larchmont

Don't sell your point short, Dom. Some people (and experts, and authorities) feel FWD has significant advantages on wet surfaces in general, not just snow or ice.

Skull One_RENAMED

Now why would you think I would do that?

I actually know how to drive on Snow/Ice with RWD. But yes, I would prefer under that one condition to be in a FWD or AWD car. Which is why I own a MDX.


I bought my S80 T6 for those reasons. But the first time I had a understeer issue that cost me $900 for repairs, I started rethinking that issue. Once I am done tooling around in my Vette, I will probably get either a TL, RL, Infiniti Q45, BMW 7 Series, or BMW 545. TL should in 3 years be weight balanced and programmed very well for a FWD vehicle. But I would still consider for north Texas the BMW 5 and 7 series safer.

gilboman

and SOME people (experts and authorities) feel RWD has advantages over FWD on wet surfaces in general as well.

dom

Gilbo, YOU don't count as an expert

I think on a flat surface a RWD car car be just as safe as a FWD vehicle. But I personally think that once your going uphill in the snow a FWD car is much, much safer and easier to control than a RWD car. I'm no expert, but I speak from plenty of experience living in Canada.

Gilbo, why did you buy an AWD 3? Admit it, you thought it safer for these Toronto winters and generally a better all season setup than the RWD 3.

adam fiooz

g35 coupe comes with 18s so im sure its very safe on "ice".

dom

No further Comment.

dnb

Once in a while, I come across a statement that stops me dead in my tracks. Your sentence is a blooming desert flower in the Sahara of discourse that is acura-tsx.com.

Could you elaborate? I'm looking forward to your explanation.

dom

I think we have another post of the month nomination.

I'd like to hear the explanation too.

provench

I had a G35 for about 8 months before I got my TSX and let me tell you what I noticed as did a lot of other G35 owners on freshalloy (Nissan/Infiniti forums). The G35 can be put in to a WICKED oversteer situation with a quick flip of the wheel. Let me tell you this ... if something happens where I need to dodge something that has stopped quickly in front of me and brakes alone do not work ... I will gladly take the TSX. The G35's long wheelbase and handling composure in quick jerks of the wheels is enough to scare the pants out of anyone (even those who claim to be RWD experts) as you will quickly be in a 360 spinout.

Please don't take this to mean that the G35 can't smoke the TSX in the 40mph hard corners or a controlled slalom ... because the G35 is a fine handling car, but I just wanted to let everyone know that the oversteer in evasive maneuvers (even with the VSA-like VDC system) could put you in more trouble that you started.

Adam ...... oh boy.

adam fiooz

lol nothing to say nice post provench.i agree

TSX-S2000

An earlier C&D sedan comparison made exactly that observation. They said something like ". . .more oversteer than you remember with your brother's Mustang in the rain." That was without the VDC activated which usually hinders ultimate performance.

However, many people think that a stability control system allows them to drive beyond safe limits. They expect that the stability control will save them if they make a mistake. That's the first mistake: you can't ignore the laws of physics. Stability control, even AWD, can only do so much.

I experienced some wicked oversteer in my S2000 once. I gave the car too much throttle coming out of a off-camber left sweeper (on a public road) and the rear end came around very quickly. I ended up swapping ends and ruining a pair of underwear.

dnb

Provench --- remember this moment. In a few years you'll be addressing your kids in the same exasperated tone. (I should know; I have little children of my own.)

provench

By the way ... another note ... don't try to drive your G35 sedan with summer tires on sleet Another one that I can speak with experience on

I think back to the "oh ... I have a few more hours until it gets real bad out there" moment and just shake my head. It was like driving on a skating rink ... I would have made it home ok, but I came around a bind corner going downhill to notice that FOUR cars were in the ditch .... well ... tap the brakes (not much choice other than going over the cliff or hitting oncoming traffic on the other side of the road ... and I was #5 Tap brake + sleet + RWD + summer tires = ditch for me. Oh well ... no damage done luckily to either me or the car

Skull One_RENAMED

Most interesting. I didn't test that exact condition at all. When I go to replace the Vette (should I not get the C6), I will remember to add that to my list of "How to piss off / scare the salesman" test.

BTW: If you ever test drive a Vette and you see a little button behind the gear shift labeled "Active Handling", hold it down for 8 seconds and the computer will flip to Competitive Drive mode. Which means you can have a little fun with wheel spin and simple power slides in turns. It also has a tendency to scare the salesman that are used to never having it off of full automatic control (almost no wheel spin).

dom

If you would have sprung for the optional 18" tires that would have all been avoided.

Skull One_RENAMED

Boooo Hissssss

You are a bad bad man.

LOL!