White92

They have reflashes for the 02-04 base RSX and they introduced the RDX reflash recently. While I think it's awesome what they are doing for the tuning industry, I still think there is more of a demand for the 07,08 TSX than for a base RSX.

Si_2_TSX

Yes, the RDX reflash confused me a little. If they produce according to the tuner market, how many RDX tuners are there out there? Currently I haven't seen an RDX racing on the street or track.

Maybe it is a sign of things to come with upcoming Acura/Honda's model line up?

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

that's the thing. they might produce according to the tuner market (would be hard to ignore the civic), but maybe the RDX was reflashed b/c it was easy to, or the opportunity presented itself (with church automotive), or they wanted to tackle the turbo? who knows. we can speculate forever.

TommySalami

Or maybe that engine is gonna be in other cars, like maybe the TSX?

White92

I heard that they are, but they're using the 07-08 TSX ecu.

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

is this someone on a-zine? DIRECT LINK

'Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: Playing games with TSX ECUs

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I feel as if I'm beating a dead horse on this forum, considering Hondata is so tight-lipped about their products. Whether details aren't shared for trade-secret or legal reasons I'm not sure, but some insight into things would be absolutely awesome here. Because I can't seem to tune the '07 TSX whatsoever (don't have a K-Pro, which I'd really prefer, I don't have a Reflash, don't have any of the fun Hondata goodies that even make tuning possible,) I've decided to play around with ECUs. From what I've found online, the part number on the '07 ECU is 37820-RBB-A21, while the old '06 ECU is A04. The A04 is currently flashable while the A21 appears never to be (for some reason unknown to me, as I don't have both ECUs sitting in front of me.)

Pretty much, I should be able to swap the A21 where the A04 is, and retain usable functionality, minus the TPMS technology. But why the lack of 'recommendation' in this case? Is it simply for liability reasons, or are the fuel / cam / other engine control maps really different between the A04 and/or A21 ECUs? I take it you guys have been able to mess around with both of them, and unless the A21 is a total black-box, have some idea of the functionality both of them have.

I guess I have two options: try it and see if my K24 goes boom (which likely it won't) or go get something F22C-powered instead. Or, maybe, in a rare case, Hondata will shed some light onto the A04/A21 disparity. (Maybe I can also dream of a K-Pro that works properly with the TSX?) '

dthondatune

Add my name to this. 2008 TSX on it's way!

LaZyPiGgY

I think the best way for us the consumer to gain anything from Hondata, or anything for our cars to tune would be for a rival company to start up. They need competition to do anything.

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

fyi, i'm not updating the list on hondata's forum just in the off-chance we happen to piss them off and they decide to never reflash the 07+. they're not a fan of coersion or people ganging up on them to push a product out from what i can tell in other forum posts (which is why they don't comment on any developments, ever). granted, it's only an interest list and i think the means was a lot more civil than bombarding them with emails or phonecalls, i still don't want to aggravate them.

the list is up there, and they noted our request a few posts in.

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

here is some random/interesting information about the differences between the RSX and TSX ecu's. maybe it's old knowledge, but i stumbled across it perusing . it has more to do with k-pro, but it still explains the differences between ecus.

'It is our observation that Honda is internally broken down into Civic/Integra and Prelude/Accord camps. The Civic/Integra line used much the same ECU, mostly B series engines, similar wiring harness etc which made life easy. The Prelude/Accord camp did the same stuff differently (usually worse) and the ECUs were completely different. Now the Integra/Civic line has adopted the K series engine (remember that acura & RSX only exist in the US for marketing purposes) and the TSX seems to designed by a different group of people - who are now the TSX/Accord camp. Hence one engine, two different ECUs.'

TommySalami

I'm really starting to have my doubts as to whether we'll ever have a reflash. Oh well, it's not that huge of a deal to me anyways

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

it still hasn't been that long since the 07 release. i'm still going to hope for it, but i'm really lowering my expectations. in the meantime, i think i'll get some engine bolt-on mods like a header next year.

popdakebin

Yea, I wish they had the 07 one reflashed. I just got intake n exhuast and want that lower rpm vtec =(

backtoreality15

Hondata Reflash for 2007/08 TSX List
1. Seth August - Madison, WI
2. Edward Sison Cuteguy1414 - Minneapolis, Minnesota
3. Dinis Passarinho - GiftMonster - Yonkers, NY
4. John Chang - NY, NY
5. Eugene Kong - Toronto, Ontario
6. Ahmed Nassef - SlickRAB - Woodside, NY
7. Mike Lee - LA, CA
8. Mike Lee - Torrance, CA
9. Eric Reyes - San Diego CA
10. Geoffrey Chu - Rockville, MD
11. K. Vieira - FR, MA
12. Johnathan Crispino - Houston, TX
13. Terry Mac - San Jose, CA
14. Evan Brull - Jacksonville, FL
15. Rithy Sam - Long Beach, Cali
16. Justin Mijal - Detroit, MI
17. Michael Frohnen - San Ramon, CA
18. Mike Morales - Los Angeles, CA
19. Ken Macaranas - Walnut, CA
20. Thomas Oeun - Olympia, WA
21. Jason Siu - Los Angeles, CA
22. Mitch T. - Pearl River, NY
23. Wilmer Russi - Miramar, FL
24. Dominic Giuffre - Milwaukee, WI
25. Alan Peabody - Burlington, VT
26. Alan Ima - Vancouver, BC
27. Tuan Vo - Houston, TX
28. Tom Layton - Millersville, MD
29. Dave D. - Chicago, IL
30. Chris Conrady - San Marcos, CA
31. C. Gorczyca - Alexandria, VA
32. sixspeedCL9 (please add your name/location)
33. Jordan Sculnick - Brooklyn NY
34. Ace Mhire - Lake Charles, LA
35. M. Worozbyt - Baltimore, MD
36. G. Gupta - Toronto, Ontario
37. Richard Yu - Rowland Heights, CA
38. B. Biswas - Columbus, Ohio
39. E. Bond – Palo Alto, CA
40. J. Depasquale, PA
41. J. Olmstead, MI
42. T. Ly - Toronto, Ontario
43. Andrew Kimura, Sacramento, CA.
44. Daniel Koffer, FL
45. Brian Davis - Indianapolis, IN
46. Dom P. - Bronx, NY
47. Kingston Y. - S.F., CA
48. M. Anderson - Minneapolis MN
49. Adam R. - Houston, TX
50. Justin W. - Durham, NC
51. Michael L. - Canada, AB
52. Joe L. - North Jersey
53. Paul C. -Washington, D.C
54. Nicholas L. -SF,CA
55. Denny Trujillo - Los Angeles, CA
56. J. Macko, Lake Forest, CA
57. Tom M.- Baltimore, MD
58. Jim Mulvey - (please add location)
59. Orlando Aguirre - Smyrna, TN
60. Danni Pavlovsky - Los Angeles, CA
61. Jorge Rosales - Los Angeles, CA
62. Kevin Tang - San Gabriel, CA
63. Thomas Basso - Chicago, IL
64. Amit Sekhon - Los Angles,CA
65. Khoi Pham - Austin, TX
66. Eric W. - Honolulu, HI
67. Craig, SLC, UT
68. N. Patel Irvine, CA

Wisc Badger

Anyone heard anything new?

on a side note, I found a reflash for my 328... trouble is that you only get an 11hp kick out of it for $599... these bimmers are so resistant to upgrades. oh well.

You guys should all throw a party when Hondata finally comes out with one for the TSX

mltk53

for real dude. if and when it finally comes out, ima go crazy! lol we should have an 07/08 reflashed meet/party.

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

i have not heard anything.

but i did find that the TL supposedly has a reflash that's still in the works (in the TL forum), and the fit's ecu is reprogrammable so a reflash is possible (hondata forum).

:sigh: i really wish there was an option for us.

925tsx

Hey hondata, can you guys get moving on this already.
geeeeeez.

CGTSX07

everytime i see this thread bumped, i get a glimmer of hope.

and then I get dissapointed...

Wisc Badger

i think we've all gotten that feeling

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

when someone asked about the fit ecu they said they had 'many other projects to round off before considering new vehicles.'

i would guess that k-pro for the 2006+ civics and any sort of reflash/k-pro for the s2k might be the projects they're referring to? but i'd love to know if the TSX 07+ reflash is lumped in that group. i'm afraid to ask. they don't like ppl calling. they don't like ppl emailing. they don't like ppl rallying friends or lists.

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

*newer s2k's

White92

So we have 68 people on our list now that said they will buy it. Even if Hondata releases our reflash and only 45 people end up buying it, I'm sure that's still more than RDX reflashes they've sold.

I still find it hard to believe that Hondata works this way. They are really upset/annoyed that people try contacting them to let them know we like they're company and would like a product made for our car? Some of these posts make it sound like Hondata will come in the middle of the night and "off" us if we bother them too much.

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

can't speak for how hondata prioritizes their projects.

but i'd imagine probably 1/2 the ppl on this reflsh list have forgotten about it. just b/c we have 68+ interested doesn't necessarily mean even 1/2 will commit. that's just the law of averages.

all you can do is wait. unless someone wants to just ask them in a civil fashion if they're still considering a reflash for the 07+.

otherwise, just hope if there happens to be a k-pro option for the new civics, the TSX might benefit from that breakthrough. it's a lot of if's and hopes.

925tsx

im caling them today

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

lol. ask if they're considering it.

mdkxtreme

maybe this is a good thing? hondata voids the warranty dont they? so i guess it's good that its not out yet because i wouldnt want to void my warranty. i want to atleast wait until my warranty is up to fully do whatever i want with the tsx

Wisc Badger

they wont answer you 925... they always beat around the bush o they don't have to actually say " We have better shit to do that mess with the 07/08 TSX's.

I've emailed them 5 seperate times and called twice... always the same answer.

"We don't comment on future products before they are finished"

too bad they're losing customers in the process... i'm not buying one anymore

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

it doesn't void your warranty if the dealership doesn't know about it. and if you're getting a reflash, i'm sure you have other mods already in your car that the dealership can accuse of voiding your warranty.

badger: lol, being that you now have a bimmer, i wouldn't expect you to purchase anything from hondata.

925tsx

i did.
He said he couldnt comment.
i was like ahhhhhh k peace

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

oh well. worth the try i guess.

Wisc Badger

obviously

DAYTA

Speaking of, shouldn't your avatar pic be of a 328xi ?

Wisc Badger

it should and eventually will be, im trying to finish up some mods and junk... then i'll be taking my own pics.

i just like this one a lot cuz it what i wish i could have gotten.

buddylie

Hondata Reflash for 2007/08 TSX List
1. Seth August - Madison, WI
2. Edward Sison Cuteguy1414 - Minneapolis, Minnesota
3. Dinis Passarinho - GiftMonster - Yonkers, NY
4. John Chang - NY, NY
5. Eugene Kong - Toronto, Ontario
6. Ahmed Nassef - SlickRAB - Woodside, NY
7. Mike Lee - LA, CA
8. Mike Lee - Torrance, CA
9. Eric Reyes - San Diego CA
10. Geoffrey Chu - Rockville, MD
11. K. Vieira - FR, MA
12. Johnathan Crispino - Houston, TX
13. Terry Mac - San Jose, CA
14. Evan Brull - Jacksonville, FL
15. Rithy Sam - Long Beach, Cali
16. Justin Mijal - Detroit, MI
17. Michael Frohnen - San Ramon, CA
18. Mike Morales - Los Angeles, CA
19. Ken Macaranas - Walnut, CA
20. Thomas Oeun - Olympia, WA
21. Jason Siu - Los Angeles, CA
22. Mitch T. - Pearl River, NY
23. Wilmer Russi - Miramar, FL
24. Dominic Giuffre - Milwaukee, WI
25. Alan Peabody - Burlington, VT
26. Alan Ima - Vancouver, BC
27. Tuan Vo - Houston, TX
28. Tom Layton - Millersville, MD
29. Dave D. - Chicago, IL
30. Chris Conrady - San Marcos, CA
31. C. Gorczyca - Alexandria, VA
32. sixspeedCL9 (please add your name/location)
33. Jordan Sculnick - Brooklyn NY
34. Ace Mhire - Lake Charles, LA
35. M. Worozbyt - Baltimore, MD
36. G. Gupta - Toronto, Ontario
37. Richard Yu - Rowland Heights, CA
38. B. Biswas - Columbus, Ohio
39. E. Bond – Palo Alto, CA
40. J. Depasquale, PA
41. J. Olmstead, MI
42. T. Ly - Toronto, Ontario
43. Andrew Kimura, Sacramento, CA.
44. Daniel Koffer, FL
45. Brian Davis - Indianapolis, IN
46. Dom P. - Bronx, NY
47. Kingston Y. - S.F., CA
48. M. Anderson - Minneapolis MN
49. Adam R. - Houston, TX
50. Justin W. - Durham, NC
51. Michael L. - Canada, AB
52. Joe L. - North Jersey
53. Paul C. -Washington, D.C
54. Nicholas L. -SF,CA
55. Denny Trujillo - Los Angeles, CA
56. J. Macko, Lake Forest, CA
57. Tom M.- Baltimore, MD
58. Jim Mulvey - (please add location)
59. Orlando Aguirre - Smyrna, TN
60. Danni Pavlovsky - Los Angeles, CA
61. Jorge Rosales - Los Angeles, CA
62. Kevin Tang - San Gabriel, CA
63. Thomas Basso - Chicago, IL
64. Amit Sekhon - Los Angles,CA
65. Khoi Pham - Austin, TX
66. Eric W. - Honolulu, HI
67. Craig, SLC, UT
68. N. Patel Irvine, CA
69. Roger Lie, San Jose, CA

EuroR08

Hondata Reflash for 2007/08 TSX List
1. Seth August - Madison, WI
2. Edward Sison Cuteguy1414 - Minneapolis, Minnesota
3. Dinis Passarinho - GiftMonster - Yonkers, NY
4. John Chang - NY, NY
5. Eugene Kong - Toronto, Ontario
6. Ahmed Nassef - SlickRAB - Woodside, NY
7. Mike Lee - LA, CA
8. Mike Lee - Torrance, CA
9. Eric Reyes - San Diego CA
10. Geoffrey Chu - Rockville, MD
11. K. Vieira - FR, MA
12. Johnathan Crispino - Houston, TX
13. Terry Mac - San Jose, CA
14. Evan Brull - Jacksonville, FL
15. Rithy Sam - Long Beach, Cali
16. Justin Mijal - Detroit, MI
17. Michael Frohnen - San Ramon, CA
18. Mike Morales - Los Angeles, CA
19. Ken Macaranas - Walnut, CA
20. Thomas Oeun - Olympia, WA
21. Jason Siu - Los Angeles, CA
22. Mitch T. - Pearl River, NY
23. Wilmer Russi - Miramar, FL
24. Dominic Giuffre - Milwaukee, WI
25. Alan Peabody - Burlington, VT
26. Alan Ima - Vancouver, BC
27. Tuan Vo - Houston, TX
28. Tom Layton - Millersville, MD
29. Dave D. - Chicago, IL
30. Chris Conrady - San Marcos, CA
31. C. Gorczyca - Alexandria, VA
32. sixspeedCL9 (please add your name/location)
33. Jordan Sculnick - Brooklyn NY
34. Ace Mhire - Lake Charles, LA
35. M. Worozbyt - Baltimore, MD
36. G. Gupta - Toronto, Ontario
37. Richard Yu - Rowland Heights, CA
38. B. Biswas - Columbus, Ohio
39. E. Bond – Palo Alto, CA
40. J. Depasquale, PA
41. J. Olmstead, MI
42. T. Ly - Toronto, Ontario
43. Andrew Kimura, Sacramento, CA.
44. Daniel Koffer, FL
45. Brian Davis - Indianapolis, IN
46. Dom P. - Bronx, NY
47. Kingston Y. - S.F., CA
48. M. Anderson - Minneapolis MN
49. Adam R. - Houston, TX
50. Justin W. - Durham, NC
51. Michael L. - Canada, AB
52. Joe L. - North Jersey
53. Paul C. -Washington, D.C
54. Nicholas L. -SF,CA
55. Denny Trujillo - Los Angeles, CA
56. J. Macko, Lake Forest, CA
57. Tom M.- Baltimore, MD
58. Jim Mulvey - (please add location)
59. Orlando Aguirre - Smyrna, TN
60. Danni Pavlovsky - Los Angeles, CA
61. Jorge Rosales - Los Angeles, CA
62. Kevin Tang - San Gabriel, CA
63. Thomas Basso - Chicago, IL
64. Amit Sekhon - Los Angles,CA
65. Khoi Pham - Austin, TX
66. Eric W. - Honolulu, HI
67. Craig, SLC, UT
68. N. Patel Irvine, CA
69. Roger Lie, San Jose, CA
70. Rachel D - Beaverton, OR

mltk53

so we hit the 70 mark....what else must we do?!~

sigh... deng it, i might just down grade myself to the 06 ecu and get reflashed..ugh!

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

i've mentioned this before, but i haven't updated the list over in the hondata forum since the new year, largely b/c i don't want to piss hondata off anymore than they might already be for having a list started (which they may find as combative or pressure). that wasn't the intention of the list. it was merely to show the interest so that they wouldn't forget the 07+.

as for the 06 ecu working in the 07's, i think someone has mentioned that they called hondata and asked if it would work and they said they wouldn't recommend it, leading one to believe that the ecu's are different. but if you try it and it works, let us know.

TommySalami

If it doesn't work, you could probably sell it to someone with an 06, so you wouldn't lose much.

xjohnkdoex

iTrader: (2)

why not just buy the 06 ECU first, and see if it works in the 07 before reflashing?

it would save a lot of trouble and money. you'd need the new ecu, but then you'd also need to pair it with your current immobilizer.