Okay i know what your all going to say. Yeah right. just probably happened once.

I knew everyone was going to say this so Im posting this AFTER i've repeatedly downshifted to 1st. Here's the situation. When i normall drive in SS and come to a stop light it automatically downshifts for you if you don't as you slow down and when you come to a complete stop it brings it down to 1st. OR (important part) if you hit the brake followed by a down shift the car will downshift . GUARANTEE!!!

I first noticed this 'bug' or 'glitch' when i was driving in SS and came almost to a stop light and it was from 5th so i downshifted to 4th, then to 3rd and then just used the brakes. I was almost about to stop but by the time I got to the light, it had turned back green. I then floored it and downshifted. WOAH!! OMG! it downshifted to 1st. and let me tell you the PULL in 1st gear is crazy. The first time it happened I just thought it was coincidence that I pulled the knob down. But the for past 3 weeks, I've been going to ASAP and on my way back I have to take a diff. route to get home. and theres this one turn where I turn right to get in to my neighborhood road and I've been using ss to drive. I come almost to the light downshift to 3rd, make the right turn using the brakes, as soon as I exit the turn I jamm the gas and press the knob down and it downshifts to 1st and throws me back. I repeatedly tried this. two days ago I made the turn same way, using 3rd in SS and braked and turned, I then just floored the gas all the way and Nothing happen.kept staying in 3rd.
Then today I repeat the exp. this time right after making the turn I gave it about 2 seconds after I let go of the gas, I then gave it a hard throttle ( not WOT) and downshifted and what do you know. same thing. Pulls me in 1st.

Okay now I'm really excited. I come to a rolling stop sign. i look both ways before I enter the intersection I TAP on the brake and as I'm turning I downshift and AGAIN pulled me through in 1st.

You all gotta try this to believe.

I guess just another glitch in SS just like it will let you shift past 80 if u take your foot off the gas.

 

I did it once by accident and it scared the shit outta me because I floored the pedal in second after slowing down with the brake and expected it to just stay in second and not auto-downshift me to first as if I'd left it in D5.

It pissed me off - when I'm in SS I expect it to NOT downshift automatically.

-J

[ 07-11-2001: Message edited by: JRock ]

 

Cool trick. I look forward to your "WTF?" post when your transmission fails.

 

SS is still bullshit.. we should have full and complete control over 1st gear.. stupid teeny-boppers in the RSX get it why can't we?

yeah and like JRock said I hate when it autoshifts back to 1 when you don't expect it.. makes it very scary..

ohh well we can't really bitch to acura not like they'll give 2 shits..

I wrote them letter and emails and haven't heard back shit..

 

Just curious... what did you write them about? Problems? Service?

 

hmm very funny responces. First everyone complains about how we should be able to control first. but somehow we can and you all flame.

Jrock. actually the bmw's let you control 1st and alot of people complain because its kinda annoying to shift so quickly. I actually like the auto downshifting when you come to a stop because you don't have to go through the trouble of downshifting each gear, since we can't just stick it in N.

I would only use this technique if I was to go auto-xing or if i wanted to take a corner and exit out of the turn real quick.

 

Now we only need to make some sort of gadget that can "Trick" the ECU or SS control that the break is being tapped and we could downshift to 1st...

thanks Nova!

 

it was about my steering problems which the dealer told me didn't exist.. And it's been happening today too..
here's the letter just for fun:

I am writing this letter to express my displeasure about my 2001 Acura CL Type-S. After only 14,000 miles my steering has turned very soft making the vehicle hard to control at any speed. Upon talking with other Type S owners, it was recommended that I get new tires and install a heavier sway bar to regain the steering the car had on the first day. It is also likely that I would need to get new tires every year to maintain the level of performance that is acceptable in a car of this cost. I find it ludicrous that I would need to make any modifications or upgrades to a $32,000 car so that it can be driven safely.

I will not be renewing my lease at the end of its term nor will I be considering any Acura/Honda vehicle for my next purchase.

For the record my previous vehicle was a 1988 Volvo 750 which offered far better steering control even up to it demise at over 150,000 miles.

 

I don't see a problem with it shifting down on stops but it does it while ur driving after it has prematurely shifted to 2nd like it always does..

 

Nova? This following is eerie and yet true.

I was in SS and had just turned at a light. I was rolling in second gear, saw there wasn't a car in front for a longggg way on this long straight, so I floor it. (The actuator "always" needs testing.....right?)
I KNEW I WAS IN SECOND AS I PUNCHED IT. I feel this downshift.
I glance down expecting to see second, and the shift light says 1. I was in second and yet it downshifted to first gear I was surprised because it's never happened before and I think this is not as advertised. Is this supposed to happen....nup? Maybe its standard on white models. Or maybe my tranny needs a looksee?

 

Must be the champion white.

 

Well, I just went out and abused my car for about 10 minutes to test what you guys are saying:

Actually, it's much simpler than you think -
If you are in second gear, and going
<= 25 mph, and you slam on the gas, it will
auto-downshift to 1.

It doesn't matter if you are in SS or D5.
You do not have to brake, or shift or anything. It's easily reproducable by just letting off on the gas till you hit 25, then slamming it.

I don't know the exact magic number, but it's <30 and >= 25 mph.

 

Thanks for clearing that up, Chod.

And it's still gay - if it says second, the fucker should stay in second unless I drop below 5mph.


-J

 

I was JUST about to post that the 2-1 downshift happens for me all the time... I use engine braking a LOT. My entire 30-45 minute commute is on damn back roads (must be like 40 stoplights between my house and work) so it's ANNOYING to have to constantly be hitting the break. Anyway - I concur on the speed that it happens - definitely near 25 mph or lower.

 

The auto RSX can control its own 1-2 shift!!

Probably due to our bitching!

 

But you can't get a TypeS in auto can you?

-J

 

no, it only comes in a manual.

chod, thanks for clearing that up, i would've said something had i been online. ... but you are correct, basically the 1->2 and 2->1 shift if completely automated, and there is no way to control it (in SS or D3-5) The only way you can force you car to stay in 1st is to use D1. I haven't figured out the max speed to hammer it down to D1 from D2. Just keep in mind that there is nothing you can do about the 1->2 or 2->1 shift unless moving the shift level from D1->D2.

 

I can't believe you guys haven't figured this out yet...

I learned that my car would downshift and upshift between 1st and 2nd while in Ss the first week I got my car...I just took it as being the normal operation of the tranny...now it's a big deal LOL...I shoulda posted a long time ago I suppose...

 

"Re-discover the wheel" from "Re-invent the wheel" and "Better late than never" all come to mind.

 

Upshifting yes, downshifting, I just thought it happened by luck.

I just tested it again while coming to work. I slowed down in 3rd to around 25~30mph floored the gas and it DID NOT down shift but stayed in 3rd and accel. I come to another place where there is a right turn so the car in front makes a right and I slow down to 25~30mph, i tap the brake real quick downshift press the gas and it DID IT AGAIN. 1st.

 

Try the same thing in 2nd without the downshift - it will still do it.

And sometimes it's annoying.

When I autocross, I use the 1-2 at the bottom of the shift gate. That way I can keep it in 2nd - because VSA is off, that limits wheelspin.

 

Yeah I think I'm just do that. Be like "screw you, SportShift!".



-J

 

But it's a LONG, curvy road in the gate from 1-2 to SS.

 

autox-CL-er,
How have done in the autocross and how is the car fairing against other competition. WHat other cars are you running against?

 

You Auto X a stock type S?? Any plans for sways ? or springs?

 

Granted I'm a BIG, GREEN NOVICE -

But I won the novice class in the last race I did. I race in G stock, which is the general consensus for where we should be w/o any mods besides tires (have to be similarly sized to stock) and wheels (ditto). I've been racing on the stock tires (suck), but I'm going to invest in some rims / competition tires in the next year or so.

Most of the other cars are either Rustangs, Accords, Preludes, 'teggies and the occasional Camaro. See SCCA Stock classifications and SCCA classification page. Our car really will never be a big contender in that class - but is sure as hell is a blast! As they say - you'll never forget your first event!

 

Oh yeah - and in a stock category, I thought you can't add anything except cat-back exhaust, tires, wheels (factory width, diameter and offset), and shocks (no springs, I believe or sways).

Edit: Found the specifics on stock categories: http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/faq/auto.htm#114
And a good novice starter: http://www.tirerack.com/features/solo2/handbook.htm

[ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: autox-CL-er ]

 

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

As long as it doen't fail w/in 4 years. im kool. i'll probably sell it in 4 years so not really concerned either.

 

nova thats the thing see it's not gonna do it from third but because you brake and down shift now you;re in second because of that and you go wot at around 25 it downshifts for you to first ...try it from second w/o shifting at all

 

I'll try it when I go home.

 

All I see is a bunch of people trying to use SS, and using it incorrectly.

I've fought this battle, long ago. I know there are a lot of new folks here, but a long time ago I said:

"You must practice, practice, practice using the SS and eventually you will know how to use it correctly."

That means everyday in all types of situations. I do. And I never get any surprises anymore. The SS is nearly 95% controllable by the driver and his foot and the shifter. No way that tranny is shifting and working on it's on. But you'll never know how to work it if you hate it and you disagree with how it works and you pull it out once or twice a week.

At least you have an option, put it in Auto. I chose the opposite. I worked that tranny and after 16 months, I got it down. When I ask for a lot of speed, it gives it to me. If that means downshifting for you, so be it. Flooring the accelerator in 2nd gear means you need speed immediately. The best way to get this is in 1st gear. Only a bad driver would opt for 2nd gear (in this case) and Acura doesn't want you to be a bad driver. Anyway, I'm sure you know it but SS is not perfect so there will be those [isolated] instances where it doesn't apply. Just like there are cases where the manual tranny falls short, too.

 

okay im bringing this thread back again cause yesturday I was able to reproduce it while i had my digi cam.

I did three test.

1. roll form 20mph in SS w/ gear on 3rd. then floor it
result: car stayted in 3rd and accelerated
2. roll from 20mph in SS w/ gear on 3rd. Pulled the shifter ONCE then floored it.
result: car downshifted to 1st from 3rd. *i have this on video for anyone who wants to see IM me. Joekim1113
3. roll from 20mph w/ car in d5. then floored it
result couldn't tell but felt like it down shifted to only 2nd.

 

dude, i do this all the time...it's not THAT big of a deal...in fact, when i read yer first post, i laughed a little b/c it was so long ago, and the post sounded so innocent, so naive (i'm not disrespecting u BTW)

 

I didn't read the entire thread so I don't know if this was already mentioned. I'm guessing since our car selects between 1st and 2nd for us based on throttle position/how hard the throttle was depressed, it automatically skipped second and went into first. I wouldn't really call this a glitch. It's not like we can hold first.

 

i didnt realize this was an old thread from the past but yea its been happening to me alot lately (i've been feelin the lead foot the past couple weeks) and if im in 2nd and ss just floor it it will automatically go to first. pull in 1st is awesome though

 

It's funny cuz looking at my first post on page one of this thread I thought you were talking about how it auto-downshifts even when in SS which is supposed to let us control the gears.

Talking to you today I got what you are saying, and the video explains it well too.

I don't really use SS much myself, but it's cool you figured out a way to get it to downshift into first if you want to.

 

Why not just screw SS and move the shifter all the way to D1 and shift ur way up to 4
HAHAHA

 

Do this test: Put it in 2nd, slow down <20 and floor it, I bet it will downshift to 1st. None of this 3rd gear crap and hitting the brake stuff you keep talking about. The only reason 2. above keeps working, is because you are in 3rd, you pulled back once, you are now in 2nd, you floored it, it auto downed to 1st.

We do have some control over the 1st<2nd shift. Only when accelerating hard. Try this, floor it in 1st so that it does not auto up until high rpm. Before you get too high, try to shift to 2nd. It will shift, but this is not the type of control that we want.

By the way, NOVAwhiteTypeS, nice avatar!

 

If you want to control your shifts, then forget SS, it sucks!

That's why I use shiftgate most of the time.

I can keep it in the gear I want all the way up to the rev limiter. And I can downshift at the soonest possible point as well. For example, I can downshift in to 1st at 30MPH, and take off like a rocket. No braking or anything else to slow me down when I need to gooo!

It's main reason why I've got so many 3-Series kills. If I let SS or Auto mode handle it, I would have lost to the M3s and 330s I've beaten, without a doubt.

RUF