assclown

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shit sucks man. sorry you have to go through all that.

Nersh7

Needs a new transmission.
So I'm updating this just to say if someone has a 6 speed tranny they want to sell me I NEED it.

Send me a PM or you can email me at Nersh7@gmail.com

Jacobpockros

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RonJon has one for sale

Rajca

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Ouch....

Pm ron jon. He was selling one in the bm for 1500 I believe

StreetKA

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Why would you need new tranny? I thought our 6 speed is bulletproof if something is wrong you can rebuild it change synchros. What the hell happened

Nersh7

No fucking clue, I'm going to get the dealer to do it so if they can find any evidence that the original shop who did the clutch fucked up I can take them to court.

brian6speed

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Sorry to hear. Almost makes me think alot of these shops have business strategies to purposely do bad work so that the customer has to pay two times or more and they get more work/money out of it in the long run. Then if you take them to court they just declare bankruptcy so they dont have to pay.

Nersh7

I honestly have no clue as to how this is going to play out, I may end up having to renew my student loan just to get my car running

thevikas87

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Sorry for your troubles man, goodluck getting all this worked out

Nersh7

A good lesson to find a good shop and not just go with whatever you find first.

Just spoke to a transmission god that my friend knows and he said that it sounds like when they put it back together that either they didn't put enough fluid back in or forgot to top it up or broke one of the axle seals and it was leaking fluid therefore running the tranny dry and basically welding it together. I'm already mentally prepared to pay the whole ordeal myself but if this is the situation what do you guys think the chances would be for sueing to cover the cost of a new tranny and labour to replace it? Maybe additional expenses as well like car rental or anything?

Let me know your opinions and ideas its all greatly appreciated.

Joe5.0

Holy shit man, that really sucks. I'd blow up on someone if that happened to me.

After you posted about the smoke I thought maybe they overfilled the trans, because the extra fluid can make its way to the clutch disk and cause issues.

I would def try to find a reputable attorney that deals with this kind of stuff. You'd be surprised what a well-written letter will get you. Also, if you have any sort of extra time a peaceful picket can really speed up ending a shitty situation.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me hesitant to take my car for its 105k service. It now has 140k miles on it.

Nersh7

UPDATE:
Good new.... ish so my original thoughts of the transmission being done have been confirmed. Finally found a shop that was capable of something and they have been incredibly helpful these past few days. After they took out the transmission they called me and said very bluntly that its fucked lol. The reason being is that there was NO FLUID IN IT!!! WTF really you think that transmission fluid isnt something you would easily forget... No sign of any leaking and it was so badly wrecked that even the housing cracked... So basically this new shop is helping me out by either getting the old shop to fix it at no cost or help by giving pointers for taking them to court.

Another thing I really liked about this new shop, they let me come back and take a look at the whole deal and take pictures while explaining to me what everything was and why it was that way. Pure amazingness on their part. So here are the pictures I took...















Oh and to answer another question that was asked earlier in this thread, no the flywheel was never refinished, the mechanic who showed me this was not impressed..

civicdrivr

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Im glad you are making some process. Did the other shop charge you for refinishing the flywheel?

Nersh7

No I don't think they did, but they did say that if it needed it they would do it and charge, which was fine by me

fsttyms1

Take them to court!

friesm2000

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no fluid deffinetly does not help

btw why is the tranny so filthy



personally machineing the flywheel is standard pratice, unless of course maybe it had been machined not too long ago (but then again why would you be going back in there though, so it be machined or replaced again)



then also the flywheel does not get that shiny that fast either, it takes time to get that mirror finish to it (just think of how long it takes brake rotors to even start to show that type of finish)
btw it even looks like they may not have even cleaned the flywheel before they put the new clutch back in either (those dark spots, are probably old greasy finger prints)

StreetKA

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This flywheel wasn't touched at all ! I know did my flywheel looked like when they did my clutch. That sucks man. I hope you wont have to take this case to court and that shop just will cover it without problem

StreetKA

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That dark spots aren't finger prints lol. They are heat spots.

Nersh7

^ ya dark spots were the heat burns.

I can't tell you why it is dirty exactly, my best guess would be something to do with the appearance of dirt on the roads that I drive on... just a guess though lol

As for suing, I'm giving them the chance to take responsibility first, if they don't then to court I go!

Nersh7

More news on this situation:

So after long debates, much frustration and multiple complaints filed with 3rd party organizations I finally got somewhere. They offered me 2 grand, this is based on a transmission they found in the states that was worth $2400 and that I'm getting the work done somewhere else. My thought is that if I just get a cheque from them I know I can find a good condition tranny for less than that which means more money to help out for labour.

I think that if I were to still try and sue I wouldn't get much more than this but am not really sure because I've never sued anyone.

What do you guys think I should do?

civicdrivr

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Take the settlement.

StreetKA

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I think tranny plus complete clutch and labor is more than that but as long as you are satisfied with that then good for you. Its better than going after them ad sueing the shop. I would takw it. Depends how much is that gonna cost you to get the tranny. I think 3g tl will be cheaper

Nersh7

^ for the tranny?

civicdrivr

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Is your LSD still in good shape? If it is, pull it out of the wrecked tranny, find a cheap Accord 6MT (usually sell for ~$800) and drop the LSD into it.

If not, expand your search to include 3G TLs as Street said.

The only reason I say take the $2000 is because if you sue them thats going to cost you money and take time. The $2000 now saves you the headache of going through the trouble of suing. But, if you can, try to get them to give you $2500, since you need a new tranny, clutch, flywheel and still need to pay labor to another shop.

Nersh7

I already settled on $2000 so that is the final number for me.

What year Accord? how much modification is required if I go that route or get a 3G TL tranny?

And this is the 6-speed, just as a reminder

friesm2000

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since you are already a 6-speed originally, kinda gotta stay with the CL-S tranny, for that crank sensor in the bell housing unless you want to convert to an automatic ECU along with richie's module (which takes away any savings that the TL might have saved you; roughly $1300 for a TL trans, and $1800 for the CL trans, then the module is like $500 plus anything else you need [ie:ecu])

civicdrivr

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I know its a 6MT, thats why I said swap the LSD over. 7th gen Accord tranny should be the same. Aim for the earlier models as I believe they will still bolt up with our block.

EDIT - I forgot about that damn crank sensor. I wonder if you can swap bell housings....

justnspace

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NErsh, hang in there.

friesm2000

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, indeed the earlier accord trannies will bolt up no issue, but here is another issue with swapping that LSD over, still gotta pay labor to remove then reinstall it in the tranny, so kinda pointless to try and save that money when you are still going to spend it




and bell housing should swap over also, but again you gotta pay labor in order to do that also

probably the easiest way to get that sensor mounted would be drill your own hole, then have somebody add aluminum/weld the area up, so the sensor is at the correct depth, but it would have to be very precise though, can't be too far or it does not pick up, or too close or else you hit the sensor and destroy it

civicdrivr

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How fucked are the internals?

civicdrivr

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His current tranny is apart and out of the car anyway. So labor wouldnt be too much. And swapping the LSD over can be done as well, many people that pick up AV6 trannies for swaps drop the CL LSD into it.

friesm2000

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still gotta pay to pull apart the new tranny, then put it back together correctly, and the thing about "many people"is that they are probably doing it THEMSELVES and not paying somebody else to do it, so still going to be cheaper more then likely in the long run just to get the correct tranny

civicdrivr

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The "many people" part was just a confirmation that it can be done, it had nothing to do with cost.

If you were to buy a tranny, you'd probably be inclinded to pull it apart anyway to replace synchros while it is still out of the car, that way you dont get any surprises when you go for that first drive. It also allows you to verify that the tranny you just bought isn't fucked on the inside without finding out the hard way.

The point Im getting at is yes, it costs money to take it apart, but if something is wrong with the new one you not only spent money on labor to have it installed, now you have to pay again to take it out and take it apart, then to put it back in.

Nersh7

I have no idea how bad the internals of my current one are, my guess would be fucked though.

If I can find the same tranny for a reasonable price I think I'll just do that. I don't have the skill to do a swap like that myself and I don't trust anyone well enough yet to do it for me.

civicdrivr

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The reason I asked how bad the internals are is you can get a new tranny case for $400 USD (MSRP, you can get it for about $300 online). But depending on the condition of the internals and the skill set of the tech doing the work, might be more trouble then its worth.

friesm2000

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not really, especially if bought from a reputable junkyard, normally you get some type of warranty with it (we've sent back 2 bad motors before, cause the cylinder leakdown tests showed they were bad (high leakage), and the junkyard even paid for shipping the motors back and fourth fully

as far as paying to pull it back out, that is when it might be worth letting them find the used tranny, then that way it is "on them" for buying/installing the bad tranny (not every shop will honor that though) you might pay a little more though, but save yourself from the possible headaches though

and personally if you find a low enough mileage tranny, you should not really need to be replacing synchros already (especially considering the CL does NOT have the issues with 3rd gear like the newer ones), if so the tranny has probably been beat on (basically look for a roughly equal/lower mileage tranny then the mileage currently on your car)

civicdrivr

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Finding bad synchros, or worse, is not the same as finding bad rings. You can do a leakdown test with the motor out of a car, but how do you test a transmission?

Nersh7

The only problem for me about warranty issues is that I'm in Canada and last time I checked there was nothing available in Canada and the shop that is doing all the work won't order anything out of the states.

Jacobpockros

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Might be helpful:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...069513353.html

Nersh7

Thanks, its a pretty average price for a transmission that I've seen.

There was one one car-part.com for 1050 in florida that I was going to pay for tomorrow but its gone now