Dan Martin

http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com/

Coming spring 2007?

Never heard of these guys before.

jmathew34

hmm it's about a 4-hr drive...maybe CCC can check it out...it's about 2hrs from state college...what do you say CCC, wanna check it out?

jmathew34

and i wonder if they have the lag associated with the comptech s/c between 2-3k...

stevezilla

sweet jeebus... 280 hp?

jmathew34

^^ yeah i saw that as well...i sent them an email to post on our forum...not sure if they will reply....

this is real interesting b/c they use the Rotex s/c just like jackson racing does...

anyone want to buy my s/c kit? LOL

Tsx536

Jackson Racing uses the same blower as we have on their K series.
As far as I know there is only one guy running a Rotex blower on a RSX.

From what I've heard the Rotex is a great blower though. It's suppose to run more efficiently than the Eaton M62. I can't wait until this product is released. The thing I'm the most curious about is the engine management being used.

So no one has every heard of them before? There's gotta be a least someone out there with some info It says they already have a TSX test car, but are looking for other test cars.

I also home these guys seek CARB approval since I'm in Cali + 1

Reach

Nice find! We can only hope they come through now.

jmathew34

it looks like they are a hondata dealer too..so maybe hondata is working with them on the engine management...with our luck it will be a reflash with a piggyback unit...LOL

Tsx536

^^ LOL. You're probably right. Although, I wonder if they would be able to get away with a reflash only. If I remember correctly, Hondata said one of the limitations they had with the TSX ECU was being able to add fuel under boost conditions. That's why we have a darn piggyback.

Here's more info and pics of the Rotrex blower, along with intercooler. The intercooler in this thread is a top mount one though.
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread...ghlight=rotrex

jdepasqu2

Dallas..., PA..................., sweet...., not to far away. It sucks that its for 06'+...., and I have an 05'................ well what ya gonna do..., ill just have to replace my 05' motor when it craps out in like 200,000 miles... (6-7 years)........, then ill be ready to mod the shit out of my car......, with all types of goddies from the future...... cant wait till I can have a nibble..., sleek, 300 hp car......, from all that money that I wont be paying towards my car payment....... SO WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK OF THIS PRODUCT/MANUFACTURER....?

RaCeR4LiFe022

370 if intercooled... ahhhh i want!
im going to call them tommarow and see if they can give me any info on the kit

Redshiftmotorsports

It will be nice setup. Should be our second development kit after the 06 civic si kit. Nice flow rates on the charger and great efficeny. Questions? NOT a top mount intercooler

Reach

Great to have you on our forum. I look forward to being a customer!

Redshiftmotorsports

We look forward to having you Should be a few weeks for the tsx kit to be done. I know I can't wait I own both the tsx and the new si so I am looking forward to it as much as you guys

Reach

Can you answer the questions about how you will be doing ECU and fuel management? Will you be working with hondata on a custom ECU flash & piggyback setup similar to Comptech's, or will there be something more to it?

Redshiftmotorsports

Probably one of those. Hoping the 06 si will help with some ideas for tuning the tsx, and the si is coming along nicley.

Oh yeah were east coast so we probably will never need/want c.a.r.b exemption but..who knows.

Naskhan

so this kit is only for the 06 tsx??

jaehshim

thank you God
370 hp at vtec revving up the redlines

Tsx536

Welcome to the forum

How many PSI will your setup be?
So you'll be doing a front mount intercooler? Nice!

Do you have any pics of the Si setup by chance?

drunkenbuda

Man, this is such good news for us TSX.
Please let it be a front mouth intercooler!

Dice

Could the superchrager be customized to fit an 05? Or is it too different?

hyun

i was considering trading my tsx for an rsx but now i think i might want to keep it...


omg

damnit i wish u guys had a shop in georgia.

tlbkcal

370 bhp...damn can you say torque steer?

S14 n Tsx

wow! great news...Is this kit for 06 only? I mean its little early to say but wondering if this kit can fit on 04-05 models.

edit: group buy??

CCColtsicehockey

sorry been covering SEMA all day. Definitely going to check these guys out tomorrow morning at SEMA and talk to them about working with them on a supercharger to be completed. That is sweet that they are so close. Maybe if I give them my car for a while they can finish it by like the spring.

CCColtsicehockey

definitely will do its a little more than 2 hours from me.

Benz_05_TSX

iTrader: (1)

370bhp?? dat just amazed me!!!

Benz_05_TSX

iTrader: (1)

but CCC, this ain't JDM y0!!! hahaha

rmpage

Well it is a centrifugal compressor, not a Roots blower, and those are 30-40% more efficient at compressing the charge without heating it up too much because they do it dynamically inside the housing, as opposed to a Roots, which blows more air into the hot manifold than the engine can pump out. Their boost curve is completely different from a blower...they generally don't start building boost until 3-4k and don't peak until you're at redline. Good for top end where you can keep the engine revved to the moon. Not necessarily so good for a daily driver, especially on small engines that don't make much torque off-boost like in the TSX. Look at the dyno for Comptech's centrifugal SC for the S2000 and you'll see what I mean.

Probably unnecessary. Centrifugal compressors don't get very hot. Not even the hot-running Roots blower Comptech uses at 5 lbs needs any intercooler at all, so this certainly will not. Only after you figure out a way to control bigger injectors and possibly drop your compression ratio a bit will you need to start looking into serious intercooling.

godfather2

^ good info, as always. you guys can have a supercharger, all i want is hondata ...

jdepasqu2

so this type of setup provides less power @ lower rpms. than the comptech setup....???? Not sure if thats for me then......, I'd want to get one to try to help with the lack of torq in the tsx...., even though it wont be much....

JTso

iTrader: (2)

It may not be necessary to use an intercooler with low boost but it definitely wouldn't hurt. The cooler air reduces the amount of fuel needed to create the "cooling" effect to combat detonation. At the same time, you can probably run slightly less retarded timing and increase boost for more power as the chance of detonation is reduced with the cooler air.

RedShiftChris

Hi everyone,
I'm Chris from RedShift. Looks like Greg also chimed in already. These kits are under development, but we are looking at doing an accelerated development. Only concern is we don't want to go too fast. It has to be right.

The Rotrex is a great charger. I think you will all really love it. We've been looking at it and doing research for awhile now. Not many people even know what it is.

The bhp numbers are brake hp. Mult by .88 and you'll get approx whp numers. So 370 bhp is about 325 whp. And the 280 bhp base system will come in around 250 whp. Those are quite realistic for a good kit.

The big different from the eaton kits (jackson and comptech) is that a roots blower is great up to about 8 psi. Then it gets worse. It's downright ugly at 15+ psi. But the Rotrex has the same efficiency at 20 psi that the roots has a 10 psi. That will allow power power, safely.

I know there are alot of questions you guys have. I can tell you that we are very small. There is only 3 of us. Me (Chris), John, and Greg. There is also another person I can't name because he works elsewhere, but he is involved as a consultant and is an award winning engineer who has worked for years on 4cyl platforms for a premier manufacturer.

I am 37 and a product of Honda R&D where I coordinated new car development certain models.....my biggest project you may know is the MDX. I also worked on the 2 door accord and a sliver on the Pilot. I've been to the Honda headquarters in Japan and seen what the public doesn't get to.... spent time at the test track in Hokkaido Japan to... not to mention TRC in Ohio and the Marysville plant. Oh, and I'm also big into autocrossing.... even won a national championship a few years back.... so we can also setup a suspension as well as anyone.

It's hard to know what products at this level are good sometimes...but I can gaurantee all of you that I started this business 4 years ago with the intention of doing great things.... world leading things....and I'm banking on the success of these kits. They will be better than anything else out there now, and you will all see that soon. For now, if you come to visit, expect a crappy 1200 sq ft facility that keeps us warm but not much else. And no kidding aside, if anyone know of an investor that may be interested in this business, please let me know. We have alot of work to do and are continuing to raise money to make this happen.

Thanks for reading. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Chris at RedShift
http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com

moda_way

^^Knowing this, you'll definitely have the support of this community. Keep us up to date and I'm sure we can always provide test beds.

I'm going to PM you to see if you ever worked with a family member in Marysville.

tsxdriver

welcome! keep us updated!!

jiggaman

keep up the good work man!

Reach

Great to have you here. You will have many supporters among us, and eventually a few customers too I'm sure.

JTso

iTrader: (2)

Good luck on the development. Can't wait to see the final product.

simplyscion

so what are you guys doing as far as engine management?? Thats what I really would like to know. Are you able to tune under closed loop? What kind of A/F ratio's are you hitting at that 325whp mark? Forget the last 2 questions, Im just really more concerned with the engine management

PACman

This is great news!! Keep up the work, and I look forward to seeing the final product. :gheywave: