legend caliper question
02-20-2010, 10:27 AM
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on the TL and CL, gen2 99-03, you MUST install the 95 Legend calipers opposite their original use.
Left goes on right, right on left
The very small- we are talking less than 3-4 MM -differance in the size of each piston-- is of little importance for our use of them. There is not the braking loads the 2 door coupe was expected to generate in competition- where those cars were made to have some showroom stock or Improved Touring class fun on the racetrack, and caliper was mounted on the back side of strut with torque forces in mind
If it were a huge size differance that would matter-- but this is so close that visually its difficult to spot
The addition of a third `middle outer finger` on the Legend caliper stabilizes the outer pad and the dual pistons generate more even force across the width of the inner pad
No one in their right mind tries to bleed the calipers with the bleeder on the bottem, twisting it while off the car or whatever, just install them this way and dont worry- many of us doing it for years... and CL crowd is who started it!
Do prefill and prebleed the new calipers as much as possible- off the car
Use the 95 LS-C because it has the least size differance, each year and model had differances, these are the best I could work out with help of other ziner experts and actual and factory measurements
The parts store is HAPPY to get CL/TL calipers back!!- they can easily rebuild and resell those to someone else with a TL/CL,
while legend caliper customers are few and far between~ not many of them on the road.
Counter staff cant tell anything except its a caliper core,,,, get the old fluid out,,they appreciate that!
01tl4tl gen2 TL brake guru
Left goes on right, right on left
The very small- we are talking less than 3-4 MM -differance in the size of each piston-- is of little importance for our use of them. There is not the braking loads the 2 door coupe was expected to generate in competition- where those cars were made to have some showroom stock or Improved Touring class fun on the racetrack, and caliper was mounted on the back side of strut with torque forces in mind
If it were a huge size differance that would matter-- but this is so close that visually its difficult to spot
The addition of a third `middle outer finger` on the Legend caliper stabilizes the outer pad and the dual pistons generate more even force across the width of the inner pad
No one in their right mind tries to bleed the calipers with the bleeder on the bottem, twisting it while off the car or whatever, just install them this way and dont worry- many of us doing it for years... and CL crowd is who started it!
Do prefill and prebleed the new calipers as much as possible- off the car
Use the 95 LS-C because it has the least size differance, each year and model had differances, these are the best I could work out with help of other ziner experts and actual and factory measurements
The parts store is HAPPY to get CL/TL calipers back!!- they can easily rebuild and resell those to someone else with a TL/CL,
while legend caliper customers are few and far between~ not many of them on the road.
Counter staff cant tell anything except its a caliper core,,,, get the old fluid out,,they appreciate that!
01tl4tl gen2 TL brake guru
but the second part in bold confuses me...i thought only the 95 gs were the only dual pistons to get??
but now you are saying the 95 ls coupe are better for my cl?? can any one please clarify.
i am definitely gonna do this swap. i just want to do it the right way. i wanted to go nsx but tuff to find.
on another note...i found junk yard calipers for like $90.00 for both. should i but these or go the remanufactured route? either way i'm gonna paint them...
02-20-2010, 11:40 AM
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Reman. You have no idea how long those junkyard parts have been sitting. If they are seized, you buying new ones anyway.
02-20-2010, 04:07 PM
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I paid 204 for both of my NSX calipers when I bought them from Rockauto.com
But from what I hear is they don't have them in stock anymore.
also getting a little rust on them, I know this summer I will be stripping them down and putting some type of caliper paint on them.
02-20-2010, 07:17 PM
#124
Three Wheelin'
There's a thread I've come across before on H-T. It had a step-by-step for smoothing out your calipers to give it that Brembo paint finish. Basically, you sanded them down, filled in the pitted, rough casting areas with a type of putty, then sand them again and apply paint. Then I think you finish off by wet sanding and the results are a smooth shiny surface. I'd post the link, but Azine will block it.
02-20-2010, 09:16 PM
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You can always have them powdercoated. It will be very smooth and powdercoat is much stronger then paint.
02-27-2010, 07:33 PM
#129
went to the shop to get my brakes installed and realized that my legend calipers didnt come with the bolt that attaches to the brake lines and the stock bolts wont work on the legend calipers. Just had the rotors and pads put on and ordered bolts from acura. Will go back on wednesday to get calipers and lines on. Anyone else have this issue?
02-27-2010, 09:45 PM
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You sure the bolts from your calipers wont work?
02-27-2010, 09:52 PM
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Guess I will find out soon enough.
02-28-2010, 09:40 AM
#135
ASE certified don't really mean crap man.
That's the first level degree in a mechanic career and can be achieved in as little as 9-10 months.
You could possibly know more just being a car guy and having tools in your hands all the time.
I grew up in a junk yard,then into my teens moms boyfriend was a auto repair/yard owner too.
And spent many years working on cars till today.
Since every car I every had was not stock.
Things like this would out weigh a guy that's ase certified.
master tech, is a whole diffen't guy and is totally dedicated to his career.
Usually he would be highly qualified,and as long he wasn't lazy should not make little mistakes.
part #'s don't lie.
After retrying the new and old bolts ask for reimbursement.
For him being a retard.
That's the first level degree in a mechanic career and can be achieved in as little as 9-10 months.
You could possibly know more just being a car guy and having tools in your hands all the time.
I grew up in a junk yard,then into my teens moms boyfriend was a auto repair/yard owner too.
And spent many years working on cars till today.
Since every car I every had was not stock.
Things like this would out weigh a guy that's ase certified.
master tech, is a whole diffen't guy and is totally dedicated to his career.
Usually he would be highly qualified,and as long he wasn't lazy should not make little mistakes.
part #'s don't lie.
After retrying the new and old bolts ask for reimbursement.
For him being a retard.
02-28-2010, 09:47 AM
#136
ASE certified don't really mean crap man.
That's the first level degree in a mechanic career and can be achieved in as little as 9-10 months.
You could possibly know more just being a car guy and having tools in your hands all the time.
I grew up in a junk yard,then into my teens moms boyfriend was a auto repair/yard owner too.
And spent many years working on cars till today.
Since every car I every had was not stock.
Things like this would out weigh a guy that's ase certified.
master tech, is a whole diffen't guy and is totally dedicated to his career.
Usually he would be highly qualified,and as long he wasn't lazy should not make little mistakes.
part #'s don't lie.
After retrying the new and old bolts ask for reimbursement.
For him being a retard.
That's the first level degree in a mechanic career and can be achieved in as little as 9-10 months.
You could possibly know more just being a car guy and having tools in your hands all the time.
I grew up in a junk yard,then into my teens moms boyfriend was a auto repair/yard owner too.
And spent many years working on cars till today.
Since every car I every had was not stock.
Things like this would out weigh a guy that's ase certified.
master tech, is a whole diffen't guy and is totally dedicated to his career.
Usually he would be highly qualified,and as long he wasn't lazy should not make little mistakes.
part #'s don't lie.
After retrying the new and old bolts ask for reimbursement.
For him being a retard.
02-28-2010, 10:17 AM
#138
The bolt that attaches the brake lines to the front calipers. The threading part is the only issue. It dsnt wanna fit in the threading on the caliper. When I looked up that bolt for the legend and then the cl it gave me different part numbers so not sure if it is that or if that coating duralast sprayed on is the issue yet.
02-28-2010, 12:17 PM
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The bolt that attaches the brake lines to the front calipers. The threading part is the only issue. It dsnt wanna fit in the threading on the caliper. When I looked up that bolt for the legend and then the cl it gave me different part numbers so not sure if it is that or if that coating duralast sprayed on is the issue yet.
02-28-2010, 12:30 PM
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When you're looking at the diagram, youre looking at number 24 right? Thats PN 46462-SE0-000.
03-02-2010, 12:05 AM
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is this the right part?? what else would i need to swap the calipers?
1991 Acura NSX Caliper
im talking about the 2nd and 3rd form top...the nastra ones...
1991 Acura NSX Caliper
im talking about the 2nd and 3rd form top...the nastra ones...
03-03-2010, 09:56 AM
#144
So what was the FINAL consensus on the '95 Legend LS vs. GS Sedan caliper debate? Are they the same (dual-piston versions, of course)? I'm about to order these and was going to go with the '95 Legend GS Sedan dual-piston calipers but now I'm concerned I should get the LS version since they are a better size match for the CL????????????????
Someone confirm, please..
Someone confirm, please..
03-04-2010, 12:03 AM
#146
Was able to get the bolt to fit, had to retap it the threading was off. I washed my car today then went to drive it a few hours later and now I am getting a clicking sound coming from the rear right wheel well. It wasnt there the first 3 days after the brakes were installed, but has been there ever since I washed it earlier. It seemed to begin to go away when i drive longer, but it comes back. Any ideas what this could be.
03-09-2010, 11:16 AM
#147
Well after having brakes on for a week i must say I am not that impressed. The stopping distance dsnt seem as big of a difference to me as some ppl make it seem in their posts. On top of that, I assumed since my calipers had that coating on them they wouldnt rust. Well after the first time they got wet they have been coated in rust. I tried scraping rust off with a toothbrush and washing it but it just reappears the second it dries. SO my only option looks like ill have rusty brakes the whole summer or ill have to fork out cash to buy tools to jack my car up take off wheels and paint them. One of the main reasons i swapped brakes was to get rid of all the rust for my new wheels 
and it looks like I added more.
rustalicious
and it looks like I added more.rustalicious
03-10-2010, 07:14 AM
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Suzuka Master
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These calipers are an excellent low cost alternative for those individuals who find themselves in need of new calipers. There are plenty of people over on the 2nd Gen. TL side who have replaced their old high mileage (100K+) single piston calipers with these and report back with improved stopping power. Are they comparable to a BBK?, hell no. Are they an inexpensive upgrade to the single piston OEM's that came from the factory, absolutely.
If one wants to blow the wad$$ on a BBK, then by all means do it, and be happy. If one is open to experiment and needs new remanufactured duel piston calipers, then these are certainly a viable option.
That is all.
03-10-2010, 10:03 AM
#150
Honestly, IDK why some of you guys think these are the answer to produce the dramatic effects of a BBK.
These calipers are an excellent low cost alternative for those individuals who find themselves in need of new calipers. There are plenty of people over on the 2nd Gen. TL side who have replaced their old high mileage (100K+) single piston calipers with these and report back with improved stopping power. Are they comparable to a BBK?, hell no. Are they an inexpensive upgrade to the single piston OEM's that came from the factory, absolutely.
If one wants to blow the wad$$ on a BBK, then by all means do it, and be happy. If one is open to experiment and needs new remanufactured duel piston calipers, then these are certainly a viable option.
That is all.
These calipers are an excellent low cost alternative for those individuals who find themselves in need of new calipers. There are plenty of people over on the 2nd Gen. TL side who have replaced their old high mileage (100K+) single piston calipers with these and report back with improved stopping power. Are they comparable to a BBK?, hell no. Are they an inexpensive upgrade to the single piston OEM's that came from the factory, absolutely.
If one wants to blow the wad$$ on a BBK, then by all means do it, and be happy. If one is open to experiment and needs new remanufactured duel piston calipers, then these are certainly a viable option.
That is all.
Last edited by brian6speed; 03-10-2010 at 10:06 AM.
03-10-2010, 12:51 PM
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I don't need to defend my purchase. It was a simple fact that the single piston OEM calipers, in my case, were leaking/worn at 100K+ miles, thus at the end of there useful life. It was either shoot the wad for an overpriced BBK, that was overkill for my driving style, or experiment with these remanufactured dual piston calipers since the OEM'S NEEDED replacing anyway. In addition, these dual piston calipers, IMHO, have reduced/eliminated the need to replace or cut the rotors due to warpage over the long haul. Give them a chance.
My results were noticeable with regular Hawk HPS pads. Maybe the extra weight of the superchager in the front affects the bite I get from my setup.
This was one of the best 'upgrades' outside of the S/C'er unit, hiflow cat and B-pipe fitted to my CLS. YMMV.
In addition, these dual piston calipers, IMHO, have reduced/eliminated the need to replace or cut the rotors due to warpage over the long haul. Give them a chance.My results were noticeable with regular Hawk HPS pads. Maybe the extra weight of the superchager in the front affects the bite I get from my setup.
This was one of the best 'upgrades' outside of the S/C'er unit, hiflow cat and B-pipe fitted to my CLS. YMMV.
03-11-2010, 08:14 AM
#153
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, they will fit.
03-11-2010, 01:32 PM
#154
I never said i expected them to be like a big brake kit. I just expected to notice some/more improvement. I understand you feel the need to defend ur purchase tho. So why is my coating not preventing rust and if it dsnt prevent rust what is the point of coating? If you get these calipers make sure you paint or powdercoat them otherwise they look awful. Also you need to get the bracket powdercoated.
03-12-2010, 02:43 AM
#156
Honestly, IDK why some of you guys think these are the answer to produce the dramatic effects of a BBK.
These calipers are an excellent low cost alternative for those individuals who find themselves in need of new calipers. There are plenty of people over on the 2nd Gen. TL side who have replaced their old high mileage (100K+) single piston calipers with these and report back with improved stopping power. Are they comparable to a BBK?, hell no. Are they an inexpensive upgrade to the single piston OEM's that came from the factory, absolutely.
If one wants to blow the wad$$ on a BBK, then by all means do it, and be happy. If one is open to experiment and needs new remanufactured duel piston calipers, then these are certainly a viable option.
That is all.
These calipers are an excellent low cost alternative for those individuals who find themselves in need of new calipers. There are plenty of people over on the 2nd Gen. TL side who have replaced their old high mileage (100K+) single piston calipers with these and report back with improved stopping power. Are they comparable to a BBK?, hell no. Are they an inexpensive upgrade to the single piston OEM's that came from the factory, absolutely.
If one wants to blow the wad$$ on a BBK, then by all means do it, and be happy. If one is open to experiment and needs new remanufactured duel piston calipers, then these are certainly a viable option.
That is all.
Where are you located? I'm in Chicago and I just found a place that will do it for $20 a pop!
03-12-2010, 02:56 AM
#157
I agree with brian. Did not notice a difference at all with the legend calipers. I painted mine prior so I didnt have the rust issue. I noticed a much bigger difference with ebc redstuff pads.
03-12-2010, 09:54 AM
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Red Stuff FTMFW
04-30-2010, 12:14 PM
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You.......you.....you junked a Legend????? 