Comptech = LIFETIME

AlphaWerks = 1 yr



I cant wait till I have time to install my Alpha Werks...I'm hoping they last atleast 4 yrs...

 

I'm hope they fit first, then worry about how long they last.

I mean they are stainless steel, they should last forever. The only thing that could go wrong once they are installed is having one of those welds crack and cause a leak. Or, have that front flex section get ripped open over a speed bump. I still don't know why that's there.

 

"PURELY COSMETIC" , huh? I guess because the crappy welds and gaps can't be seen from the outside, that means that power won't be affected. gaps and gouges WILL affect the flow. The smoother, the better. Crack open a set of the "more expensive" brand. will they look like yours?

I might as well scratch and gouge up my throttle body as well, since nobody will be able to see the inside of it, and since gouges and gaps don't affect the flow of air.

You are not doing such a good job of representing your company on this forum. Just take responsibility for your company's poor R&D and manufacturing, and improve on it. Stop making excuses and ridiculous statements.

 

I think the reason why everybody is bashing alphawerks now is because after having so many positive feedback on it they actually thought it was going to be better than comptechs. Again they are not as expensive as comptechs.. I agree that comptechs have a better quality well for being 1100 dont u think jeez... 1100 compare to 600.. This the first bad header i heard and just because of one bad header Alphawerks sucks... ???

One thing i am concerned is if Nexus is going to do anything about that messed up header and if they are going to keep on improving their headers.....IF not then I would say they suck and poor customer service..

 

my AW headers are great, just this carlos fellow isnt too great with customer service, he makes up to many excuses.

 

carlos?

 

header install =

 

I have been PMing Nexus on my situation and will keep you ALL posted. His reply was exactly as he stated here in this thread, "it is all cosmetic." Unfortunatly, for the experienced and knowledgable tuners, we all know that bad welds equal more problems. One of which I presented to him: resonance. The gaps and burrs will definatly create a "whistling" of sorts and all he seemed to do was dodge the question:

This is the PMing session that has ensued...(from bottom to top...) cut and pasted for your information...


Hmm. Okay, you misunderstood my statement. The fabric was IN the header when I recieved it in the mail, and second, a burr is still a burr and that is a direct indication that the time needed to properly "buff" them out wasn't taken.
Gaps in the intenal welds will not cause resonance? It's the exact science of a whistle, same concept. I can understand not loosing any power to welds, but for $600 would you take gaps and burrs in headers that you where promised would look great as well as perform with NO problems?
The resonance will still happen if I install these headers in their current condition. Please do contact me soon. I am anticipating hearing NEXUS/ALPHAWERKS response on this situation.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexusindustry
My first question is why were you using fabric to "clean" out the header? The header will immediately be filled with exhaust gases that will dirty every inch of the inside of the headers.

As for the welds, the issue of resonance has been found on only one header that was a prototype. This is out of the 300 we have made and are on the road. But if any cracking occurs then we will definitely cover with a year warranty. Also the welds as I see them in these pictures will absolutely not rob the car of power. The prototype headers we did our dynos with were alot rougher because we were more interested in fitment at the time and the resulting power did not drop.

As for the welds I will have someone call Alphawerks and discuss the welds situation asap. Thank you.

Victor D.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PDX3.2TL
Victor,
There is no hole on the outside of the headers. Also I have not installed the headers yet because I am waiting to hear what you would like to do about this situation. My concern is resonance in the header. With rough welds comes unstable air which creates unwanted sounds and lost power. To explain more throughly:
The welds on the internals are quite rough and they even have burrs that have caught the fibers of the cloth used to clean them out!
The top photo shows that there is one burr that is to the left that caught the fabric and one to the right that I touched and it was quite sharp.
The bottom one shows a 1/16" of an inch gap which disturbs me because I am comparing them to some of the other brands discussed on the forum for half the price and they don't have gaps on internal welds...
I would just like to get a set of headers that have clean welds on the internal and external of the headers. If that means that I have to return them to Josh or send them back to you and get reimbursed for shipping, so be it. You are more than welcome to send me the $75 that I was qouted to remedy the interal weld problem as an option as well. That you for your speedy reply.
Thanks,
Brian


Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexusindustry
So in this picture is there a whole in the metal to the outside? What I am saying, is was there a hole in the headers or was it that the welds were not that smooth?

As for the compensation I will get back to you on that I do not have the authority to do that and remember this is the first time this has happened so basically there is no policy set up for this. Ideally I would have gotten you a new header after you return the one you had to us and you would not have had to do any work on the header. I would have also like the header so that I could send it to Alphawerks so that they can cover it also that way we as the importers get compensated also.

Victor D.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PDX3.2TL
Below I am attaching two pictures of the internal welds from the headers that I purchased from the A-CL.com Group Buy. I am extremely dissatisfied with the quality of the connections. Can you please tell me if this is acceptable under your quality control standards? If not, how are you going to reimburse me for the money that I am spending to remedy the problem?

Thank your for your time,
Brian


HERE IS THE FINAL LETTER OF "F-U..."

"Ok...here is the information that I have on the headers...and I am going to present it to you...

The bottom line is that "burrs" are cosmetic, performance is not.

These headers are the same that everyone else has that has been very satisfied with the product in fit, seal, and power. Of all these persons only one has had even mentioned a resonance issue. I therefore believe that "resonance" should not be an issue. Warranty is provided on the header for one year. This will warranty any and all cracks in welds.

Given the background of the number of headers sold and the lack of resonance problems we can only reach one conclusion: the burrs are strictly cosmetic in a part of the header that no one will ever see, therefore it will function and deliver the power promised.

You can call us if you like and I will be more than happy to speak with you. 877 866 3987

Victor D.
Nexus Industry"

I am profoundly disappointed with my experience with Alphawerks. There WILL be a resonance problem. Thank you for your time Victor and you will never get a recommendation out of me ever... FUKIN THANKS VICTOR D. NEXUS INDUSTRY...

FOR ALL TO SEE AGAIN>>>....



Damn, I just got RIPPED the F*#K off.

 

Did you sell your header Veeral? I'm taking from your quote you did... heheh

 

Sorry Allmotor but....... I had the 1st set of AW headers here and...... I did bolt the name plate header on the front then banged the other on the back. It can be done and I did it. Needless to say the j pipe did not line up. I then had to reverse them and it worked perfect. I put this in the AW thread back in FEB 04. Do a search and you will see where I Warned about the name plate going on the back. It can be done and I did it.

 

I'm not just being one-sided 'cause I got AW Headers but this whole forum bashes everything thats not Comptech.

You would think that Comptech is lining some pockets around here.

 

I think he meant putting them on completely (the whole haeder assembly all the way to the cat.)

 

I've had the AW Headers for over a years with no problem. Here's 1 AW problem and all I see is C/T this and C/T that BS. OBX had problems and so did Stone. Never saw a distributor fron OBX or Stone post here. Who here works at C/T and can honestly state that not " ONE " C/T Header ever went back to C/T with a problem. Give AW a Break expert C/T guys. OK what about the C/T Springs ???? Not every CL owner is a member of this web site. S_ _ T Happens.

PS Anybody care to post a pic of the inside of a $1100 C/T Header for Compairson. I posted pics of the Aw back in Feb 04 and stated that you could get a $15 grinding tool from Pep Boys. I completly smooth ported mine in about a hour.

 

sorry to hear about this terrible customer service experience you had w/ victor d. at nexus industry. From what he has posted so far on this thread, and from the Pm's that you pasted from him , it seems as if he COMPLETELY dodged the issue, and is definitely NOT taking any responsiblity for the shoddy manufacturing of his $600 product. In my opinion, you can't just keep on saying "well, what do you expect? this is NOT the "expensive brand"....these are only $600." I really don't give a FCUK how much the "cheaper brand" is. If I were to make these headers, even I would know not to have any interior gaps , and to make sure that the edges were smooth and grinded out w/o burrs. It doesn't take 1 1/2 years of R&D to know this.

I just bought my CL-S 6spd w/ nav a little less than 6 months ago. I have done some minor mods to it, cusco tower brace and custom stereo/trunk.... and I'm definitely ready to drop some cash to boost up the performance now. After reading Vitctor's excuses for the bad header, I definitely WILL NOT buy anything from NEXUS or ALPHAWERKS. I don't care if the "less expensive" headers costed that member $99.00. It's NOT about the cost. It's about the shitty customer service. I'd rather pay $1000 for the "more expensive" header and know that I'm covered lifetime =)

 

At least he has the Balls to post here. He getting the carp beat out of him. Anybody have a weld fall apart yet ?

Port the AW's for $15. From JAN 04 https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...hlight=jgscott

 

[QUOTE=jgscott]At least he has the Balls to post here. He getting the carp beat out of him. Anybody have a weld fall apart yet ?

QUOTE]

it's good to see that ALPAHWERKS has asked at least one customer of theirs to stand up for their product =)

 

Here's what he said but.... I may have misunderstood
"You cannot swap the two manifolds - the angle of the flange is different. If you put the front one on the rear"
Not proud but I did it.

 

[QUOTE=clsal]Maybe it's me but... I saw a ton of people here and the Honda web that liked them. This guy did not even put the headers on yet and he claims a noise problem


PS you could have purchased the $1100 headers !

 

There was a fair amount of Comptech bashing during the “great spring rust debate of 2004” by everyone here including me.
I don’t hesitate to criticize when I see a problem.

 

How much R&D is there to pirating someone else’s design?
I mean, all you did was buy a set of Comptech’s, measure them and find a cheap way to manufacture.

And as for boasting about the stainless construction, there are MANY grades of stainless and some can corrode/fail just as fast as poor quality ASTM steel.

 

Okay, here it is. This is going to be the final say in this matter. The guys over at Nexus Industries originally installed AW header from the first batch on a V6 Accord and had no fitment issues, etc. To respond to this issue they have taken headers from the new batch and put it on the V6 Accord again with not fitment issues or oxygen sensors problems. They are sending me pictures and they have 2 videos to prove it. I will post those as soon as they send them.



Also, to Allmotor, I do not know for sure the issue with the header placement but as far as I know and as far as I understand the header with the label goes in the rear. If you were to take the header with the label and put it in the front then the flanges would not line up and you would create a leak and have a fitment issue. I am not certain but I guess we will find out today.

All this info obviously will not be enough so I will be using my car as a guinea pig. I have a '01 CL-S and I will be putting the Alpha Werks headers on my car to check fitment. I hope to finish the job today but I have a store to run so we'll see. I WILL POST THE RESULTS EITHER WAY. This will either break or make Alpha Werks so let's see.

As jgscott said, if you have a real issue with the burs then go get a grinding tool and debur the headers. You are asking for Comptech quality at half the price. Comptech is the highest quality you can get; I do not doubt that. But ask Comptech to make their headers at a lower cost and you will get the same product you are seeing or they will just tell you no. I know b/c I deal with them and they are not willing to budge on any prices. They are very strict b/c they do sell high quality products, but at high prices.

Josh
Excelerate LLC

Josh
Excelerate LLC

 

I agree with you to a extent Excelerate but alot of Comptechs cost is in R&D but as you also said quality.. At this point these AW headers are Copy-Cats of Comptechs and have less the cost of R&D.. If Comptech didn't have the R&D into the product I'm sure there headers would be cheaper..

I'm kind of partial because I work in Quality Control but alot of the problems should be standard shop practice that should be second hand knowledge to the machinists..

 

Both manifolds are not the same (at least on the one I put on Bobbydoedoe's car). There is NO WAY they can be swapped. If you reverse them, the following happens:

i. The flange on the front will touch the front motor-mount
ii. The flange on the rear sits over the axle

You cannot put the J-pipe on that way... its physically not possible. Every other OBX and AW header I have installed has had the label on the rear manifold. Just not this one. I actually put both manifolds on (with the labelled one in the rear), but the moment I got under the car, I realized the J-pipe would never fit.

Just mu $0.02.

 

The steel is T-304 Stainless-Steel. I will not rust or corrode. It is the standard in quality and why we use them.

PS...no pirating, just improvements that have yielded more power according to the dynos on this very forum, done independently by members of this forum.

Thank you,

Victor D.
Nexus Industry

 

Improvements over what? More power than what?

 

Let me further clarify there are no gaps in the header welds. If you want to fix the cosmetic problem on the inside that will not affect power/performance/durability/fitment then it costs $15 to buy a dremel. This would bring the total of your part to $615. It makes the most power of any part it is T-304 stainless steel and just has some cosmetic flaws on the inside that costs $15 to fix if you are extra picky. We are just trying to bring a product that outperforms all other on the market which is what we have done by the independent dynos on this forum of 30+ hp. If you want to spend $600 dollars more on a more expensive set of headers that will make less power that is your perogative because all it takes is $15 and it will not affect performance/durability.

Please listen I am a tuner and all I want to do is be here answering your questions and issues. If the issue would affect any aspect of performance/fitment/durability/power then it would be a warranty issue for us to take care of and make ALPHAWERKS foot the bill.

Our goal is customer service that you cannot get with any other company. This week I have logged 10 hours on this forum sending PM's and posting. No other company cares enough to do this and that is just the truth.

Again thank you for the opportunity to help you guys out if you have any questions just call and I am humbled by those on this forum that have kept the level of discussion sophisticated and have not bashed or used bad words but have presented issues in a mature fashion and have contacted us with any issue to find a solution.

All my best,
Victor

 

10 hours and 18 posts

 

so you're saying alphawerks headers outperform comptech headers?

 

they dont outperform IMO

 

Header dynos to prove power delivery. Feel free to dyno yours as these numbers will hold up considering these dynos were done with our prototype headers that due to time constraints of production did not have internals as smooth as the ones pictured here on this forum that had purely cosmetic imperfections. There are no gaps.

CHECK OUT THE PROTOYPE DYNOS:

30 HP AND 16 LBS/TQ.!!!!!


34 HP AND 26 LBS/TQ.!!!!!

 

You forgot to figure in labor. Even if doing it yourself, there is a opportunity cost associated with it. Depending on someones economic status, the amount will vary.

Just adding a little fuel...

Oh also, outperform is stretching it. You can't test a vehicle with one set and compare against other tests posted here. If you really take the time to R&D you would have picked up a set of Comptech headers and tested them on the same vehicle, the same day. Otherwise you shouldn't make misleading claims.

 

what car are those dynos for?

 

Dollar for dollar or even regardless of price I want to see the dynos that are better than these. I decided that instead of getting bashed here I would just let the numbers speak for themselves. There is no denying these especially since one of the dynos was done by a member of this forum.

As for 10 hours and 18 replys...I have spent hours pulling cars to retest fit when the original issue was installation...secondly I have PM'd almost everyone that has posted on this forum about any issue so that this tread doesnt get too big... ...but I am glad Renegade that you are happy with your product and enjoy it and drive it as hard as you want because it was built to last...enjoy the weekend..

Best to all,
Victor D.

 

The cars are an acura CL and the other car is an accord V6. I have other owners verify these numbers but these are the dynos that I have on file. If anyone here would like to send me there dynos I would greatly appreciate it.

As for getting a set of Comptech's to dyno the same day...they are way expensive and I am not going to make the company spend over $1200...this is the reason why we made these headers in the first place ... tuners were asking us for the part so we put the project together and did the work and come out with dollar for dollar or even regardless of price the most powerful setup of headers and even complemented the headers with a dual-catback exhaust that is designed to mate perfectly and increase performance of the header.

Take Care,

Victor D.

PS I am getting carpel tunnel from typing so much but keep the questions coming...its friday and it is still a couple of hours till happy hour.

 

As for the last post and mentioning another manufacturer, I do not like to do that I was just replying to another members post and stating an obvious fact of pricing. I hope that you all understand and I would not have mentioned the name of the manufacturer because I do not want to diminishe anyones credibility.

Victor

 

What type of flow analysis, pre or post was done to optimize the gains?? What were the IAT, ECT, Baro and Humidity readings on the dyno's posted??

I'm not debating, but I know I can make a stock car show gains of about 7lb/ft and about the same in HP without changing anything. The problem with pre and post tests is that normally a car is driven to a shop, strapped on the dyno and tested. They then swap out the parts and immediately retest. This is then invalid as the control conditions were not met to make before and after claims.

If the tests were controlled, that is very commendable. Then the subject data should be readily available.

 

So that dyno is with headers AND INTAKE. I am confident that Comptech gains that with only headers.

 

Why do you insist your dynos are done at the "independent" facility in Florida? Why not anywhere elese? I believe this was a question with the 350Z guys as well. Sounds fishy!

 

Wrong, the first batch of comptechs came out with alignment issues, and also had problems with the exhaust coupling. My OBX's never had an issue other than a slight resonance that went away when i purchased new exhaust gaskets.

 

Weird, my OBX's hzd the logo in the front and everything lined up.