brian6speed

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I was curious if these are the right legend calipers for our car?

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...Q24S01006.html

they dont really say whether they are dual piston or not, but they say fit a 95 ls.

SPoolinspOON

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wow, those are mad expensive even if they are. I paid $140 for some reman ones and just painted them.

brian6speed

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Yea they are expensive, i wasnt gonna buy those exact ones. I called and those aren't even the dual piston ones anyway. I called autozone and they can order me the 95 legend gs calipers for 52 each. I'm still not sure if i want to go the legend route or get the front wilwood bbk thats 775$. Money is an issue, and also the wilwood doesn't fit behind stock wheels without a 15mm spacer(I put stock on for winter). I might need new bolts too. That would be pricey. Im gonna price both out and see the cost difference.

dave586270

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I originally looked at those legend calipers as well. Those aren't the right ones, and they are def too much! Check your local Nappa, Autozone, or Advanced Auto for referb calipers. Make sure they are the '95 Legend LS because the base model still had the single piston. They will be dual piston and look much diff then the single piston. After my core charge refund they were less than a hundred each (before my discount) at Advanced.

brian6speed

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Im looking at basically 3 options now.

1. Wilwood 12.6" front bbk($775), rear rotora brake lines($67), ebc red pads(151), and rear rotors(used ebc sport as an example($188)) =$1181


2. Legend Calipers($104), front rotor DBA 4000($237), rear rotor EBC sport($188), EBC red pads($151), goodridge lines($125) =$805


3. Legend Calipers($104), front rotor EBC sport($180), rear rotor EBC sport($188), EBC red pads($151), goodridge lines($125) =$748

Also if i go with the Wilwood i will have to run wheel spacers and maybe get extended studs when I have the stock wheels on for winter. The eibach 15mm spacers are $140 each so thats another $280 there. Will it look stupid with 15mm spacers on front but none on the rear? Also if I get Legend I might pay $50 to get the calipers powdercoated. What do you guys think I should do. I want the wilwood but the extra cost plus dealing with spacers is a turn off. The Legend would probably be enough for my driving style but i don't wanna buy them and regret not getting wilwood in the future.

brian6speed

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i called autozone, he said he can get me the 95 gs calipers for 52 each and that they are dual piston. He said that i cant return the cores because its a different caliper on the cl tho.

dave586270

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As long as they are the '95 Legend GS, and he says they are dual, then your good. Its just that year from the Legend that happen to bolt right up to our stock brackets. No modding needed. This is my setup:

'95 Legend LS Calipers - about $75 each
R1 Racing Slotted and drilled rotor/pad package - $300 shipped
Caliper Paint & Clear - $15
Misc supplies for painting (tape, plastic drop cloth) - $20
TOTAL = $485

My biggest reason for the upgrade was all the highway driving i do and warping rotors like it was my job. I've had these on for months and have about 20K on 'em with perfect results! Perfect wear on pads and rotors, no cracking or anything. Stops like a beast, and they are smooth, quiet, and strong in the pedal. Couldn't be happier with the results.

StreetKA

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i just change my rotors like 5k miles ago if i want go with legends do i have to buy other set of rotors ? i dont like slotted bc they are warping faster

brian6speed

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I must be really easy on the brakes cause after 88k miles i've never warped or replaced my rotors. I lik driving aggresively, its just that I usually wait for open roads to go fast where i wont have to brake hard. I still wanna upgrade my brakes for performance and cosmetic reasons tho. I am gonna put new wheels on in spring and all the rust behind the wheel is a turn off. i will drive more agressively once i put all my mods on also. On a side note, after driving a car with a brembo big brake kit 6 piston calipers the cl brakes really seem like garbage.

brian6speed

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no, the legend calipers are a direct swap to the oem cl calipers. Dont need to replace anything. Just make sure you get the right ones dual piston from 95 ls or gs.

StreetKA

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if you want go easy way... just replace rotors used ones from rockauto for 130 set i think they are fine yesterday i changed my brake fluid and that is a huge improvment the old fluid was brown...

civicdrivr

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I have a set of Racing Brake slotted rotors with about 25k on them. No warpage.

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You cannot use the same pads with the legend caliper can you?

brian6speed

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Everything ive read says you can.

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HOLY SHIT!! so i CAN change the brakes to dual piston, and leave the pads and rotors!!! woohoooo!

this shall be my next mod! after I find a reasonable price on the calipers FUCKING SWWWEEEET.

HOW much BETTER does the car brake after adding the dual piston calipers?

dave586270

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Nope, you use the exact same size rotor. So go with whatever brand you've enjoyed and just sit back and enjoy the new stopping power!

That could be part of it. I used to drive 75 miles round trip every day on the highway to work and rush hour you can go from 70 to 30 in a couple seconds multiple times on a ride home. People around here don't know what speed control is and you have to brake hard a lot. I just couldn't make rotors last to save my life.

Literally night and day. I can do 100-50 stops all day on the highway and they just keep grabbing. The wear on the pads and rotors is so even and just solid!

Brian is correct, you can use the stock sized rotors. Unless you resurface the existing i wouldn't recommend using the same ones with the swap. Start fresh, with new rotors and pads.

brian6speed

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Ill probably go with the legend calipers over a bbk for now. I can't really justify over 1k on brakes. What is preferred for this install left caliper on right etc or just bleed it upside down. Anyone have suggestions for other good performance pads besides the ebc reds. I thought I heard carbotechs are good.

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well i just bought top of the line ads from napa. Adaptive one they are called. Front and back. The pads are virtually new, and rotor the same... wear is absolutely PERFECT, which is why i might hold off. But i'd love to do stainless steel brake lines and these calipers.

I will not switch the rotor and pad however if I do go ahead with this mod soon.

But honestly for the times I stop hard the car stops HARD, abs kicks in so fast... one the pads/rotor have heated up a lil. (when it is near zero, between the DBA rotors and high performance pads, it's had to heat them up.. so u gotta be driving for a lil before everything is good to go.) I want to swap lines and front rotors to eliminate this problem, which i firmly believe it would, using the same rotors and pads.

I spent 450 on the front pads and rotors, which are bedded perfectly and not a even the slightest bit warped. So if I change I will keep that stuff I cannot see what the issue would be? can anyone fill me in?

SPoolinspOON

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I'm rocking racing brake slotted rotors, legend calipers, racing brake 500 pads, goodridge lines, with ATE super blue fluid. Love my brakes, and no spacers needed as I swap to my stock wheels in the winter.

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hmmm. partsource has them for 85$ EACH plus a 60$ core each.

that a good price?

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i was also told, only the GS calipers are dual piston FYI

SPoolinspOON

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just goto a local advance auto parts store. Thats what I did and they didn't ask any questions. Pay with cash

brian6speed

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i dunno about in canadian funds but i was quoted 52 each. i was told since the calipers are different ones I cant do the core return but maybe you can get away with it. Also you need to go to the store and pay for it up front before they order it.

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and these remanufactured calipers are going to be as good as new basically? I don't have to worry about uneven pad wear... etc?

caue right now my brakes are mint and if i change them I don't wanna have any problems. I HATE causing a problem when doing a mod

97BlackAckCL

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Plenty of people have gotten away with it, they usually don't even open the box, just don't tell them ahead of time

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k well now i know my mods for this year... XLR8 Cat, comptech mufflers, stainless steel brake lines, and legend calipers.

that'll be enough to keep me happy.... hopefully

SPoolinspOON

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Out of all the reman calipers I have gotten on all my cars. I haven't ran into any problems. Almost all the cores are OEM with Nissen stamped on them and when they tear the caliper down to rebuild, its just the piston and gaskets. There really isn't that many moving parts in a caliper. Piston in, Piston out. Just make sure you lube the slides as its common on imports for them to seize.

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ok just making sure I'm not gonna create a problem :-)... i'm gonna leave this mod till later tho. right now my brakes are fine imho. So no RUSH for now. but it's definitely on my to do list.

brian6speed

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I went to autozone it was actually 95 each for the 95 GS ones. The 52 each was after the core refund. I hope I can return my cores otherwise these will be a lil pricey. Should have them in tomorrow.

brian6speed

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Also when i was in i had him look up the caliper for the 95 LS and those were single piston. There were no options for coupe, just sedan. So if your looking for these I would look under 95 Legend GS sedan.

SPoolinspOON

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^^I got mine from a 94 LS Coupe

brian6speed

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Are you guys running the R1 concept elian ones, cause the premiums are pricey? Also how good are those? All 4 rotors would only run $200 seems cheap. Thats less than the cost of just DBA fronts. Dunno what pads to get yet.

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I am in love with DBA. the looks, the heat dissipation, the performance... amazing

brian6speed

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I just looked up R1 concepts and the first thing i saw was this article about a cracked rotor after 1k miles. http://www.clublexus.com/forums/susp...-2-months.html

I dunno about that brand after reading this. Do you recommend blanks, slotted, or drilled and slotted?

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i have the db 4000xs... when u get them in ur hand u'll see the quality.

http://www.dba.com.au/2006/PDF_CATAL...e_2009%201.pdf

check them out

dave586270

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Yeah they break down the calipers and put all new seals and what not on them. A caliper is basically metal with a few sliding parts. You have the slider bolts and the piston.

Its all personal choice. You have to be able to afford it and justify the mod your gonna do. I can tell you from personal experience I wish i wouldn't have waited so long to do the upgrade. Its like a night and day feeling with 'em.

I've heard about it too. You can't trust everything you read on the internet. I've had my R1's for several months and almost 15,000 miles. summer and winter driving. highway and city driving. hard and soft stopping. even my brother who has been a tech for years has never seen rotors and pads that have worn so evenly. i did the legend upgrade with the R1's and the pads they provide. i did a proper bed-in process (seating the brakes, same thing) and have never been happier with a brake job, or had one last longer.

brian6speed

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I like the dba but nothing you can match the rear with really. Dunno if i want the gold and different pattern on the front then no gold or black on back. I think I'd prob go with the reg 4000 series thats just slotted over the xs. The ebc sports are nice but I have heard multiple things about ppl not liking the slots going to the edge of the rotor. Then with the r1's im not so sure on quality, especially the non premium ones.

civicdrivr

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Blanks or slotted. Drilled doesnt do shit.

SPoolinspOON

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yep, drilled = wait for it to crack.

Drilled rotors just are not need these days with its technology behind the pad compounds. Back in the day, there would be gas build up from braking at the track which would create a slick contact with the rotor. At that time, companies created drilling the rotors to release the gases. IMHO, drilled rotors are just a waste now besides the bling factor. Slotted rotors are going to cut into the pads to provide fresh contact every time. To much? just get some brembo blanks.

civicdrivr

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