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I know hardly anyone comes in the 2G CL area anymore, but I have a decision to make and need some input
For several months, I've been researching and compiling parts for my J35 build, now most parts are on hand or in route. I wont go into details on the engine because that's not the issue. The issue is I don't know what frame to keep:
Choices are 03CLS, 01 Accord Coupe and 00 prelude. They each have their advantages and drawbacks. The obvious are weight, mounts and wheel options. All cars are presently stick shift, but the latter are 4cyl bodies:
1. 03 CLS, where the motor is now, its supercharged, but its heavy, long and bumpers and paint are not good. Running 3" single exhaust, TLs wheels in 17x8, 245/40/17.
2. Accord is a bit lighter, I like the body lines a bit more. Plus the suspension, brakes, wheels, front seats and even steering wheel have all been on it before. The bad is the body is badly faded and it was a 4cyl. At minimum I'd have to cut out the passenger motor mount and wheelhousing from the CLS and weld it in. Likely I need to swap the subframe, but fitment is questionable...? I will likely bring the CLS cluster and dash harness over. The 3" single exhaust came from the accord, so I know it will fit.
3. The prelude, is the lightest and shortest. Its pretty decent shape body wise. I have innovative j series motor mounts already, but still need a front traction bar, to replace the cross member and the front mount bracket. A clutch line is on order with P2R. The axles from what I've read should swap over, The fitment for the supercharger is unknown. AC also likely needs to go. Fuel supply line will have be adapted and extended. Likely will need to pull the cluster as well from the CLS and find some way to mount it. The present exhaust is 2.5", but I'll want to go 3" to match the P2R race header that's coming next week. The wheels are my last concern. Test fitment of the TLS wheels rubbed in the rear with 235/45s and those barely provide any traction. Likely have to go staggered 225s in the back and see if the 245s can fit the front.
Lastly, I plan to go AEM standalone once its running, so ecu and the trans side ckp is not a factor on the other cars. AT engine harness is on hand.
Help a fellow AZ member out, what car should I use and why?
Thanks guys. This is I think my 4th prelude. I had the pleasure of spending 4yrs in Japan and owned 2 rhds. 95 F22 dohc, that I later converted to h22. Also a 97 SIR in AT. This one has a pretty heavily modded jdm h22, that I've had in at least 5 cars, lol
Anyways, ever since I saw some videos of J series preludes couple yrs ago, I've wanted to install one. Recently I found out S1Built is designing a bolt on awd setup for preludes and saw a teaser video where they show a j in a prelude they purchased for R and D. Hopefully its a j2k setup that will work with their prototype awd kit.
first parts to come off, the long road ahead begins. S/C was from zeta's low milage AT, only major change is that big silicone elbow. DD is a 07 TLS, so I'll be on 3g TL AZ here and there.
Test fit of the p2r dbw intake manifold to cable throttle body adapter. 70mm straight thru. although need to machine thinner or make custom elbow for s/c. 06 RL manifold is 70mm in.
Test fit of the p2r dbw intake manifold to cable throttle body adapter. 70mm straight thru. although need to machine thinner or make custom elbow for s/c. 06 RL manifold is 70mm in.
Your build is making me itch to get my CL back up and running. I might have an update soon, and I'll be right with you doing the same stuff.
Y'all have any tips on moving a motor around without a hoist? I'm thinking a seatbelt with a metal pole..
tow straps from harbor freight have been my friend when lifting, but in conjunction with a hoist.
when you say move around, you mean out of the car or to remove from the car?
tow straps from harbor freight have been my friend when lifting, but in conjunction with a hoist.
when you say move around, you mean out of the car or to remove from the car?
Out of the car. Junkyard recently got some MDXs in. Getting it pulled will be easy, but getting it in & out of the back of my friend's Ranchero? Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
those little flat 4wheel movers dollies work in a pinch. also harbor frieght. i have my j35a8 block on one right now. idk about the junkyard terrain conditions. but, a friend to help steady would help
flat pallet or tire to lay it on. the junkyard may have a forklift. thats been my experience.
rent a hoist maybe to unload.
those little flat 4wheel movers dollies work in a pinch. also harbor frieght. i have my j35a8 block on one right now. idk about the junkyard terrain conditions. but, a friend to help steady would help
flat pallet or tire to lay it on. the junkyard may have a forklift. thats been my experience.
They have those dolleys at the junkyard, it's just after paying, it's all on you to get it into your vehicle. They don't help out with a forklift or anything.
i see. mine was delivered to my house. the guy had a lift gate. i rented a truck with a lift one from enterprise to move my heavy tool box before. that or a flat bed tow truck one way. depending on how far.
i see. mine was delivered to my house. the guy had a lift gate. i rented a truck with a lift one from enterprise to move my heavy tool box before. that or a flat bed tow truck one way. depending on how far.
My J35 was delivered too. But how'd you get them to deliver to your house? Every place I called would refuse to deliver to a house, only to a shop.
I'm just trying to get one from the junkyard because I have 3 options, and I can check them all before buying, and it's cheaper.
i just told them ahead of time i needed a residential delivery and paid a bit more for lift gate delivery. guy pulled it all the way to my garage on a pallet jack. its a steep driveway too. lol
quick update. finally got my tls back from the body shop, so was able to start disassembly. Garage space is limited with this big body... still need to be able to get the hoist in and out, hence lot of front end parts are removed.
motor and trans are out. before I tear it down, test fit the new headers. rear barely clears.
That CL-S6 rear engine mount is wide!
After referencing the look of one from an automatic, now I understand why P2R recommends the one from the auto if used on a manual.
it's only a short drive from TX to AZ, I'm coming to help!
lol, thanks for the offer. i think a lot of work will be machine shop labor. Hoping to get the heads and block torn down next weekend, then off to a machine shop. Few things in mind are replacing valve stems with the bronze ones in the parts pile. 3 angle valve job for the RL valves I've been saving. Check and re-face the valve seats and set the valve heights to spec. I'm also wanting to get the block washed and checked for piston to wall clearance with the new pistons. If within limit hone the cylinders and maybe deck block .004".
That CL-S6 rear engine mount is wide!
After referencing the look of one from an automatic, now I understand why P2R recommends the one from the auto if used on a manual.
Indeed. I actually ordered a A/T bracket just in the off chance the M/T bracket interfered. But, only 2 of the bolt holes line up with the block. I do not have a AT car to reference, but I can only presume the other 2 (not visible in the pic below) attach to the AT bellhousing?
In any case I think I may be able to use my carbide burr to make a small indent in the bracket. just for a bit more clearance.
Made a mistake on post 23. said valve stems, not valve guides.
One other note, I'm still on the fence about the whole which frame to keep. Even though no one was enthused about the 6GA, I actually test fit the front CLS sub frame on the 4cyl accord body today and it bolted up nicely. The rear half, where the rear engine mount goes, had slightly different bolt holes, probably because the accord only came AT. Anyways with those two piece of the crossmember, 3 out of 4 mounts are taken care of. I also may have figured out a way to adapt the 6GA passenger mount using the pieces from innovative's jswap prelude kit. Its definitely still on the possible swap list. Sorry guys... lol
small update, spent most of yesterday swapping front end parts between the accord and cls: cross member, subframe, radius rods, ctrl arms, struts, knuckles and front brakes...
So today i was able to test fit the cls motor on the v6 front and rear motor mounts. the passenger side mount is the area I knew would have to be modified. plan is to remove the 4cyl side bracket, to make room for the cls mount support / wheel housing. test fit of j32 in a 4cyl accord piece to be removed and transferred over
Btw, the 4cyl accord body is definitely not as plug and play as v6
Any yards nearby that have a 98-02 Accord EX, LX V6 or 99-03 TL / TL-S & 01-03 CL's you could harvest that discontinued (60610-S87-A00ZZ) right front wheelhouse from?
That way, if you wanted to go back to the CL platform, say to sell for some quick cash, it would not be trashed?
Or have you already placed it 'out to pasture' in your mind?
Any yards nearby that have a 98-02 Accord EX, LX V6 or 99-03 TL / TL-S & 01-03 CL's you could harvest that discontinued (60610-S87-A00ZZ) right front wheelhouse from?
I found one at junk yard in norcal, but they had it attached to the radiator core support and wouldn't part it out. I almost considered getting the whole set. But the shipping was too much. Another forum member had suggested I make a bracket myself, but I don't really have scrap material or a good metal saw to cut one.
Today I managed to swap the rear cross members between the two cars, without pulling the arms off. the v6 frame is definitely better built, so I'm glad I did it. Not sure what I'll do with the cl body yet, park it and throw a cover on maybe?
Small update over this long weekend. Cut the 4cyl psgr side bracket off the 6GA. Removed the spot welds holding the piece of CLS wheel housing. Wasn't too bad using a spot weld cutter and a chisel. Also relocated the ABS unit and brake hardlines. Need to clean off some of the sealant on the 6GA. test fit of relocated wheel housing and abs unit
Spent lot of time yesterday and today with ecu wiring. what a mess that is... Also re-set the motor on 3 mounts and laid some quick welds to transferred bracket.
have you already placed it 'out to pasture' in your mind?
It seems the cl body may be re-purposed after all. Someone side swiped a coworkers 6th gen v6 accord sedan. The damage is limited to the front fender, both driver side doors. I offered to sell the cl cheap and help him swap over the j30 powertrain and auto trans.
The other driver was uninsured and my coworker was gonna sell the car for whatever he could get. Anyways, he seemed very excited that his motor and trans could be salvaged. Obviously I need to transfer over the harness, ecu, and all the misc parts i pillaged for my swap.
migrated build progress to a 6GA forum. However, here's a first glimpse of the cls6 powerplant in the 01 accord 4cyl body. yes it is possible with factory parts.
Tablet in dash. Relocated the climate controls to the glovebox
I have a j32a2 6mt accord also...putting the supercharger in it now
My buddy helped me wire the acura cluster in the accord. It's in progress, I know how crazy it looks lol.
Definitely keep the prelude. I never see them anymore.
J32a2 supercharger aem ems v2
Can I get 300whp? Should be finishing up in a few weeks.
I have the p2r fuel rail with 650cc injectors.
Nice, rides. CL does look like mine used to. lol
300whp should def be possible with the right tune. I read an article a while back, claiming the comptech cls with headers, and s/c was 369hp. But, of course no dyno to prove it.
Interesting dash setups. Is that a 7GA?
On the 6GAs. the CL and TL dashes can swap in. I considered doing that, but from what I've read the climate control is a hassle to wire up if the accord has manual controls, which mine does.
Yeah, I do plan to keep the prelude a while. possibly for my son's first car. It has a sleeved jdm h22 with a lot of goodies. If I ever get around to it, I still have an 05 RL motor and innovative j series conversion mounts.
The CL body is being sold cheap to my coworker. I'll be putting his j30 at from damaged 6GA.
Nice, rides. CL does look like mine used to. lol
300whp should def be possible with the right tune. I read an article a while back, claiming the comptech cls with headers, and s/c was 369hp. But, of course no dyno to prove it.
Interesting dash setups. Is that a 7GA?
On the 6GAs. the CL and TL dashes can swap in. I considered doing that, but from what I've read the climate control is a hassle to wire up if the accord has manual controls, which mine does.
Yeah, I do plan to keep the prelude a while. possibly for my son's first car. It has a sleeved jdm h22 with a lot of goodies. If I ever get around to it, I still have an 05 RL motor and innovative j series conversion mounts.
The CL body is being sold cheap to my coworker. I'll be putting his j30 at from damaged 6GA.
the tablet is in the cl. It didn't originally have the gps/digital climate controls.
08-05-2021, 09:59 PM
Also re-set the motor on 3 mounts and laid some quick welds to transferred bracket. 
