Next Reasonable Bolt-On After I/H/E/P Staying N/A
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Next Reasonable Bolt-On After I/H/E/P Staying N/A
Currently on my '01 CL-S I have an intake, Comptech headers, exhaust, and UR underdrive crank pulley. Pulls a bit harder than stock which makes me feel like my money was well spent. But when going for the next little bit of power without resorting to a 4-5K supercharger, what makes the most sense?
I have read about good 1/4 mile gains from the Innovative motor mounts, would this be good? Looking for suggestions here guys, trying to get into the 13.7-13.9 range. I know it's tough with the slushbox.
I have read about good 1/4 mile gains from the Innovative motor mounts, would this be good? Looking for suggestions here guys, trying to get into the 13.7-13.9 range. I know it's tough with the slushbox.
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cooling mods, not so much for NA motors, its great for forced induction but its only going to help when the car gets hot enough where the ECU pulls timing based on water temp, which isn't much of a problem. Im running just fine with out it and on the J30 it made teh car more sluggish overall.
Get it tuned you'll get some nice gains but first...
Get some of those plenums chambers, they add volume to your intake manifold and will help out a bunch especially after a tune.
You can also think about getting a lightweight flywheel. Most feel more comfortable ditching the UR crank pulley as soon as they do because few have had dampening problems taking out their pressure plates. So ideally you want ot have a decent aftermarket clutch kit.
6spdnaviracer on v 6 p is running a Comptech flywheel and UR crank pulley with a Spec clutch kit on his J30A4 although I never really liked Specs cheap products but it seems to be working for the guy, ive seen him trap at 109 with a 85 shot of NOS.
Adding my thoughts about the flywheel, it makes the clutch feel better and the car litterlaly accelrates much quicker, its amazing what this mod can do in practice while theoretically on a dyno gains will be small.
So to recap:
-plenum chamber by P2R
-flywheel
-port/polish (upper and lower intake manifold)
-bored TB (King Motorsports)
-possibly a higher flowing cat
-tune car with Apexi NEO or something along the those lines
Get it tuned you'll get some nice gains but first...
Get some of those plenums chambers, they add volume to your intake manifold and will help out a bunch especially after a tune.
You can also think about getting a lightweight flywheel. Most feel more comfortable ditching the UR crank pulley as soon as they do because few have had dampening problems taking out their pressure plates. So ideally you want ot have a decent aftermarket clutch kit.
6spdnaviracer on v 6 p is running a Comptech flywheel and UR crank pulley with a Spec clutch kit on his J30A4 although I never really liked Specs cheap products but it seems to be working for the guy, ive seen him trap at 109 with a 85 shot of NOS.
Adding my thoughts about the flywheel, it makes the clutch feel better and the car litterlaly accelrates much quicker, its amazing what this mod can do in practice while theoretically on a dyno gains will be small.
So to recap:
-plenum chamber by P2R
-flywheel
-port/polish (upper and lower intake manifold)
-bored TB (King Motorsports)
-possibly a higher flowing cat
-tune car with Apexi NEO or something along the those lines
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Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
cooling mods, not so much for NA motors, its great for forced induction but its only going to help when the car gets hot enough where the ECU pulls timing based on water temp, which isn't much of a problem. Im running just fine with out it and on the J30 it made teh car more sluggish overall.
Get it tuned you'll get some nice gains but first...
Get some of those plenums chambers, they add volume to your intake manifold and will help out a bunch especially after a tune.
You can also think about getting a lightweight flywheel. Most feel more comfortable ditching the UR crank pulley as soon as they do because few have had dampening problems taking out their pressure plates. So ideally you want ot have a decent aftermarket clutch kit.
6spdnaviracer on v 6 p is running a Comptech flywheel and UR crank pulley with a Spec clutch kit on his J30A4 although I never really liked Specs cheap products but it seems to be working for the guy, ive seen him trap at 109 with a 85 shot of NOS.
Adding my thoughts about the flywheel, it makes the clutch feel better and the car litterlaly accelrates much quicker, its amazing what this mod can do in practice while theoretically on a dyno gains will be small.
So to recap:
-plenum chamber by P2R
-flywheel
-port/polish (upper and lower intake manifold)
-bored TB (King Motorsports)
-possibly a higher flowing cat
-tune car with Apexi NEO or something along the those lines
Get it tuned you'll get some nice gains but first...
Get some of those plenums chambers, they add volume to your intake manifold and will help out a bunch especially after a tune.
You can also think about getting a lightweight flywheel. Most feel more comfortable ditching the UR crank pulley as soon as they do because few have had dampening problems taking out their pressure plates. So ideally you want ot have a decent aftermarket clutch kit.
6spdnaviracer on v 6 p is running a Comptech flywheel and UR crank pulley with a Spec clutch kit on his J30A4 although I never really liked Specs cheap products but it seems to be working for the guy, ive seen him trap at 109 with a 85 shot of NOS.
Adding my thoughts about the flywheel, it makes the clutch feel better and the car litterlaly accelrates much quicker, its amazing what this mod can do in practice while theoretically on a dyno gains will be small.
So to recap:
-plenum chamber by P2R
-flywheel
-port/polish (upper and lower intake manifold)
-bored TB (King Motorsports)
-possibly a higher flowing cat
-tune car with Apexi NEO or something along the those lines
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Originally Posted by ChucksCL-S
Lightweight wheels.....
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I'm thinking about picking up an Apexi Neo and getting it tuned, but I can't find any info on how to do it or how much it costs, etc. And are the Innovative motor mounts a worthwhile mod? I've read about .2 seconds in the 1/4 mile but I don't know if that's an exaggeration or not?
I'm just looking for the most bang for the buck.
And would the OEM clutch work with the UR lightweight flywheel?
I'm just looking for the most bang for the buck.
And would the OEM clutch work with the UR lightweight flywheel?
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Originally Posted by J32.4.Life
I'm thinking about picking up an Apexi Neo and getting it tuned, but I can't find any info on how to do it or how much it costs, etc. And are the Innovative motor mounts a worthwhile mod? I've read about .2 seconds in the 1/4 mile but I don't know if that's an exaggeration or not?
I'm just looking for the most bang for the buck.
And would the OEM clutch work with the UR lightweight flywheel?
I'm just looking for the most bang for the buck.
And would the OEM clutch work with the UR lightweight flywheel?
All you need to do is hardwire it into wire harness, or get a plug and play harness and pay something along the lines of 100-150 to get it tuned somewhere professionally.
Lightweight wheels help but dont forget about weight reduction in general.
I think you should call UR first and get them to explain the flywheel first get their assurance that it will work in general since a member here had bad experience with them and their flywheel. The disc probably would work but you'll probably want a sprung clutch since the stock one is solid hub disc. You want some sort of dampening in the clutch when removing the flywheel dampening by getting the single mass unit from a company like UR or OCmptech lets say.
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I'm thinking that the Apexi Neo and the tuning will probably be the next bolt-on. I feel like Innovative motor mounts are somewhat pointless to get considering the fact that traction honestly isn't that much of an issue.
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Originally Posted by gc86
No AFC tuning should be last, get all the P2R products first.... trust me paying for tuning twice is a waste of money.
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But from what I have read the P2R Plenums had minimal gains and for a $600 mod, I would expect something at least close to the gains I got from the Comptech headers.
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i agree $600 is a lot for those p2r plenums... its not like you HAVE to have all the mods. cooling mods won't do much or anything at all for n/a, but its good to have them just to keep the engine cooler... for longevity at least... but you have any suspension mods? sway bars are great btw
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Originally Posted by LIPPSTUH
i agree $600 is a lot for those p2r plenums... its not like you HAVE to have all the mods. cooling mods won't do much or anything at all for n/a, but its good to have them just to keep the engine cooler... for longevity at least... but you have any suspension mods? sway bars are great btw
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Originally Posted by J32.4.Life
Currently on my '01 CL-S I have an intake, Comptech headers, exhaust, and UR underdrive crank pulley. Pulls a bit harder than stock which makes me feel like my money was well spent. But when going for the next little bit of power without resorting to a 4-5K supercharger, what makes the most sense?
I have read about good 1/4 mile gains from the Innovative motor mounts, would this be good? Looking for suggestions here guys, trying to get into the 13.7-13.9 range. I know it's tough with the slushbox.
I have read about good 1/4 mile gains from the Innovative motor mounts, would this be good? Looking for suggestions here guys, trying to get into the 13.7-13.9 range. I know it's tough with the slushbox.
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Originally Posted by SIRSIG
get you're car towed by a turbo diesel truck on the dragstrip, for sure that's mid to high 13's ... that's like 40 bucks
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What then, 13sec with a 3500 pound weight behind yeah right......................
Those trucks run 12 - 13 sec but with a 3500 add on weight
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i've seen vids of them running 11s
re:motor mounts they will definitely help w/throttle response and your short times but .2 seconds?
hopefully i'll get mine tomorrow but for sure by later this week so i'll let you guys know what my impressions are.
re:motor mounts they will definitely help w/throttle response and your short times but .2 seconds?
hopefully i'll get mine tomorrow but for sure by later this week so i'll let you guys know what my impressions are.
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Originally Posted by Mike
i've seen vids of them running 11s
re:motor mounts they will definitely help w/throttle response and your short times but .2 seconds?
hopefully i'll get mine tomorrow but for sure by later this week so i'll let you guys know what my impressions are.
re:motor mounts they will definitely help w/throttle response and your short times but .2 seconds?
hopefully i'll get mine tomorrow but for sure by later this week so i'll let you guys know what my impressions are.
edit: I'm in the same boat as the OP. I have a few mods and want to stay NA and still get a little more go. How about a high flow cat such as the Random Technology one?
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Originally Posted by Sun Diego CL-S
Please do. Where are you buying them or getting them installed? PM please.
edit: I'm in the same boat as the OP. I have a few mods and want to stay NA and still get a little more go. How about a high flow cat such as the Random Technology one?
edit: I'm in the same boat as the OP. I have a few mods and want to stay NA and still get a little more go. How about a high flow cat such as the Random Technology one?
Flywheel mod will definitely help Thing takes off ~20lbs of the crank, if you loved what the crank pulley did with ~7lbs removed imagine what the flywheel can do
exhaust cut-out? My car felt faster up top without a doubt with no catback attached (also had the RT cat on at the time).
Greddy Emanage Ultimate, tune using this but get the iginition tables to work and remove teh rev limiter and tune the car to rev up to ~7500rpm instead, possibly NA power gains, definite FI power gains with this.
Other then the other formentioned stuff just get things that will put the power to the ground better:
-innovative engine mounts (one of the first people to have them great product, contact Excelerate about it)
-Lightweight wheels with sticky tires, possibly drag radials. This can get you ~2.0 60' time and this will help trmendously with lowering your ET time.
-IM spacers keeps things cooler and deters the IAT sensor from getting to hot and having the ECU pull timing killing some of your power.
-ceramic coat the headers, cool mod, assists in keeping the heat in the headers and thus in the exhaust gases so they maintain their velocity as a result of not cooling down as much. helps exhaust scavenging and as a result can improve intake breathing.
-TLS cams? Not a perfect fit but supposedly you can use some shims and cam gears and make them fit, this is only a possibilty haven't seen anyone do this, and still need to review to info on it.
And... the cheapest mod for power... NOS 75-85 shot would do it.
Although I thinka nice flywheel/clutch kit setup would put you on the right track, thats what I want to do too.
Originally Posted by Mike
not necessarily. allmotor ran 13.5 @ 102.x @ the track and would probably have run high 13s in street trim.
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Some great posts guys. From what I can see I'm thinking my next 2 mods for the Acura are going to be Eibach sway bars because it still handles like a boat even with Tein coilovers, and in addition to that I'm also going to throw on the Innovative motor mounts I think. I just want to make sure it's NOTICEABLE throttle response gains and better traction, etc.
After that there really isn't all that much else I'm interested in doing, aside from MAYBE a SC down the road but that's honestly not something I think I would ever sink my money into.
After that there really isn't all that much else I'm interested in doing, aside from MAYBE a SC down the road but that's honestly not something I think I would ever sink my money into.
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If live live in hot weather IE South FL, cooling mods are a must have. The mounts are not in yet. No one knows for sure what kind of ride, feel, & exactly how they will help traction. With that said I have a set of 3 on order.
New mounts are a must anyway for this car since the stock ones are really crap & they break.
New mounts are a must anyway for this car since the stock ones are really crap & they break.
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sounds like josh is trying to make some money.....lol
but for real those are all great mods, ive orderd the p2r power pak and rt cat, they should be in soon . the plenums will come soon. i probably will not mess with the nitrous though
but for real those are all great mods, ive orderd the p2r power pak and rt cat, they should be in soon . the plenums will come soon. i probably will not mess with the nitrous though
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Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
The RT cat helped me but I feel that the inlet and outlet on the cat can be increased to match the piping on the j-pipe and b-pipe, unlike the stock cat and the RT cat where it stays 2", however it did help me when I had it on my car.
Flywheel mod will definitely help Thing takes off ~20lbs of the crank, if you loved what the crank pulley did with ~7lbs removed imagine what the flywheel can do
exhaust cut-out? My car felt faster up top without a doubt with no catback attached (also had the RT cat on at the time).
Greddy Emanage Ultimate, tune using this but get the iginition tables to work and remove teh rev limiter and tune the car to rev up to ~7500rpm instead, possibly NA power gains, definite FI power gains with this.
Other then the other formentioned stuff just get things that will put the power to the ground better:
-innovative engine mounts (one of the first people to have them great product, contact Excelerate about it)
-Lightweight wheels with sticky tires, possibly drag radials. This can get you ~2.0 60' time and this will help trmendously with lowering your ET time.
-IM spacers keeps things cooler and deters the IAT sensor from getting to hot and having the ECU pull timing killing some of your power.
-ceramic coat the headers, cool mod, assists in keeping the heat in the headers and thus in the exhaust gases so they maintain their velocity as a result of not cooling down as much. helps exhaust scavenging and as a result can improve intake breathing.
-TLS cams? Not a perfect fit but supposedly you can use some shims and cam gears and make them fit, this is only a possibilty haven't seen anyone do this, and still need to review to info on it.
And... the cheapest mod for power... NOS 75-85 shot would do it.
Although I thinka nice flywheel/clutch kit setup would put you on the right track, thats what I want to do too.
yeah, I too managed to get a 102.X trap but my ET was only a 14.3 with my crappy launch and tires. 2.4-2.6 60' time owns me haha.
Flywheel mod will definitely help Thing takes off ~20lbs of the crank, if you loved what the crank pulley did with ~7lbs removed imagine what the flywheel can do
exhaust cut-out? My car felt faster up top without a doubt with no catback attached (also had the RT cat on at the time).
Greddy Emanage Ultimate, tune using this but get the iginition tables to work and remove teh rev limiter and tune the car to rev up to ~7500rpm instead, possibly NA power gains, definite FI power gains with this.
Other then the other formentioned stuff just get things that will put the power to the ground better:
-innovative engine mounts (one of the first people to have them great product, contact Excelerate about it)
-Lightweight wheels with sticky tires, possibly drag radials. This can get you ~2.0 60' time and this will help trmendously with lowering your ET time.
-IM spacers keeps things cooler and deters the IAT sensor from getting to hot and having the ECU pull timing killing some of your power.
-ceramic coat the headers, cool mod, assists in keeping the heat in the headers and thus in the exhaust gases so they maintain their velocity as a result of not cooling down as much. helps exhaust scavenging and as a result can improve intake breathing.
-TLS cams? Not a perfect fit but supposedly you can use some shims and cam gears and make them fit, this is only a possibilty haven't seen anyone do this, and still need to review to info on it.
And... the cheapest mod for power... NOS 75-85 shot would do it.
Although I thinka nice flywheel/clutch kit setup would put you on the right track, thats what I want to do too.
yeah, I too managed to get a 102.X trap but my ET was only a 14.3 with my crappy launch and tires. 2.4-2.6 60' time owns me haha.
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This was a while ago, but I think custom test pipe wih 02 simulator might be worth a shot. Cheap mechanical o2 sim is only 15 bucks online and it worked great on all my cars. i haven't tried on cls yet, but I'll post soon.
custom test pipe can't be more than like 120 bucks or so i think.
just a thought.
-soul
custom test pipe can't be more than like 120 bucks or so i think.
just a thought.
-soul
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That has been brought up before & all it does is increase noise.
I'm pretty sure that test pipes flows better than rt cat.
I'm just curious. Since I gained a lot of HP on my other cars going catless. I understand that our cat already flows well, but if the RT cat helped out, won't the test pipe to better?
And by the way how much of a noise increase are we talking about? Is it significant?
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