Crazytree

were you also high on crack at the dealership?

darth62

Am I the only one here who thinks both cars are really nice looking? The exterior of the G35 is really classy, and both the coupe and sedan are beautiful. Likewise, I LOVE the way my TSX looks.

The interior of the G35 leaves a lot to be desired, but that is another issue.

Deak69

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/030903-1.htm

Now this makes the choices even harder...

dom

The G35 competes with the TL. And now that the AWD G35 is announced its even more obvious that the G does not compete with the TSX.

I'm guessing a AWD G will cost in the 35 - 37K range US and about close to 50K CAD which puts it well out of the TSX price range.

It does bother me that Infiniti/Nissan seems to be pulling out all the stops and Honda just sits idly by while they grab more and more market share. Wake up Honda where our AWD/RWD sedan with way too much power ???

Jaeger

The TSX competes with any car that the person making the purchase decision says it does. The G is quite a bit more expensive, but I did cross-shop it with the TSX. I basically looked at anything that might remotely be called a sports sedan ranging from CDN$30k to $42k. I still remember one particularly arrogant Acura salesman scoffing at the fact that I had test-driven the Maxda 6 and Maxima SE: "Our TSX doesn't compete with those cars, it competes with BMW and Audi" Ooooookay pal, whatever you say... The fact that it WAS competing with those cars for my money and his commision was sadly lost on this fellow.

PS - did anybody notice that in the Automobile Magazine article which placed the TSX #1, they got a 0-6 time of 8.1 fro the Acura and 5.6 for the G35. That G is freakin' fast!

dom

You make a good point Jaeger. I personally was not looking to spend more than about 35K CAD so the TSX, Accord EX V6, M6 and Nissan Altima was where I was looking. Everyone will have a different interpretation of what car falls into a certain class so this can't be defined per se. But I'm sure if you were to ask the head of Acura NA what cars the TSX competes with the G35 will not be one of them and this is further evidenced by the fact that it is never mentioned in an Acura press release. nor was present at the early ride and drives. (Then again neither was the 325

Was that G35 a 6MT? or did it even mention anything?

Crazytree

My two choices were:

1. GS300 - $26K cash, $15K financed
2. TSX - $26K cash

I feel I made the smart choice.

Jaeger

Hey domn,

They don't come right out and say (it's actually a very poorly-written article with nearly zero comparative analysis at all), but they make mention of the fact that with the 6sp. you can 'get more out of the engine' so it's a safe guess they tested the stick. The TSX was definitely the 6 sp.

Jaeger

LeeLee

Almost? What is it about the Audi/VW's black-on-black flat-slab plastic, fitted with what appears to be Lego brand switch gear, sorry excuse for a luxry car dash that makes it better than the TSX's? Can you even read a VW's intrument cluster at night without having a minor seizure?

TSX-S2000

The G35 used in that article had to be a 6-speed. An automatic-equipped G35 is around 6 seconds to 60 mph. The 6-speed G35 is consistently knocking about 0.5 seconds off of the automatic's times to 60 mph. There are many rumors flying around that the three 6-speed equipped FM cars (G35 sedan, coupe, and 350Z) are really putting out the same horsepower numbers.

TSXautoXer

Have you bought the car yet? Or have you made up your decision? If I have the extra money, I'll get the G35 coupe 6MT. It's sexy on the outside, and such a hoot to drive! I'll then learn to live with the interior...

jeffoxx

Have you read Automobile Magazine's October issue, the "$30 Peronality Test" ? 12 sport sedans in this price range in a head-to-head test. Your answer is contained in the article.
Ratings:
1. Acura TSX
2. BMW 325i
3. Infiniti G35
etc, etc

jeffoxx

Have you read Automobile Magazine, October issue, "$30k Personality Test"? A head-to-head comparison of sport sedans in this category. Your answer is contained therein.
Ratings:
1. Acura TSX
2. BMW 325i
3. Infinity G35

etc. etc.

jeffoxx

sorry for the 2 postings!
dufus here

rb1

They are advertising brand new G35's in the local newspapers for $26,900. Hmmmm....

(Oh, and the Automobile rankings certainly weren't factoring this price into their math... )

Crazytree

it's called a "sucker car". they have one of them on the lot at that price and they're not going to sell it to you... instead they're going to use it to lure all the "suckers" in.

TSX-S2000

I did buy the G35 (about a month ago now). I also really like the coupe and in many ways think it's better looking than the Z. However, I need four doors. I gave up my S2000 for something capable of carrying a family and bought a 2003 Jetta GLX. That turned out to be both too small (to fit an infant seat) and too uncomfortable. So I began looking at the TSX. I had my mind set on the TSX until my brother said I should look at the G35 again (I looked at one when they first became available but wasn't really in the market at that time). Considering the extra room, the G35 is better suited for my family's needs and was worth the extra money. I still like the TSX though.

By the way, I came across a late 2002 issue of C&D (October, I think) that has a couple of spy shots of the TSX undergoing testing. The details in the article were right on with the production vehicle and they even mention that no V6 is planned. If anybody is interested, I can scan and e-mail the article (can I post images on the forum?).

fdl

I'd be interested in this article is someone can host it for you.

JohnnyG_RENAMED

Check out the October issue of Automobile Magazine....In their road test, the TSX came out on top!!!

rb1

Perhaps, but I bought a 99 Maxima at $5000 under MSRP back in 1999 under similar circumstances. Only paid $400 more than the "sucker" car price.

When I totalled it in '00, the insurance settlement was more than I paid for the car.

Skyhawk

I had a jackhole at an Audi dealership tell me that "the TSX is just a Honda Accord... not really competition for the A4". I let him know I disagreed, as I am sure many others do. He didn't get my money, but then no one has yet....

Skyhawk

Start scratching your FAKE wood or aluminum trim in the TSX and then talk about the use of plastics in a "luxury" car interior.

Crazytree

point is... it doesn't look like garbage.

Vans

I think any rational person can agree that the G35 and TSX are pretty much the best cars in their category. If you have the extra money and want the performance of RWD - get the G35. If you want to pinch some pennies and get a killer car for around 27K - no car comes close to the overall package of the TSX.

The TL will be very nice when it comes out but it will still be FWD. You will get an awesome interior but you won't get the VQ engine, ahhh the VQ - rated 10 best for like 8 years in a row now. It may be more $$ in some regards when compared to the G but you will also get a nicer interior. Pros and Cons on both sides.

Hooray for my first post!!

darth62

You should have told him "well, an A4 is just a Passat......"

(true, that A4 and Passat are both world-class vehicles, but that is another issue).

Skyhawk

Yes, I found it ironic that an Audi salesman would bash another car for its relationship to a "lower scale" car.

adam fiooz

G35 and TSX ?one is around 30 grand the other is around 40 grand.p.s. If the "tsx" was an "accord" he would know the Accord will own an a4 anyday of the week!

darth62

Adam, have you been using new Math again? A TSX starts at 26,500 and the G35 comes loaded to the gills for about $36,000.

Crazytree

G35 is faster than the TSX. so fucking what. unless you're dragracing everyday... I don't see how the relatively small difference in speed could justify spending the extra $6,000-$10,000.

TSX-S2000

My decision to get the G35 had nothing to do with speed. It came down to which car would be more practical as a family car (the extra speed is just an added bonus).

I already had my mine set on a TSX 6-speed with navi when I realized that a fully-loaded G35 6MT sedan would only be about another $70/month (about $4000 more than what I could have gotten a TSX for -- $500 over invoice w/2.9% financing). If you were considering both cars, wouldn't you spend the extra $70/month for the added room performance?

My wife preferred the styling of the G35 over the TSX too. She felt that the TSX was a bit too plain and ordinary. I, on the other hand, like both cars (there are things I like and dislike on both cars).

I'm really enjoying my G35 but I know I would have been happy with the TSX too.

adam fiooz

darth62
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Adam, have you been using new Math again? A TSX starts at 26,500 and the G35 comes loaded to the gills for about $36,000
No moran the g35 coupe fully loaded is over 40 grand i have 2 friends that own them.

Crazytree

who's Moran? your imaginary Irishman friend?

larchmont

Solid in the running for Post of the Month.

ChillinMofo

not to mention the sport coupe G35 has 280 hps not 260 like the sedan.

ChillinMofo

not to mention the sport coupe G35 has 280 hps not 260 like the sedan.

AlexTheMan

I don't agree with that. If that "suckers" car is what anyone is looking for in terms of options and he doesn't care much about color, then in many cases it's a nice deal. I helped a friend buy a 626 couple years ago that way. The price was $600 below invoice. We were at the same dealer 2 weeks before and offered them invoice on the same car specs but no go. They had the ad in Saturday's paper and we were there at the time they opened. No negotiation was needed. We were even able to get a different color other than the white one that was supposed to be listed for the "suckers" car.

fdl

Its still a suckers car becaue the next 200 people who come in looking for that car will not be able to buy it. At the same time the dealer has lured in all these additional people..some of which may buy a car. Its an old dealer tactic..and a slimey one at that. In many cases the car advertised never even existed, but they will tell you its sold when you get in.

Nachoman

Just test drove the G35 and the TSX over the weekend. I must say I was impressed with both cars, however I couldn't get over the hypersensitive brake pedal on the G35. merely resting your foot on it caused the car to brake excessively. My GF test drove it first, after nearly blowing chunks from the jerks, i tried to drive it smoothly, even after putting all of my effort into it, i still couldn't smooth out the stopping. Maybe it was just the car I happened to drive since it was their test drive car. i did like the interior of the G35 though, i felt enveloped which was nice.

TSX was great too though, they had a CG auto w/no nav just sitting there for me to try, too bad they don't make the arctic blue with a lighter interior, those black interiors just get too hot down here in SD. I was impressed with the pick up on it, sure it didn't compare to the V6 on the G35 but it did compare nicely with the V6 i have in my Jetta right now. All in all I am very tempted to get the TSX, i just hate paying MSRP for a car.

Skull One_RENAMED

The moment you have to resort to foul language in an argument is the moment you have failed to win the argument.

That aside, speed is not the major issue alone. Vehicle control is. If I were in an emergency or even certain non-emergency maneuvers I would want to be in the G35 over the TSX. Simpy put the understeer issues of the TSX can and will put you in a bad position. The G35 does not have this issue. The cost difference is about safety and control.

And yes I have driven both cars for over an hour each. I tried the same high speed (40+ MPH) turns and the TSX pushed out every time making the turn dangerous (Thank goodness I was in a controlled enviroment with no traffic).

dom

Now put yourself on snow or ice and tell us where you'd rather be. (Don't say G35 AWD)

If you live in a warm climate then this is obviously not a valid point.