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11-11-2006, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RedShiftChris
Hi to all TSX owners,
One question we have for all you is about what power levels to offer for TSX owners...and other applications as well. We've just been promoting "base" and "intercooled" kits , but I think there may be value in stages or the like based on several requests for different things we've gotten. Our thought is the following...and remember that each kit is upgradeable to any level above it.
Stage 1) 5 PSI Base Kit - 260 bhp - $3900
Stage 2) 9 PSI Intercooled Kit - 310 bhp - $4400
Stage 3) 12 PSI Intercooled Kit - 370 bhp - $4900 (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor)
Stage 4) 16-22 PSI Intercooled Race Kits - 420-500 bhp - $5400 includes headgasket for 9:1 compression and arp head stud replacement. (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor. upgraded pistons and rods required for anything over 16 psi most likely.)
....btw 16 psi or more is very doable with just lowering the compression with a thicker headgasket.... without building the bottom of the engine, but you'll need to upgrade the clutch obviously. Trans durability is a question mark too.
So, knowing this, what would you actually do??? I know everyone wants the most power they think is reasonable for their needs, but based on price and power, which one would you actually purchase. And keep in mind that the 450 bhp system would be almost dangerous and would be only for highly modified street cars, show cars, or track cars.
And I can see the questions flowing in already....this is not about getting specific.... just knowing what you see above, what kit would be your choice? The answers will help us understand TSX owners.
Cheers to all!
Chris at RedShift
One question we have for all you is about what power levels to offer for TSX owners...and other applications as well. We've just been promoting "base" and "intercooled" kits , but I think there may be value in stages or the like based on several requests for different things we've gotten. Our thought is the following...and remember that each kit is upgradeable to any level above it.
Stage 1) 5 PSI Base Kit - 260 bhp - $3900
Stage 2) 9 PSI Intercooled Kit - 310 bhp - $4400
Stage 3) 12 PSI Intercooled Kit - 370 bhp - $4900 (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor)
Stage 4) 16-22 PSI Intercooled Race Kits - 420-500 bhp - $5400 includes headgasket for 9:1 compression and arp head stud replacement. (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor. upgraded pistons and rods required for anything over 16 psi most likely.)
....btw 16 psi or more is very doable with just lowering the compression with a thicker headgasket.... without building the bottom of the engine, but you'll need to upgrade the clutch obviously. Trans durability is a question mark too.
So, knowing this, what would you actually do??? I know everyone wants the most power they think is reasonable for their needs, but based on price and power, which one would you actually purchase. And keep in mind that the 450 bhp system would be almost dangerous and would be only for highly modified street cars, show cars, or track cars.
And I can see the questions flowing in already....this is not about getting specific.... just knowing what you see above, what kit would be your choice? The answers will help us understand TSX owners.
Cheers to all!
Chris at RedShift
11-11-2006, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Redshiftmotorsports
They also dumped the returnless fuel system. Which probably made tuning easier for them. I can imagine install is more difficult 
11-11-2006, 09:41 AM
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The way I see it, if you're already paying a bunch of $$$ to get an SC setup, might as well just buy a 5AT ECU off an 04 owner. If I was in that situation, I'd put up a WTB ad in the black market section.
Then again, if you're talking only reflash + bolt ons, not worth it IMO. If you're doing the SC setup, it will be a completely different car with more potential with bigger injectors, intercooler, etc.
Or who knows? There just might be an 04 5AT owner who want to part their car out? You could just swap ECU's for near the retail price.
Then again, if you're talking only reflash + bolt ons, not worth it IMO. If you're doing the SC setup, it will be a completely different car with more potential with bigger injectors, intercooler, etc.
Or who knows? There just might be an 04 5AT owner who want to part their car out? You could just swap ECU's for near the retail price.
I personally don't plan on going FI, so I probably wouldn't fork over ~1500 for an ECU and reflash. Just not worth it like you said.I'm not saying never though.....
11-11-2006, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RedShiftChris
Stage 1) 5 PSI Base Kit - 260 bhp - $3900
Stage 2) 9 PSI Intercooled Kit - 310 bhp - $4400
Stage 3) 12 PSI Intercooled Kit - 370 bhp - $4900 (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor)
Stage 4) 16-22 PSI Intercooled Race Kits - 420-500 bhp - $5400 includes headgasket for 9:1 compression and arp head stud replacement. (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor. upgraded pistons and rods required for anything over 16 psi most likely.)
11-11-2006, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Redshiftmotorsports
Probably one of those. Hoping the 06 si will help with some ideas for tuning the tsx, and the si is coming along nicley.
Oh yeah were east coast so we probably will never need/want c.a.r.b exemption but..who knows.
Oh yeah were east coast so we probably will never need/want c.a.r.b exemption but..who knows.
11-11-2006, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
Well, that makes sense to me. I mean, why would you want people from a tiny state like CA to buy your product?
11-11-2006, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by simplyscion
there will never be a big enough demand for these cars to make it worthwhile to spend all the money on making the kits C.A.R.B exempt. It costs A LOT of money to pass C.A.R.B
I know these guys arent as big as Comptech, but they did it for their kit.
11-11-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
Its not just CA that follows CARB rules, there are several other states now that follow these rules and there are more to come.
I know these guys arent as big as Comptech, but they did it for their kit.
I know these guys arent as big as Comptech, but they did it for their kit.
11-11-2006, 12:34 PM
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To add to the early polling, I would be most interested in a stage 3 setup if it were to be available for an 06 AT TSX. However, I feel its only fair to add that I'm not likely to be one of your first customers, so that may not be where the demand is. I am aggressively paying off my car, so it will be mine around the end of 07. After that I am likely to get a second car and really start tuning on the TSX if the kits are available and the possibilities are nice.
11-11-2006, 12:37 PM
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from what I have been hearing from you guys in my short time being here, I would really start worrying about looking into ESK's and valvebody upgrades at those power levels...it seems Honda's trannys are pathetic 
11-11-2006, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Redshiftmotorsports
350 and below the stock tranny should be ok, we will know if I still have one in my TSX after that is when we will probably look into those upgrades.
after that is when we will probably look into those upgrades.
11-11-2006, 01:56 PM
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I would be in for a stage 2 kit definitly.
11-11-2006, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RedShiftChris
btw, just to clarify a thing or 2..... our understanding from Doug at Hondata is that they are working hard on the TSX ecu so we can do a RedShift/Hondata reflash on it too. The 06 Civic Si is already completely understood by them and we'll be able to do tuning under boost. But Doug is working on his TSX (he drives one as his personal vehicle apparently) at a feverish rate so it should be reflash-able to our expectations....but apparently it's not quite far enough along for what we need. I'm hoping Hondata will have it ironed out soon ...that would make things much easier for everyone... manual and auto trans owner alike.
Originally Posted by RedShiftChris
Stage 1) 5 PSI Base Kit - 260 bhp - $3900
Stage 2) 9 PSI Intercooled Kit - 310 bhp - $4400
Stage 3) 12 PSI Intercooled Kit - 370 bhp - $4900 (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor)
Stage 4) 16-22 PSI Intercooled Race Kits - 420-500 bhp - $5400 includes headgasket for 9:1 compression and arp head stud replacement. (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor. upgraded pistons and rods required for anything over 16 psi most likely.)
Stage 2) 9 PSI Intercooled Kit - 310 bhp - $4400
Stage 3) 12 PSI Intercooled Kit - 370 bhp - $4900 (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor)
Stage 4) 16-22 PSI Intercooled Race Kits - 420-500 bhp - $5400 includes headgasket for 9:1 compression and arp head stud replacement. (would require upgraded clutch add $900 for parts and labor. upgraded pistons and rods required for anything over 16 psi most likely.)
Stage 1 229 whp $3900
Stage 2 272 whp $4400
Stage 3 326 whp $4900
Stage 4 370whp-440 whp $5400
Sounds great. The number for the stage 1 kit seems a little low, but I'm guessing it will be a little higher when it's all said and done
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why does stage 1 seem low...you gotta look at how many 's C.F.M.'s this blower is putting out and its obviously not at its most efficient point running 5 psi...I think those numbers are great depending where the power curve falls. Dont forget, more power is just a pulley away...its all about useable power...what good is it if your putting down 250whp but dont make it till 6000RPM's...Id much rather have a 230whp plateau where my power is on tap throughout the whole RPM range...Nevermind whp numbers, ft/lbs is what we should really be looking at cause everyone knows thats where these dam honda's lack their luster.
11-11-2006, 02:49 PM
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11-11-2006, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Redshiftmotorsports
Probably one of those. Hoping the 06 si will help with some ideas for tuning the tsx, and the si is coming along nicley.
Oh yeah were east coast so we probably will never need/want c.a.r.b exemption but..who knows.
Oh yeah were east coast so we probably will never need/want c.a.r.b exemption but..who knows.
twin blowers? and intercooled? I have a 3.2 CL-P. Mods are as follows on my car. I would love to have a blower putting out more power than Comptech.
11-11-2006, 04:06 PM
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BTW this is Greg An LSD is never NEEDED, but obviously a nice feature Man now I need to get one of those for my TSX now that you mention it :p
The Hp numbers may or may not change, but Stage 1 is a non intercooled setup to keep costs down and the power will still be VERY linear!!
Obviously torque will be improved and especially on the 2.4 compared to the 2.0 Civic engine.
An LSD is never NEEDED, but obviously a nice feature Man now I need to get one of those for my TSX now that you mention it :pThe Hp numbers may or may not change, but Stage 1 is a non intercooled setup to keep costs down and the power will still be VERY linear!!
Obviously torque will be improved and especially on the 2.4 compared to the 2.0 Civic engine.
11-12-2006, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsx536
The Stage 2 kit seems like it would be the most popular. So you're expecting the following numbers at the wheels for the 6MT Manual model?
Stage 1 229 whp $3900
Stage 2 272 whp $4400
Stage 3 326 whp $4900
Stage 4 370whp-440 whp $5400
Sounds great. The number for the stage 1 kit seems a little low, but I'm guessing it will be a little higher when it's all said and done
Stage 1 229 whp $3900
Stage 2 272 whp $4400
Stage 3 326 whp $4900
Stage 4 370whp-440 whp $5400
Sounds great. The number for the stage 1 kit seems a little low, but I'm guessing it will be a little higher when it's all said and done
However, without CARB approval, that would be enough to make me lean toward the Comptech setup. My days of finding a shady garage to commit fraud when my smog is required are long over.
11-12-2006, 05:35 PM
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Honestly, why aren't more people going for his stage 3, for nearly the same money and additional power improvements?
Again, I'd totally be up for a stage 3, maybe about a year from now.
Again, I'd totally be up for a stage 3, maybe about a year from now.
11-12-2006, 06:47 PM
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Honestly, why aren't more people going for his stage 3, for nearly the same money and additional power improvements?
Again, I'd totally be up for a stage 3, maybe about a year from now.
Again, I'd totally be up for a stage 3, maybe about a year from now.
1. the additional cost and parts that would be required for stage 3(clutch & whatever else)
2. gas mileage
3. stage 2 is upgradable if i change my mind
11-12-2006, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Reach
Honestly, why aren't more people going for his stage 3, for nearly the same money and additional power improvements?
Again, I'd totally be up for a stage 3, maybe about a year from now.
Again, I'd totally be up for a stage 3, maybe about a year from now.
11-12-2006, 07:44 PM
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i made a thread in the CL forum about these spuerchargers. i think alot of the guys there would like your imput on a supercharger for them. thanks.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184906
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184906
11-13-2006, 12:12 AM
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Oh, and I'm also big into autocrossing.... even won a national championship a few years back.... so we can also setup a suspension as well as anyone.
11-13-2006, 12:27 AM
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How many labor hours do you guys think this would take a good shop to install? I'm definitely not gonna try to tackle something like this myself and $4400 is already pretty steep for me
11-13-2006, 01:50 AM
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No idea on the labor hours yet really, but I'll guess based on industry norms that non-intercooled will be 6 hours and non-intercooled will be 12 hours... something like that.
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