has anyone been able to switch the manumatic so that an up shift is pulled towards you and a downshift pushed away from you (like a real SMG)??? this is a much more logical way to shift if you think about it, would love to be able to switch it if possible.

J

 

no, sorry but this doesnt make sense to me, when i test drove a 330 the other month i hated that set up, not only because i was used to my CLS, but because i just didnt agree with that way of shifting....i dunno im stubborn and do not like change i guess? but thats my opinion...some ppl like the german way though?

 

i like it this way in our car. i agreed with the above comments that i don't like the other way around when the + is up and - is down.......i think it make more sense to make it the TSX's way

 

I would love to switch the shift pattern too. MINES Motor sport harness kit can do that but they don't have one for CL9, too bad.
FYI
http://www.mines-wave.com/

 

i agree, the shift pattern that the TSX already has is perfect...to me at least.

 

i wonder if its a matter of examning the guts of the shifter....

Sounds as easy as switching connectors or switches around, my be worth checkin it out if it urks u that much.

But besides that, I like how the TSX is set up, to me UP should be UPSHIFT and DOWN should be DOWNSHIFT.

The other way just seems backwards to me.

 

You can switch it. But to me, pulling back should be upshift because when you are accelerating hard (at least in a high powered car), it's easier to pull back to upshift than it is to push forward. The old WRC cars also had the pull back to upshift pattern.

 

Kris was able to switch them around on his 2nd gen TL. I think he made a DYI for it too. Not sure how different it would be in the TSX.

 

I agree. It should be switched if you use it for accelerating hard all the time. For the regular consumer, the TSX's current design is intuitive (up=up and down=down).

 

Back in the mid 90s, I followed and watched a lot of the touring car racing series (BTCC, JTCC, DTM, etc...). Well, they all used sequential gearboxes, and almost all of them had the shift pattern opposite of what the TSX's layout is. I guess I got brainwashed by watching all those series, therefore I don't like the up=up, down=down pattern either. In fact, when I got a TL as a loaner couple years ago, I accidentally downshifted where I was trying to upshift.

 

The most logical way to shift is with a H gated shifter

 

thanks for all the messages, basically the reason I'm saying it's more logical is because when you step on the brake the momentum of your body pushes you forward, thus pushing forward on the lever makes more sense - think the reverse for upshifting as mentioned above.

whoever mentioned the rally cars, this is exactly what i'm talking about and my steering wheel for gran turismo 4 is set up this way as well - so i'm locked into this method from seeing it on the WRC rallys as well as GT4.

the makers of SMG and DSG seem to understand this and have incorporated it into their cars as this is how a real sequential shifts. I realize the TSX is not a real sequential but the manumatic is pretty darn quick for what it is and I'd love to be able to switch it if possible.

touche to psteng, couldn't get the 6MT although I would have preferred it.

 

can you post a link, can't seem to find it, thanks

 

it's a very simple thing to do. the up and down runs via micro switches

so you can either swap the wires on the circuit board, or swap them in the connector.

they both use the same ground wire, so all you need to touch are 2 wires

 

Damn, I searched for an hour or so and couldn't find it either, sorry. Might want to PM fsttyms1, I know he's done it, real helpful guy.

 

I don't understand this discussion. If people think that the upshift should be a rearward movement of the lever because that is the way one upshifts with a standard transmission, well, that just isn't true...all the time. When upshifting a standard transmission from 1st to 2nd, yes, one pulls the lever rearward. But when upshifting from 2nd to 3rd one moves the lever forward again. So in a standard transmission, every other movement is rearward or forward.
In that respect, the singular technique for upshifting, or downshifting, of gears in this type of automatic transmission never truly mimics the shifting of a standard transmission. I think Acura has chosen the most logical operating mode for people who are not used to standard transmissions and/or will use the manual shift function only occassionally. It also is consistant with (my observation of) what I believe is becoming an "industry standard" for this function of all such transmissions.
That said, if people feel the need to alter the operation of their own transmission to suit their tastes, more power to them. They should just be sure and remember to explain the change of operation to the service dept., or their cousin, or whoever gets into that seat to make temporary use of the car.

 

a few people have done this in the TL forum, all you have to do is switch the wires round going to the + and - terminals of the shifter

 

it's not to make it more like a manual transmission - it's to make it more like SMG or a sequential gearshift in a race car (only in terms of position for gearshift). if you're not familiar with this type of transmission then of course you won't understand why people would want it like that.

 

any links? I can't find it

 

what do you need a link for? just take apart the shifter, and you'll see the wire harness. switch the up and down wire, and your done

btw the wires you are looking for are

2004 Green/white(up) and blue/yellow(down)
2005 blue/yellow(up) and blue/white(down)

they all run to a main harness where the wires change to white/blue(up) and orange(down)

 

nice, thanks

 

You'd better switch it back before you sell it else the new owner will be in for quite a surprise.

 

I agree 100%. I purchased a Toyota MR2 Spyder and that's exactly how the SMT works. When I watched my Dad shift his Jetta, I was surprised to see that it was backwards.

Unfortunately it seems the "push forward to upshift" has become standard. Makes no sense whatsoever.

If you drive a traditional manual car the first shift you do (1st to 2nd) is always a PULL shift, not a PUSH shift. There's a reason for this: G-forces!

Similarly when you slow down, your weight is already being pushed forward. That makes it much more intuitive to bump the shifter forward to slow down.

I love my MR2-S. Won't buy another car with a manumatic transmission unless they get it right and make it like this one.

 

It can make sense, especially if you've driven a car with a dog leg gear layout, which were used in a lot of sports cars:

R 2 4
| | |
| N |
| | |
1 3 5

It puts the 2-3 shift in the center and in one straight, up or down motion, for quicker shifts, similar to the 2-1 shift in a traditional layout. However, I don't think driving at the speed limits on public roadways generates anywhere near the g forces to affect which direction to shift for manumatics one way or another. It's what you are used to.

My sense is that Honda used this layout as it mimics its auto trans layouts, which are always down for the smaller forward gears:

P
R
N
D
3
2
1

 

Here's the plug. There are links to show how to release a contact from the plastic housing, so you can use this as a guide to switching the pins.

http://www.te.com/catalog/products/en?q=353027-1