wheels! i dont mean to sound like an asshole, but im glad the camaro is GONE! if they bring it back i hope they do something more fitting the title sports car, i duno like IRS, and a decent rear end that wont snap every few months, and kill the t-tops that leak and rattle, and the interior needs to be torched!

again i apologize but i feel sorry for anyone who thinks the camaro is a good car. i have driven the LT-1 ss version, the LS-1, and the LS-1 SS versions and was completely unimpressed by all of them.

PS i hate the shitstang more! they fall apart just as bad had a friend with the 99 cobra the suposid 320 horse that made less power than a GT GO Ford! LOL

 

Y-pipe:

 

god i really sounded like a supra owner didnt i? LOL
didnt mean to lay into ya so bad bro!

 

my car rattles, the roof leaks, the tranny failed, and they CANT fix the rattles! and I paid 34k! For what i thought was a luxery coupe.

and I only have 260hp...

and the Camaro seriously out handles out cars...

What car out performs the camaro and the trans am at their set price rages?!????! this I'll be anxsious to hear....

It's a cheap sports car, but it IS a sports car... And the best performing for the $. 12.9's from the factory if i remember...

 

This is the farthest back one i have.......is there one for last year???

 

Oh yeah.... and the CL is such a looker!

 

See, first off you tell me a car that comes STOCK that is under $23k that can hand a Z28 it's ass.............I am waiting. NOT 1.

Maybe in Handling you could find 1 or 2 but that can be fixed with $300 to hotchkis. And add $5k to it and it will be practically untouchable. I know guys with less than $5 invested in a Z28 running high 11's!!!

So that is a total cost of about $26-$27k for that machine. Yeah I admit your Supra TT is fast but it is also like $50,000 stock and only ran around high 13's stock soooooo what is your point. Maybe you should ask yourself why the Supra was discontinued first?????????

My point is that my $23k Z28 had less rattles than this Damn $30,000 "Luxury" Acura I have now and that is dissapointing. Plus the fun factor was 1000 times better. The only reason it is gone is rear wheel drive + snow = accident.

So take your Supra and go race a Camaro like that. Hope you can Run 11's

No offense taken I wouldn't be the one blushing if I got smoked and realized I wasted $25K on the same 320 hourses

 

Right on Siggy!!!!!

My CLS is a rattle trap too

 

Hey it looks better than the overpriced Thunderbird...Motor Trend Car Of The Year my ass!

 

12.9 my ass! ive been at the tracks a lot more in Camaro and Mustang land than you realize i have seen guys that spend a shit load of cash on their cars to run 12's. as far as for the money its ok, i would take a shit load of other cars first. the honesty about the comaro is this, its old school technology. and poorly implemented. no indi rear suspension, weak rear diff's, ok engine although i have found it to be unreliable (through friends), and the camaro cannot handle, the new civic SI will hand it its ass in the twisties, hell the new WRX would do a pretty good job,

and as far as this BS of a camaro runnin 11's for 28 k, BULL SHIT, find one guy who paid list for his parts who ran 11's including purchase price of the camaro.

and PS the base on a new camaro z28 is almost 24k, and the sswill be closer to 30 by the time your done, so i would think about yoru statements about it bein cheap

 

i also heard about Chevy bringin it back in 05 as an 06 or 04 as an 05 something like that. they said it was goin to be retro styled and that sounds like a good thing to me. the old camaro's were wayy better lookin than the latest POS Chevy put out. i dont thinks its so bad about their idea of a retro camaro. now if only ford would make a maustang that looked as close as they could get to a first gen stang and stick the new cobra 390 hp engine in it. that would sell great.

 

I have read about the mythical 12 second bonestock LS1 for years on the internet and have yet to be convinced of it's existence.

 

Yawn.

 

Z28 (auto) - 24,000
150 shot w/"saftey gear" - 1,500
Slicks/Rims - 500
Torque Converter - 1,000
Cam - 1,000

That'll get it in the low 11s, and my mod prices are conservative (high).

 

The SS runs 12.9's stock!

Look at the road and track. And look at the car and driver! for the 2000 and 2001 years...

you ignorant idiot. I dont care what you believe to be true, this is PUBLICLY avail info on the car. it did 12.9's on the SS in 2000.

:-P

11's for a few k more... NP

its called a 383 stroker kit, and some NOS.

you need to get a clue before just randomly writing your stupidity abck to peope who have owned these vehicles.

 

Knowing Chevy, the new Camero will be FWD have a 3.0 V-6 good for 200hp and be based on the Lumina.......

But they will call it the Camero...

Cameros and Mustangs kick much a$$ stock or modded, it's a freaking sports car, it's gonna rattle and be a lil less reliable.

Funny Camero is built in Canada and CL in Ohio....

 

Man, I am in a tough position here I am going to agree on some points, and disagree on others.

12.9s stock...prove it to me...and show me your road & track source cuase they surely didn't get the elusive 12.9. This is all bonestock mind you, add some DRs or slicks and all bets are off.

I do agree with the 11s for a few k more than stock (around (4-5k), but a 383 stroker and Naaawwzzz, isn't the way to do it, the 383 will put you over your budget.

 

Hey moron watch yoru fuckin mouth!
if you knew fuckin shit about the Lt-1 or the LS-1 you would know a 383 stoker kit installed and complete will cost you a shit load, the 350 would be a better engine if your only goal is a fuckin 11 sec pass.
ok so you really buy a 12.9 in the 1/4th? then why would a stock supra turbo hand an SS its ass in all racing? they only run 13.5 so FUCK OFF and learn your shit before you try to bring it to me, ive been doin this shit for years i started as a chevy/gm boy (built more bigblocks and small blocks than youll ever see!) so dont go tellin me this fuckin shit you know about a 383 stroker motor.
(PS as far as this public documentation they all fuckin lie like dogs, i again bring up the 99 mustang cobra! thats all i have to say about that shit! )


oh and PS, if you would like to watch me hand a stock SS camaro its ass let me know! i have friends in TX that had the SS! ive spent more time in dyno shops and at the track with the cumarrow as i fondly call it, car dont run 12.9 stock, and anyone who belives that is a true idiot!

now grow up and quit callin names ok lil boy!

thank you have a nice day!

 

now the question is they are sayin 28k for an 11 second car, do you buy into that BS? (list camaro z28 23700, ss package roughly 4k more) how can you get an 11 second car for 28 k when your starting at 27700 + Tax title and licensing?????

PS im glad to see someone with reason responding!

 

Just say no to MAG RACING!:P

 

Thanks everybody for proving my point. I was on my way home form work. So what if it is almost $24k stock I was off $500. And see you can easily get into 11's for $5k. In fact my friend was like 12.09 without a cold shot. So you should learn about what you are arguing before you run your mouth off.

Yes you are allowed to not like the car but failing to recognize that a Z28 will smoke your ass is just plain ignorant. It is like the most easily modded car out there (other than the mustang). And it will keep up in your "twisties" with very minimal work. I can hold 1g on the skidpad for about $750.

American cars may not have the best interiors in quality but their "outdated" technology is still kicking import ass. No arguing about that. Take your Supra and run against the new Vette ZO6 and we'll see how ya do.


:o

 

now the question is they are sayin 28k for an 11 second car, do you buy into that BS? (list camaro z28 23700, ss package roughly 4k more) how can you get an 11 second car for 28 k when your starting at 27700 + Tax title and licensing?????


$27,700??????

Chevy is also giving like $2,000 off from factory. And NO ONE pays MSRP on this car. come on $27,700 I got mine for $22,500 fully loaded. That gives me $5,500 to get into 11's Nooooooo Problem

 

The Z06 is respectable yes, the camaro is not! sorry!

but i have raced 2 of the new 400+ hp Z06's and they handle VERY well, but in a straight line, the supra's are much faster!

and the easily modified part, i can push a supra into the 11's for 1500 bucks!

Mike Louie, 11.85@124 1993TT auto, exhaust 600, intake 100, downpipe 300 misc electronics 500. 415.7 RWHP and 423LBFT of torque, add a torque converter and a few other misc parts and he is WELL into the 11's

so dont go tellin me what is easily modified, my supra 1994 TT 6 speed exhaust intakedown pipe, boost cut controller, boost controller, 418.3 rwhp 431 lb ft of torque. add nitrous, 511.6 rwhp, and 561 lb ft of torque,

sorry think i win on that statement!
oh and more proof

Gino Defarro 1994 supra tt 6speed, intake exhaust downpipe, vpc, chipped ecu, 457.9 rwhp dont remember the torque

Michelle Sharma
1998 supra tt auto intake exhaust downpipe, black box for second o2, boost ocntrooler boost cut controller 423.1 rwhp

shall i honestly continue, find me one and i say this again ONE domestic car that can turn those numbers for 1500-2500 dollars

 

u have an excuse for everything dont you? i bet your one of those guys who when he looses comes at you "well my car isnt runnin good right now, i left my AC on, "

ne way just cause chevy is soo desperate to get rid of these cars they have to knock that much off sticker! i think GM is proving my point as to how much of a POS the camaro is!

ne way this topic is getting boring to me! you keep rehashing the same bullshit and makin excuses, im entilted to my opinion, and im stickin too it, if chevy would get off their ass and build a real sports car i would be impressed (besides the Z06 and C5 corvette! )
the camaro is a muscle car, and a poor one at that!

 

comparing v8 with v6?
if supra had v8, 5.7Liter engine with the same hp/Liter ratio(106.7hp/liter) it would have approx. 608hp.. so dont even talk about pathetic american technology......

 

I like to think I'm pretty reasoned for a Shitstang Cobra driver.

I listed above how a Camaro can get into the 11s for 28k:

Z28 (auto) - 24,000
150 shot w/"saftey gear" - 1,500
Slicks/Rims - 500
Torque Converter - 1,000
Cam - 1,000

I erred before in stating low 11s, I meant to write high 11s. Mind you this isn't the "best" way to build an 11 second Camaro, nor is it the route I would take if I had one (I'd be more the heads/cam, smaller shot route, but that would be over you 28k limit). This car could go 11s, but like you mentioned, the tiny ass 7.5 pumpkin would give real soon with this setup.

Now as far as the 99 Cobra goes, yes there was a snafu with the power, it dyno'd at what would be 15-20 crank horsepower short (most were in the 255 rwhp range). There was a recall however and the excess flash in the intakes as extrune honed out and the exhaust opend up. The typical "post-fix" 99 Cobra dynos 275-280, more than satisfying the advertised 320. Not saying that it wasn't bad for Ford to drop the ball on that, but every most manufacturers have problems/recalls and then have to remedy them.

 

But how much is a Supra again??????? I think you are forgetting Base Cost in the whole equation. 8 years ago the Supra was apporx $50,000. I know they are easily modded but then if base cost has NO relevace then you are arguing a very stupid point. Crap for the $25,000 extra in cost you can make a Camaro run circles around ya. Then you will have 2 $50,000 cars.

 

agreed!
didnt realize you were a cobra driver when you made the yawn comment, was wondering what that was about!

so the supra has a higher starting price, but i think we can all agree its a far superior car in many ways

.95G skid pad
13.1 in the 1/4 @ 109 (PS i dont belive this particular number more like 13.5)
great brakes, and much more!


Excerpt from car and driver!

http://mkiv.christurner.net/publicat...3/6-cd3-93.jpg

 

Base cost is irelivant since neither car is being sold (well soon to be neither car! )
and a used supra costs less, is more reliable, and (in my opinion) better looking than a new camaro!

used supra 18-25k
new camaro 23-30k

sorry no comparo here!
oh and if you EVEN THINK about warranty ill shoot you!
dont forget were talkin about modded cars here!

 

Hahahaha.........

Ohhhh you can have your Supra. And you can have your opinion. I don't care. You are just one of those stuck up losers that think you are the sh#@. And everyone should bow to the coolest 8 year old car ever

hahahaahahaahahhahahahahah



And I like my air on and my spaire tire in. I am arguing pure facts about one of the longest liveing legends in the auto industry and if you can't even see them then I feel sorry for you.

 

bro the 1968 camaro is alegend the POS that is sold today is not!
im callin it how i see it!
and no i have plenty of respect for other cars just not american cars, if the big 3 would get off their asses and build an engine that could even come close to competing with the reliability of a supra, or even a fuckin honda, and make the kind of power these cars are making i would be the first fucker inline to buy one, i dont care what the name of the car is. but the big 3 are LAZY resting on their lawrels and waiting for someone to out do them to such a massive extent that they have to completely rethink everything they do. toyota and honda both have pulled over 100 hp per liter out of their cars i cant think of ONE big 3 that has done the same can you?


PS your camaro of today shares as much with the origional camaro's as my car does with the toyota 2000GT so i guess my car is just as old! and has a name that people know as well as camaro. go to any dynoshop where a supra has been and ask who has the dyno record, go to any track and ask around most educated V8 guys respect the supra. they may not like it but they respect it

 

Ahh the whole line is a legend. In 30 years the 2002 SS will be a legend too. If the Supra was soooooooooooo perfect why isn't it being made anymore? Why did NO ONE in this counrty buy them? Fact is American cars don't have to get 100 HP /per liter they use V8's. If American companies lowered the weight of the cars to where foreign one were, it would be nuts. A ZO6 is like 3300lbs I think. That is why they are slow. That is the big 3's only problem in my eyes.....weight.