Slimey

I'm sure!

Scrib

Do what I do in this type of a situation...

Slimey

Seems like that just makes them angrier and louder though...

NOLACLS

I have been there and dont that!

jimcol711

i would be fucking SUING comptech for the cost of EVERYTHING related to this fiasco!!!

how on earth can you say you WONT ask for money back?? this is insane. no need to suck comptechs cocks anymore, youve been OWNED. youve been used and abused and theyve been using you as nothing more than R&D fodder at YOUR expence. dont be foolish...DEMAND a refund for every part youve bought and all the labor associated with this horrible debacle!!!

NOLACLS

What you need is the earplugs and these


That way they are distracted and no longer care what you do to your car

ChadT

Yeah they should have resolved these problems Allmotor is figuring out by trial and error. I wonder how many have the pulley on a 6 speed without this happening? If Comptech is certain this is caused by the pulley then why didn't they say something when it failed the last time. Seems like they are doing a bit of monday morning quarterbacking here.

allmotor_2000

Well, I am not going to sue them... but it is pretty depressing. I will probably send the flywheel back to them with a nice letter outlying all the facts properly.

I did EVERYTHING they have asked me to do... each time. They kept saying its install and like a dumbass I believed them. Then Shad told me that they NEVER used the tool on BOTH their cars... and it hasn't broken. Being a dumbass again and not thinking about it... I re-installed the clutch. It probably IS the pulley... but could be something else as well. I take my car to 7400 RPM... I doubt anybody else does. Most of the time it has broken... it has been after taking it that high.

I don't think I'll put another flywheel... even if its for free.

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

Do you really expect Comptech to take into account another company's mod while designing theres? Their in this to make money. There's still no proof it's the UR pully anyway. Also when you supercharge the car your need the stock pully. I'm not a fan of Comptech or UR btw.

NOLACLS

YOu know as long as I have had honda/acura cars and modded them...I was always told...never fool with the crank pully because of harmonics...I never really knew why...but this is kinda proving it to me all over again.

Its sucks that you had to go through all this man...I just hope CT maks good on at least some of the cost.

Slimey

Your signature:
By my count you have six Comptech products on your car. Of them, only the headers are limited to Comptech. The other items (intake, exhaust, brake lines[just vendored by Comptech anyway], spring, sways) are also made by other companies. Not a fan, but still do business with them. :P

I still like Comptech, but am disappointed by the issue allmotor's facing and the doubt left about Comptech's clutch/flywheel product.

Just messing with you -- now back to the orginal thread...

scalbert

If it is the UR pulley why would Comptech be responsible?? Do you ever think before typing?? :P

scalbert

That would get me knocked up the side of the head...

scalbert

I assume "lecturing" is the nice way of saying what's actually occured.

NOLACLS

Hahaha scalbert...so true sooo true!!

allmotor_2000

In terms of liability... I don't see how Comptech is liable.. except that they never mentioned "don't use it without the stock crank pulley". Now... considering I have done a lot of R&D for them... maybe they should consider refunding me some money. Shad hasn't called me today... and he probably won't... so my plan is to send the flywheel/clutch back to Comptech and ask for a refund. It's not proven the UR pulley causes the damage...

ChadT

That's true. They haven't proven it's the pulley and you HAVE proven it's not the installation. This would be a good opportunity for them to prove if it was the pulley or not.

Slimey

But...did they have a disclaimer listed with the part that states something like, 'should not be installed on a drivetrain with an aftermarket underdrive pulley'? Somehow, I doubt it.

I'm not one for willy-nilly lawsuits either, but if this was due to the UR pulley, then you indeed did some important R&D on their behalf, especially if they include such a disclaimer in the future.

Food for though, I guess. I'm hoping that Shad and Comptech will do something honorable for you. Future sales of this product are riding on the outcome here.

Zapata

Zapata

NOt included but i think that it's well understood putting aftermarket pullies will put you at risk, especially when you start to lighten spinning parts......

Slimey

Agreed.

allmotor_2000

Well... all my parts came in:

New Pressure-Plate
New Clutch Disk
New CrankShaft Position Sensor
New Flywheel Bolts
Old Flywheel (its in perfect shape)
Old Crank Pulley
Old Belts

darrinb

i actually agree w/ jim

Zapata

:sqnteek:

how is it in anyway comptechs fault?

cusdaddy

It's not proven that the pulley caused the damage. The only thing proven is that the Comptech clutch broke 4 times, so I'd say it's Comptech's fault. They should have informed him the first time if they really thought it was the pulley. I just think they are doing what most R&D shops do - Trial and error

It may very well be the pulley, but Allmotor should be compensated in some way for basically doing a ton of R&D for Comptech

allmotor_2000

Well, Shad didn't call me today as he promised... so I figure they don't really care. So... I will take the flywheel off and send it back to them and ask for a 100% refund as the product did not work for my application. They didn't specify what I COULD or COULD NOT have on my car... AND I have done EVERYTHING they have asked me to do to determine the probable cause - its the least they should give me! Shad did mention during our last conversation that he is going to put a "don't use with lightened crank pulley" on further clutch shipments.

Slimey

Send them a bill for your consulting and real-world R&D expertise since they are going to use it to improve their product, or at least modify its application.

I'm joking but not really -- your wife may agree!

ModAddict

Nope. You could actualy go larger for more boost, but here is a lightened UR for S/C aplications,... stock size.

http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/newpulleys.html

ModAddict

Allmotor, I would expect a full refund for all of your parts, or a complete set of new parts at N/C if you want to try again. If you do try again you may want to have a lawer standing by if it doesn't work,.....



not for Compteh,....



for your wife! She's going to try to kill you!

Juker008

WHOLLY $HIT MAN U ARE PISSED.


just relax, smoek a bole, and pound one back, then smoek another. By order of Dr. Greenthumb. Repeat if simptoms continue.








Juker008

Juker008

Do u mean that CT makes a sprung hub?






Juker008

NOLACLS

I agree..they should at least give you your $$$ back for the CT products...but I would also think they would want to know if it is the pully or not and would want to work with you to get to the bottom of this.

ChadT

They told him it failed because of the installation. He had it re-installed at his expense. Now they're saying. "well it really wasn't the installation it was the UD pulley." They had the opportunity to tell him it could be the pulley the last time and the time before that but didn't. Now they're saying it's the pulley. Allmotor shouldn't be the one who has to figure out this failure mode for them. It's reasonable to assume someone going to the trouble of installing an entire new flywheel and clutch on a fairly new car will have some other mods. If the flywheel is totally incompatible with the UD pulley comptech should have discovered this and made it known before selling these. They may not be legally bound to do anything but they need to live up to their reputation or they won't have it for long.

scalbert

I agree that Comptech should provide some assistance and possibly a full refund but you are making some assumptions. Did Comptech know that he had the pulley to begin with or was it not until later that this was disclosed?? Based on what was presented, I agree with their initial assumptions, it was installation error. But as with anything, a process of elimination was needed as unfortunate as it is.

So based on what you stated Comptech should be require to test their products with every combination of other products out there to learn of compatibility issues?? If so, shouldn't UR also be held responsible for testing their products to be sure they do not impact others?? If this were the case all of our products would cost 10x what they currently do.

NOLACLS

Absolutly Scalbert...CT should only need to know if it is compatible with there own products and not others...but they should jump on this opertunity to see if it will work with the UR pully because if it doesnt they will have this come back on them over and over again.

ChadT

No I'm not saying Comptech should try every combination of parts of course that would be ridiculous. I'm saying now that this incompatibility issue has been brought up (but not proven yet) they would have an interest in getting another flywheel on this car to prove it was in fact the pulley causing the failure.

Shawn S

If Comptech’s conclusion is correct, wouldn’t this be a secondary warning to people using the pulleys with the STOCK clutch.
If harmonics can do this damage on the aftermarket components isn’t it subjecting the OEM parts to the same abuse?
Sure, the stock equipment is heavier and stronger, but isn’t this cause for concern?

Shawn S

PS…. After following this “saga” for the last few days, my opinion is that Comptech should pay for at least SOME of the costs here.
At LEAST the parts and labor on the last two mishaps.

Then again they ARE paying for it by reduced sales of everyone reading this.
But that’s not helping allmotor any.

scalbert

True, and we don't know what is going on there. They may have ordered a UR pulley to be put on their test mule, just speculation. In the mean time they are putting in a disclosure about the use of the two products.

This is an unfortunate situation nonetheless. It seems though that the only unscathed party is UR who may be the root of the problem.

ChadT

Yes that's a fact and I'm sure that is Comptechs veiw of the issue as well. I just really hate to see someone like Allmotor who has done a lot to discover how to make a quick CL move on to some other car because of this string of troubles with the clutch.

Slimey

Yes. What disclaimers does UR put on their pullies? Hopefully Comptech is taking to the R&D folks at UR so that some conclusion can be made about product compatibility. AFAIK, UR is the only manufacturer of the underdrive pulley for the CL.

I remember the serious debates about risks and benefits of the underdrive pulley posted in these forums. I would agree with others here and assume there is some drivetrain risk with this part.



But I would say that Comptech has more of a reputation to uphold then UR does.

Most of us know Comptech as being a 'Honda/Acura Authorized' performance manufacturer, even though that branding is not official. UR is not thought of in the same light as Comptech. I've seen dealers sell Comptech'ed cars off their lots and tout them as something special, but the same is not true with other companies like UR, AEM, etc.