The motor mount thread
10-01-2010, 01:18 AM
#161
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I love the vibrations 
On a serious note, Im probably in the minority here, but I have no problem with extra vibrations. If I want to put the power down and not go through mounts every year Ill gladly deal with a bit more "feeling".
On a serious note, Im probably in the minority here, but I have no problem with extra vibrations. If I want to put the power down and not go through mounts every year Ill gladly deal with a bit more "feeling".
10-01-2010, 10:24 AM
#163
Sigh . . . that's both funny and sad. I'm beginning to suspect that designing and fabricating a mount that'll address both the reliability and reasonable driveability is too much for smaller fabricators. Especially if they try and do this with little or no input from us.
Right now I'm fairly happy with the Ingal Stiffy, OEM rear and Innovative front (3rd gen with black bushings) and side mounts. I think with this set up the OEM rear will hold up as the motor movement is minimal so the there's a lot less stress on all the mounts.
The only question is for those that want no vibrations . . or very very minimal
can the Stiffy be set soft enough for them and still do the job.
Ruf
Right now I'm fairly happy with the Ingal Stiffy, OEM rear and Innovative front (3rd gen with black bushings) and side mounts. I think with this set up the OEM rear will hold up as the motor movement is minimal so the there's a lot less stress on all the mounts.
The only question is for those that want no vibrations . . or very very minimal
can the Stiffy be set soft enough for them and still do the job.
Ruf
10-01-2010, 02:50 PM
#164
Whats up with RDX owners?
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10-02-2010, 02:44 PM
#165
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Just because I'm 50 it doesn't mean there's any problems. 
10-02-2010, 02:58 PM
#166
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Someone defiantly dropped the ball on this; whoever the manufacturer is on these should be put in contact with us, I know there are a few engineers floating around the forum me being one of them. I am, and I'm sure others are willing to help with the design. . . but at this pace nothing is ever going to be accomplished.
Were you getting any vibrations with the Innovative front and side combined with the stock rear? (before you added the Ingalls)
Were you getting any vibrations with the Innovative front and side combined with the stock rear? (before you added the Ingalls)
I have the 2nd release/gen of the Innovative side mount, Innovative proto-type 3rd generation front mount with black bushings and OEM rear mount. The vibrations are no worse than many lowend 4 cyl and 6 cyl cars. With the Stiffy there's more vibrations and it's not too bad, however with the A/C on and in drive it's more than an old fart like me wants in a daily driver. That said, I would rather have a bit more vibration than have mounts busting all the time.
If you search on the older Motor Mount threads there's one with all kinds of details, pictures and even a video of the 'TL Vibration Beast' that had Innovative mounts all around.
Ruf
10-13-2010, 11:36 AM
#167
I need new mounts. Any updates on these?
10-13-2010, 12:28 PM
#168
10-13-2010, 02:04 PM
#169
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I had to pick up another OEM front mount to poly fill as I seem to keep destroying them 
10-18-2010, 10:13 AM
#172
So are the front and side innovative mounts fine, just not the rear? I am starting to think i should just buy innovative. Also how can i tell if it is the 2nd or 3rd version. I am about to give up on these ones.
Last edited by brian6speed; 10-18-2010 at 10:19 AM.
10-21-2010, 05:45 PM
#173
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PS: The problem isn't with Excelerate, it's with the fabricator.
Ruf
10-21-2010, 05:47 PM
#174
Ah . . . hate to tell you, for 2nd gens - other than the side mount - none of the Innovative mounts have held up. A few of them crapped out sooner than the OEM mounts. I hope yours hold up better than mine.
PS: The problem isn't with Excelerate, it's with the fabricator.
Ruf
PS: The problem isn't with Excelerate, it's with the fabricator.
Ruf
but does it really matter who it is with, all i really care is that we don't have decent mounts yet (the stiffy mount did help tremendously with engine movement, but still not enough after going manual though {i got it set on the stiffest setting)
Last edited by friesm2000; 10-21-2010 at 06:02 PM.
10-21-2010, 05:52 PM
#175
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Innovative doesn't have anything that's been proven to work by even one single member here (2nd gens). If you are okay with a poorly designed mount that results in frequent bushing failure (and unexceptable vibrations with the rear mount - mostly an AT issue), and still want to go with them . . . good luck.
Ruf
10-21-2010, 06:04 PM
#176
Lead Footed
FWIW, I spoke to the fabricator last week and they told me that they shouldn't have any problems getting through customs, which is what they claimed was their latest snaffu. On another note, they told me they used all the design input from me and others . . . so I'm really hoping something will show up the next week or so. But, seeing how we've been stood up before, don't hold your breath.
Also, since my transmission went out this week and it will likely be a couple of weeks or so before I get it fixed . . . we may need someone else to field test the mounts. PLEASE don't start volunteering yet . . . I'll talk to Excelerate about it if the mounts come in before I'm ready to do anything with them.
Stay tuned . . . hopefully we're getting somewhere . . besides a black hole.
Ruf
10-21-2010, 06:10 PM
#177
I Drive Like A Dick 8≈
Understand and am just as unhappy as anyone here. I've put in way more time than most anyone here and have spent more money than most anyone here, so I'm a bit more than unhappy or sad. That said, I just don't want miss information going out as Excelerate is as pissed with the fabricator as we are . . . he's spent time and money trying to get someone to make a product that'll work for us. He's still commited, but is strung out like we are.
FWIW, I spoke to the fabricator last week and they told me that they shouldn't have any problems getting through customs, which is what they claimed was their latest snaffu. On another note, they told me they used all the design input from me and others . . . so I'm really hoping something will show up the next week or so. But, seeing how we've been stood up before, don't hold your breath.
Also, since my transmission went out this week and it will likely be a couple of weeks or so before I get it fixed . . . we may need someone else to field test the mounts. PLEASE don't start volunteering yet . . . I'll talk to Excelerate about it if the mounts come in before I'm ready to do anything with them.
Stay tuned . . . hopefully we're getting somewhere . . besides a black hole.
Ruf
FWIW, I spoke to the fabricator last week and they told me that they shouldn't have any problems getting through customs, which is what they claimed was their latest snaffu. On another note, they told me they used all the design input from me and others . . . so I'm really hoping something will show up the next week or so. But, seeing how we've been stood up before, don't hold your breath.
Also, since my transmission went out this week and it will likely be a couple of weeks or so before I get it fixed . . . we may need someone else to field test the mounts. PLEASE don't start volunteering yet . . . I'll talk to Excelerate about it if the mounts come in before I'm ready to do anything with them.
Stay tuned . . . hopefully we're getting somewhere . . besides a black hole.
Ruf
But its realllllly tempting
10-21-2010, 11:50 PM
#179
Understand and am just as unhappy as anyone here. I've put in way more time than most anyone here and have spent more money than most anyone here, so I'm a bit more than unhappy or sad. That said, I just don't want miss information going out as Excelerate is as pissed with the fabricator as we are . . . he's spent time and money trying to get someone to make a product that'll work for us. He's still commited, but is strung out like we are.
FWIW, I spoke to the fabricator last week and they told me that they shouldn't have any problems getting through customs, which is what they claimed was their latest snaffu. On another note, they told me they used all the design input from me and others . . . so I'm really hoping something will show up the next week or so. But, seeing how we've been stood up before, don't hold your breath.
Also, since my transmission went out this week and it will likely be a couple of weeks or so before I get it fixed . . . we may need someone else to field test the mounts. PLEASE don't start volunteering yet . . . I'll talk to Excelerate about it if the mounts come in before I'm ready to do anything with them.
Stay tuned . . . hopefully we're getting somewhere . . besides a black hole.
Ruf
FWIW, I spoke to the fabricator last week and they told me that they shouldn't have any problems getting through customs, which is what they claimed was their latest snaffu. On another note, they told me they used all the design input from me and others . . . so I'm really hoping something will show up the next week or so. But, seeing how we've been stood up before, don't hold your breath.
Also, since my transmission went out this week and it will likely be a couple of weeks or so before I get it fixed . . . we may need someone else to field test the mounts. PLEASE don't start volunteering yet . . . I'll talk to Excelerate about it if the mounts come in before I'm ready to do anything with them.
Stay tuned . . . hopefully we're getting somewhere . . besides a black hole.
Ruf
, since my old tranny is torn apart (5th gear was overheat, and basically worn down to the backing plates on the clutch discs)
. especially when you want to eventually go larger then a 100 shot of 
10-22-2010, 11:25 AM
#180
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Ruf
10-22-2010, 08:09 PM
#181
I'm not planning on NOS at this time, but I was shooting for 13 sec 1/4 miles with an auto tranny, so I'm putting down some good power. I've been blowing OEM mounts regularly, so like you and others a performance mount is needed. I will say the Ingalls Stiffy seems to help a lot.
Ruf
Ruf
(i think a 200+ shot should be good)but yeah the stiffy helped, but still not enough though
10-23-2010, 08:55 AM
#182
Intermediate
I am all for this though not an egineer. Few months ago I filled my OEM mounts with polyurethane and effectively turned them to solid mounts with both the advantages and disadvantages, and I'm trying to find a way to get plush idle and planted pulls at the same time since that.
10-28-2010, 10:32 AM
#183
Getting through customs huh? Why not go with U.S. manufacturer at least for the prototypes? Now I see the reason for delay you've had to deal with Chinese b.s. These mounts are already down the toilet in my opinion but I hope you can prove me wrong.
10-28-2010, 12:17 PM
#184
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Yea, Im starting to have my doubts as well.
10-29-2010, 05:42 PM
#185
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10-31-2010, 12:11 PM
#186
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Im hoping my doubts aren't well founded and I really want an option for mounts. But over the course of this thread Ive really lost confidence that the fabricator has any interest in making these.
11-02-2010, 03:30 PM
#187
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Let's hope they ship, and more importantly that they WORK!
Ruf
11-02-2010, 05:38 PM
#188
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Fingers crosesed
11-02-2010, 05:47 PM
#192
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Oh c'mon, you know you miss it.
11-02-2010, 06:28 PM
#194
Whats up with RDX owners?
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He pisses everyone off. Ive finally had enough. He seems like he wants to be the center of attention, so I feel ignoring him will piss him off. A lot.
11-02-2010, 10:20 PM
#196
Ah . . . hate to tell you, for 2nd gens - other than the side mount - none of the Innovative mounts have held up. A few of them crapped out sooner than the OEM mounts. I hope yours hold up better than mine.
PS: The problem isn't with Excelerate, it's with the fabricator.
Ruf
PS: The problem isn't with Excelerate, it's with the fabricator.
Ruf
when they first came out they were vertical mount like these ones
the revised mounts sit horizontally, thus better distributing the stress on the bushing
i know the pictures i posted werent for the same cars, but the mount designs were similar.
i know plenty of 6th gen accord guys running the revised mounts, and havent had any issues.
11-02-2010, 10:27 PM
#197
i believe there have been design revisions.
when they first came out they were vertical mount like these ones
the revised mounts sit horizontally, thus better distributing the stress on the bushing
i know the pictures i posted werent for the same cars, but the mount designs were similar.
i know plenty of 6th gen accord guys running the revised mounts, and havent had any issues.
when they first came out they were vertical mount like these ones
the revised mounts sit horizontally, thus better distributing the stress on the bushing
i know the pictures i posted werent for the same cars, but the mount designs were similar.
i know plenty of 6th gen accord guys running the revised mounts, and havent had any issues.
11-03-2010, 08:27 AM
#199
wow you guys actually think you know how to design? please what you feel is better is so far out in no man's land I had to laugh, the vertical bushing mount is pitiful and will never last no matter the durometer of the rubber or polyurethane, read DESIGN FLAW from the get go. You should actually seek out designers and FEA types not shade tree mechanics.
11-03-2010, 12:54 PM
#200
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Constructive criticism. Nice