i have to say you are an idiot, did you look at the post i made that had all the specs for the supra? u say weight the supra's curb weight is almost 3500 lbs, without the sport roof,

not a big weight advantage
again go do some research and come back
http://mkiv.christurner.net/publicat...3/6-cd3-93.jpg
incase you missed it!
and if you look your wonderfully powerful, amazing pos car acctually has a weight advantage, 3433 compared to 3480

and the supra is still in production in the countries that still buy sports cars. why is your pos camaro being discontinued cause there is little market for the sporty cars, its all about the SUV's you have no room to talk, the supra is still in production somewhere in the world, the camaro IS NOT

 

all this fighting over american cars?! jeez. how 'bout this, i'll get a $10,000 suzuki gsx-r1000 and you go and buy your camero ss for $2X,XXX and i'll smoke your ass. bikes handle much better than any car out there. and they're much faster and cheaper. ha, i win the arguement.

 

Any ever notice how a lot of times convos with Supra drivers go down this way:

OtherCarDriver: I run 12.5@111, how about you?
SupraDriver: 440.5 rwhp

 

dude that is sooooooooooo funny!
u sound like my fuckin dad!
LOVE IT!
PS i think a 750, or 600 could do the job too!

 

what you tryin to say were dyno qweens?
nah i posted times too!
just not mine, i couldnt get my shit off the line to save my life and i freely admit it! 12.7 @ 129 MPH
with a 3.28 60'

 

Take an F1 car's times around any track you want, then take a GP 500 or whatever bike you want around and tell me the splits.

Let me know.

 

Trap speed of 129 and only a 12.7...you should be in the 11's easy.

 

Wrong and wrong. 3100 pounds and they are not slow. I know personally of a bonestock 11.9@119 with an '02 Z06.

 

Please tell me that's a typo. I could run 1 3.28 60', and I'm no specimen either.

 

ne way im outa here, i appreciate the conversation allthough someone was obviously unprepared!

im gona go home, and getme some rest, get my motor prepped, and i promise to go eat a cumarrow or two this weekend ok?

just kiddin guys, i didnt mean to sound so cocky and shit but i dont like it when people who dont know anything about the supra, or their own car for that matter try to tell me what i do and dont know. u could get me this rattled with just about any car, but especially the supra! i love my cars the acura is very impressive for what it is, and my supra is beyond that. i respect any one who is willing to go out and have fun. thats what its all about!

PS i had a 68 camaro Rs convertable, and a 94SS (for 2 weeks! ) LOL
so i know a lil about the camaro

 

I wasn't talking about the Supra's weight IDIOT. Haha I was talking about american cars in general like YOU BROUGHT UP. God you can't even stay on one argument at a time. Give up some pride.

I don't even own an american car right now so I am not being defensive about it I am just saying that the fastest car in the class is the Z28 hands down. Your precious Supra is in the next category of cars anyhow. And as someone quoted above somewhere.....13.5 1/4 mile for a Supra TT isn't all that fast. And who wants to buy a car with 8 year old technology for $22k? That is no luxury.

 

Pull_t I wasn't saying the Z06 was slow I was saying that is why American cars are too slow compared to lighter imports. The ZO6 is crazy fast.

 

$50 shipped!

 

No "Let me know"? tsk, tsk...

 

Camaros have always been over priced, and thier resale value has always sucked..........MUSTANGS are way better.

 

OK dumbasss, grow up a bit and pull your mouth out of the gutter.

I've personally built 4, I do all of the work myself. back in the day you did have to machine the block for 383. however you do not anymore.

get with the times idiot.

Sorry you have to swear to prove your point.... :-P

grow up a tad.

hey whats this....

a $1800 383 stoker kit! HOLY COW BATMAN!

http://www.strokerkits.com/383.htm

Ohh wow look at that! I guess i need to know what pastiguage is now! to finish that install... :-P and maybe a ridge reamer, and a ring compressor. ohh those are expensive.. LOL and mabye I should just run over to the machine shop and have them press the pistons in...

WAIT! where only at $1800 we have 5k more to spend!! woooo hooo

lets add some dart2 heads!!!!! and lets PORT AND POLISH THEM!
with some how about 2.02 1.60 valves!!
$2000 said and done.

and lets ont forget some headers and full back exhaust we'll just
assume $1000 for them... :-P

huh, now we have a full 383 stroker (granted we installed the crank, rods, pistons) for an extra $5k

grow up, and realize not all of us are not just rambling dude.


Granted a stroker motor use to cost 10k+ they started making the kits 3 years ago. mabye you should have stayed with chevy, and you would have known this.

obviously im leaving out all the nickle and dime parts but its still less than 6k man (gasket set... valley pan... but chevy stuff is cheap, mabye a windage tray?) moroso oil pump.

I have owned a few camaros, I have also built a few 383 strokers. I know what it costs. And I know what they run.

Sorry you are ignorant of the 12.9 claims... but they ran them. mabye they had slicks on? which would definetly make the .5 second of a difference

And the only thing thats going to compare to the 1/4 mile speed of the TA and the Camaro is a GRAND NATIONAL for the $$ ... end of story, and its not a sports car.

 

Because the american market doesn't accept v6 as a legitamite engine. They want the big engine, big mac, big tits, big cars etc., etc., Supra, lancer, wrx, skyline are HUGE hits in the overseas market which are small displacement high output engines.

 

Pull_T,
The new Z06 is a badass machine. GM FINALLY got it right. For 50k i'd still go with an M3 or S4 but only because of the creak/rattle issues with domestics but the performance is about equal.

 

mabye if you didnt swear so much. And you really knew what some of this stuff costs. Instead of thinking you just knew everything about everything. Thinsg change, parts get cheaper, ktis get made. CHEVY is the cheapest $ to HP your going find.

If you do a search on google you can find MANY 383 stoker kits for even < the $1800 I posted. I suggest you take another look at what your talking about.

and the 12.9's was with slicks on.... But i'd guess you'd know that slicks drop a good .5 to .7 from the 1/4 mile time. Depending on the suspension setup, and if they have frame ties/traction bars...

Anyhoo I love supras, but that wasn't what were were discussing.

And not very many people are going to know what a 383 stoker is unless they have experience with one. I was pushing 425-450 hp from one with just 9.8:1 pistons and a mild cam, with a 750 double pumper.


ohh ya

http://www.enginefactory.com/stroker.htm

whats that, a complete 383 for $5k! LMAO

adios....

 

Nicely said! The stroker is not the only way to go though. Chevy has such a versatile setup that you can do so many differnt things. My buddy didn't go that route but was still putting I think about 425-450 to the pavement and running 11's on not even slicks, only drag radials I think. He went more the supercharger, computer, gear, torque coverter route and spent about $6k. So as we can now see by two distinct methods, a Crappy, Rattly, American dud as you would put it could hit 11's for $5k. Leaving a brutal machine for less than the cost of a CLS.

I like the Supra as well. I agree that this argument went off on the wrong angle b/c of a cetain someone who is showing off, but facts are facts.

Buh bye

Oh and whoever mentioned the Grand National GOOD CALL. Very good call. There is a V6 for ya. GNX Ran 12's stock but Buick was too modest to release the info and that was a 1987 car!!!!

 

u know i decided that this isnt worth my time.
i didnt bring the supra into it if you go back and read so dont go blamin this on me
all i said was i was glad to see the camaro go

 

Oh whah whah whah.......give me $28K and you got a deal!!!

 

BTW, the Supra is an inline 6. Also, run a boost ratio of 1.75 on a 405 HP Z06 and you now have 708 HP V8. Remember that boost is effectively increasing displacement.

With this is taken into consideration the TT Supra comes in at about 5.6 Liters effective displacment.

 

Can someone please explain what technology is old and which is new?? People here like spouting off about this with no relevance to something true.

Turbos are nothing new, been used for many years to increase power. There were a few potent domestic turbos in the '80s. DOHC (or OHC in any form) is not new. The first production DOHC engine was made in 1912. Wow, high-tech!!!

So what technology is everyone talking about??

 

Who cares about "how big the engine is"

I'm not sure if anyone has checked, but I'm pretty sure my 99 Camaro SS got better gas mileage than a 94 Supra TT. I have also dragged one at Sacramento Raceway and I got a 13.4 bone stock against his 13.7.

I could corner like nothing else in that Camaro. I could easily take a 90 degree turn at 70+ mph and the cars Goodyears would stick to the ground.

Also, I never had a single problem with the car. Not a rattle, not a leak, AND DEFINITELY not a TRANNY FAILURE.

Anyways, the LS1 and LS6 aluminum engines are much better than there predecessor. Who cares if they are V-8? Engine power = engine power and the gas mileage was great.

-Ash

 

I have a '99 T/A M6. Just about evry heads and cam package being produced these days is making enough power to run 11's. Solid roller H/C cars are running 11.1s @12x for about 5K. These cars will run 12.9x all day well driven off the show room floor (Ask Evan Smith). And yes they have a solid rear axle that is prone to break....IRS is not made for the quarter and this car is not made for the twisties, it squeeks and rattles and the interior quality is not the greatest. But the statements previous in this post are true...You can pick up a stripper Z for $21 with rebates throw in 5K for H/C package, 2K for a new 12 bolt rear, $500 for a good clutch and run LOWWWW 11's in a reliable car. What more can you ask for under 30K . Dont get me wrong the supra can be made one of the fastest cars on the road fairly easily. But you would have to spend 30K X 2 (If they were still sold).

The car is being killed because of slumping sales AND because it will not meet upcoming crash test standards. This body style/technology dates back to 1993. If you ask me there is no other that can match the bang for the buck. Basicaly for 30K you get a great looking (I love the Ram Air T/A) car that is unmatched in a straight line for under $40K any way you slice it. They will be sorely missed and the Camaro replacement will sell like hotfire when it resurfaces in '05 (there is a marketing ploy behind evrything).

-Nick
'99T/A M6
305RWHP & 318 RWTQ with lid and exhaust

 

94SupraTT questions? comments?

 

Just because Smith ran that one day doesn't mean they "run 12.9 all day". That SS was powershifter to within an inch of it's life. He did run the 12.96, though, can't dispute that.

And wasn't that 12.9 he ran at The Maryland Ski Jump (aka Cecil)?



I agree wholeheartedly about your other points though...

 

not really this post has gotten to opinionated! LOL
acctually my problem is i never brought the supra into it, and you guys attack it, just cause i own one,

ill say that if the camaro was sooo fast and easy to hit 11's why do i see most of them runnin 14's?

honestly i dont care what people think of my supra, i love it, and have had more cars and different kind of cars than just about anyone on this board (drive ALOT for a living get a new car every 3 -4 months) and have found nothing that was as impressive as the 1993.5-1998 toyota supra turbo, IN ANY PRICE RANGE.

if you guys love your camaro's and fbody's so much why didnt you go buy them and keep them on the road instead of buyin a CL-s?

 

hate it when your wong don't you.

 

Because NOT everyone has to modify their cars. chit, I have 15 computers at my house 14 of which run a different varient of Unix should you do that too?

Some of us like to keep things stock and just drive. I don't have any work done to my CLS.

I think some people call them hobbys/interests.

 

damn you got my number dont you siggy?
sorry bro i could argue this all day long, but what is the point, they are opinionated in their direction and i am in mine.
im not gona change their mind about the supra, and they sure as hell arent gona change mine about the camaro. so whats the point?

we could run around in circles for weeks, each of us has our points and that is that. no reason to continue.

There is a difference between backing down cause your wrong and backing down cause your the bigger man, and see the conversation is going no where fast

 

Because NOT everyone has to modify their cars. chit, I have 15 computers at my house 14 of which run a different varient of Unix should you do that too?

Some of us like to keep things stock and just drive. I don't have any work done to my CLS.

I think some people call them hobbys/interests. I just drive me car... I don't have any motivation to modify it.

 

Ummm can't you read.......only reason I did get rid of mine was because of snow and I am not rich enough to have an SUV and a Z28.

Oh by the way most run 14's because.....let's see......they are STOCK STILL. A lot of people jsut love the bang for the buck and that is it. No interest in building an 11 second car. Just want a fast out of the box car.

AHHHHHHH HAAAAAAAAAAAA Wow you are a smart one.

 

And there are NO opinions here it is a fact that the Z28/firebird are the Fastest New car on the road for the money. Fact Fact Fact no opinion. That is the argument and you can't admit it.

 

fastes new car on the road, ok, so the Z06 isnt faster? the ford Lightning isnt faster? the new cobra isnt faster, andnot one exotic is faster?

sorry u are too opinionated, u dont know how to seperate opinion from fact aparently

 

LOL

Excuse me? opinionated!!! THESE ARE FACTS!!!!


no, I was proving your statments to be WRONG. Which they are.

Now your just trying to cop out.

As I said 11's for a few K more.

then you told me a 383 would cost a ton more! AND YOU WERE WRONG.

why don't you just admit that?

Whats not a fact abou the 5k NEW ENGINE! it would cost a ton less to do it yourself. With the current engine in the Camaro. As the heads and block are a good chunk of the 5k.

 

cause i dont buy it, i dont buy into the BS that you can build an 11 second reliable daily driven camaro including everythin you need to be legal at the track for 30. i cant prove you wrong and you cant prove you right, you dont have 30 k to spend and i sure as hell wouldnt put 30k into anything built by the big 3 other than a z06
its that simple

and why is it the supra guys get all the rap for bein arrogant assholes, when
a. i didnt even MENTION supra till some one else did
b. you guys are the confrontational ones
c. you guys dont know when to quit?

PS just to really piss you guys off i can get a civic hatch in the 10's and out handle the camaro for 30k and still have plenty of cash left over for ricer parts!

 

Danm you are ignorant!! I just said Fastest new car on the raod for the MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!

Just Admit it.

ZO6 = $50K
Lightning = approx $40K
Z28 = $22k

EXOTIC = $$$$$$$$$$


So again these are Facts. You are not backing down to be the bigger man you are backing down because you are the stupid man.

 

LOL
now you are talking about building a daily driver!!! can you just NOT ADMIT when you are wrong?

and a 383 will last 50-70k miles easy. for dependabilty, but this just also depends on what rings you put on the piston... anyway.. that wasnt in the original argument, STOP ADDING THINGS. We were discussing $$$ to HP, and 1/4mile times.

And when you put more than 400hp in any car you start to wonder if its a daily driver in any car. Especially if you live in the north west. With the snow.

The supra! I'm not arguing about that! I love those cars, and won't get into that.

Im disputing your statement that a Camaro cant be put in the 11's for a few thousand more. Which it can, EASY!

Then you told me a 383 was WAY! over budget! and you were wrong. And told me I knew nothing about 383 stokers. Which man, you shouldnt just go assuming things like that? How do you know I never worked at a speed/machine shop? Blind luck will occasionally work, but I don't BS things.