A VW. It is the only car still made with a steel block. $4,000 in mods and an easy 400hp. On a car that you could drive everyday, with no reliability problems.

 

A VW? You must be kidding.....

 

Yes all that leather,cd, loaded for under $25,000. And you don't have to do a single thing to the block.

 

Model? Mods?

 

Ah, yes, that nice "Made in Mexico" quality

What do the VW's come with again-- was it a 2 or 3 whole year warranty?

 

Depends on what look for in a car.

I would get a Kia. Throw it away when it runs out of gas.

 

simlpe turbo upgrade, intercooler, boost controller 400hp. Wow 3 yr warranty and Acura offers a 4yr. See how long your car will run at anything over 8lbs boost.

 

And if your into the whole luxury thing which most of us our get A VW lux edition= Audi

 

How the hell does the warranty matter whe you are talking about making these type of mods?

 

Except it's ugly. Steel block is old engineering.

 

Got me on the ugly part some of the Jettas aren't that bad. Steel block old? yes but it works. New block aluminum lighter weight, but less strength. And it weighs roughly the same as our car.

 

They haven't changed the block because thay haven't needed to with turbo-tech they can make their car keep up with ours by simply making more power. Which makes up for weight difference. I was simply saying best car for money from the reliability, cost, power, fun to drive, point. Besides you would feel pretty sh*tty if you got dusted by a VW.

 

No I wouldn't because by pumping up the power on that thing reliability is down the tubes. VW DOES not make reliable cars.

 

If you crave that much power, I would go RWD or AWD. Not 400hp FWD. WRX or A4.

You can make anything go fast. If someone turboed a Kia and dusted people, they would still be driving a Kia. If you are going to feel sh*tty about losing, don't race.

 

No I wouldn't because by pumping up the power on that thing reliability is down the tubes. VW DOES
not make reliable cars.

You are probably comparing a turboed car to a non turboed car. Any non-turbo will be more reliable. But for a high boost turbo steel block is an easy way to go.

 

As you are comparing apples to oranges as well...and yes if your VW is pushing that much power...it is unreliable....trust me...have you ever worked on a turbo car once it's been upgraded!?!Just cuz the block can take the power doesnt mean the tranny, clutch, and and certain internals can...before 400hp..I bet you would snap the rods...among an exhaustive list of other things.

 

And parts are cheap, try replacing anything on our car and you are gonna pay

 

BWHAHAHAHAH....parts cheap? They're european cars....are we talking junk yards? Or dealers?

 

Yes, I am simply saying for a speed freak car. To build, race whatever that would be a easy cheap way to go. A lot of people here have been talking about turboing our car, but it is a waste of time as our engine will not handle much boost without making it unreliable.

 

you think their parts are more than ours?

 

yes.

 

Cheap? For that much money...you can buy a new WRX....for cheaper too. Not to mention all the good fast parts are cheaper too.

 

you may disagree, thats ok... I just think that would be a good way to go for a cheaper fast car.
CL-S 32,000 plus 10,000 in mods that produces 350 hp or 18,000 plus 4,000 in mods that produces 400 hp.

 

For 42,000-22,000= 20,000 how many parts can you buy with $20,000?

 

Ok now you are thinking WRX too,same thing. 2-3000 and you could have 350-400hp. Still cheaper than our car. I'm not arguing against you Moo. I'm just trying to open a few peoples eyes that if they were truly looking for a ricer they should have gotten something else. Something lighter perhaps. Not to say our car can't be fast with the right mods, but with the same mods a lot of other cars will be faster and cheaper.

 

Why not just buy an old Chevy Nova? I could get that to ~ 500hp/500tq and run streetable low 11s for under 10 g's.

 

True....he was talking about new cars...in which case...muscle cars come to mind..
But you run what you brung....ya know, it's the car you have and you bought it for other reasons than to race with..and people who want to make it a monster...more power to them...

 

Exactly, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Nova (or VW).

It just seemed kind of silly for him (Ultimac) to say that a 25k VW with 4k mods is the be all end all of performance/dollar.

 

Exactly my point as well....

 

sounds like someone been playing a little too much GT3.. reminds me of this guy wanting to add nitrous to a '00 CLK.. look nobody need 400hp or whatever your talking about.. once you pass the limits of what the chassis and drivetrain will handle and more importantly what you as a driver can handle, there is no point.. unless you goto RWD or preferable AWD there is no good that can come from going past 300hp.. on a fwd the front wheels would need to be wider to provide more traction which in turn would make steering harder.. on a awd car 4 tires are sharing the torque load equally (assuming 50/50 split) and they wont need to be as wide and they will give you much better control..

at the end of the day this 400hp car or whatever still has to be driven.. and if it handles like crap and you can't control it then it might as whell have 40hp.. because it is just as useful..

i would say 99% of most mod-crazy people would be much faster if they took driving classes and learned how to control the car at the limit rather then wasting money on mods which negatively affect the longevity of their cars..