OK, so far I am thinking CAI + hondata and am optimistic about the gains I may be able to see. On top of that I am now contimplating more aggressive cams. Maybe the type-r cams ...would they fit? I have no clue. Dont even know how much they would cost but I like the mod because it keeps the car civil during normal driving but gives it that extra power.

So you have vtec coming in sooner, with better fuel mapping, plus the more agressive cam. This car should rock. DO I hear an additional 40 whp? Now we are in accord v6 territory while the same time not upsetting the handling of the car.


BTW..before I get flamed..i realize that 40 whp from these mods may be a stretch and not possible...but I can still dream!

 

40 HP sounds a tad optimistic, but yes you can dream.

Intake = 12HP
Hondata = 10HP
Type R cams (Which I've heard will fit any K series) = 5 to 10HP

Total = 30HP, which is'nt too bad. And that should all be to the wheels.

I'm really struggling with the idea of modding my TSX. I thought my modding days were over when I was 22 and got rid of my Integra. Not crazy about having to start modding another car. But the TSX I think really needs the extra kick.

That extra 2k it needs will get me a week in Mexico.

 

Domn - you and I can get those AWD TSX's that should come stock with around 230-240HP ... it's called the upgrade your TSX mod

Ha - really though ... it will be interesting to see what "refresh" comes in for the 2006 model year ... otherwise I am holding out for the 2008 round after I own this TSX free and clear

 

Personally, the first mod I would do is to install another exhaust with a more sporty sound. Not aggressive, but sporty, like my Scirocco 16v had. This alone contributes a lot to the fun, assuming it is not too loud on the highway.

Standard, the TSX sounds too much like any other Honda Accord. Possibly it can even add a few HP.

Is there anyway to increase the redline with more aggressive cams? I had the euro-spec cam on my VW. Better sound at high rpm, but a loss of oomph at lower rpm.

Second, I'd change the standard mags for mags meshed, black with a large polished lip. On light colored cars, it looks awesome even it adds nothing in performance.

 

It's a sad day when you have to add $2,000 worth of mods in order to get your brand new hot sports sedan "in Accord V6 territory". Especially since the Accord V6 is already $2,000 less when comparably equipped.

Why not just buy something you don't have to mod? Good luck getting them to fix anything under warranty after all of those mods. I think what you have proven is that this car truly is underpowered and needs considerable work to even be compared to an average "non-sport" vehicle like the V6 Accord.

 

Is's a sad day? So tell me...how much work does a bmw 325 need to keep up with a v6 accord? How about an is300? Or heck...even a bmw 330xi? It must be a REALLY sad day when you need to mod your 40k sports sedan to be as fast as a $25k familly car.

Or how about we start looking at the srt. Then we may as well just start crying right?

My TSX has ample power for me, and I am quite content with it. But more power is always better.

 

fdl, hit the nail on the head. And what I think he meant by his "Accord V6 territory" statement was its an exceptional engine. How many 3.0L V6's put down that much power? None that I can think of. The 3.0L when matched to a 6MT is capable of 5.7 0-60 and low 14 sec 1/4 miles. Lets see your 325 do that. coupe or sedan. So yes it would be quite the accomplishment to match its power outout with a 2.4 I4.

And I still don't get where your coming from with this underpowered sedan talk. The 6MT TSX is just as quick as your more expensive 325. Think before you talk Buff-Daddy.

 

And, can't we have a discussion about potential mods, acceleration, power or related issues without some poster who owns another car going off on a diatribe about how under powered the TSX is? What exactly does that sort of comment add to the board?

 

If the TSX had ample power for you and you were happy, you wouldn't be obsessed with mods to increase performance. You bought a car that doesn't satisfy you and now you are trying to make up for it.
As far as my 325xi goes, we bought it for it's looks, handling, ride and all-wheel-drive capabilities, not for it's 0-60 time.
If I was whining about power 24/7 or raving about how my 325xi really runs 6.6 second 0-60's when we all know it's is over 8.0, then I could see your point. However, you seem to be the only one crying around here, I am happy with my purchase.

 

But I'm not arguing my car against your car, I am arguing the fact that you all want this car to be more and that means you are not happy with it the way it is...
Our 2 vehicles are in 2 different classes anyway. One is a true luxury sports sedan and the other is a TSX. Just kidding (kind of) but you cannot compare AWD vs. FWD, it isn't apples to apples and never will be.
All I am saying is that if you were all so obsessed with performance, why did you buy this car!?!?!?!?!?!

 

fdl has'nt onced raved about the TSX's 6.6 0-60 time, you know its the uninformed noobs that do that around here.

Funny, I bought my TSX for its looks, handling, ride and low price, not for its 0-60 times as well. That being said, I would be just as unhappy about the 0-60 time of a 325 if I owned one, since its the same as the TSX's, so what's the difference.

EDIT: Theres nothing wrong with wanting more power. Are you telling us that all the BMW forums out there don't go about discussing modding their rides for more power? Sure they do and thats what we're doing here, don't put a spin on things and make it seem as though we're all incredibly unhappy about the TSX's power.

I'm the only one unhappy about it, I'm the hata who really wanted a Accord V6, but we make compromises. You can never have enough power.

 

I am not "obsessed with mods" and as I am quite satifiied with my TSX. But as I said, more power is always a good thing and as an auto enthusiast it interests me to make my car better, or at least discuss the possibilities. Is that hard to understand? I mean this is a car forum...what do you want to talk about?

And I bought my TSX for all the same reasons (minus awd) plus more. I think its a great all round package. So that means I cant explore the possibilities to make it faster?

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If I was whining about power 24/7 or raving about how my 325xi really runs 6.6 second 0-60's when we all know it's is over 8.0, then I could see your point. However, you seem to be the only one crying around here, I am happy with my purchase.

Have I ever whined about power? Have I ever claimed a 6.6 0-60? (and no its not over 8.0 either). And who is crying? Like i said before, as an enthusiat it interests me to discuss the tuning possibilities of the car. If you are not interested in such discussions, or are happy with your slower awd car, then keep it to yourself.

 

You CANNOT say that you didn't buy the TSX for it's 0-60 time and then say that you would be JUST AS UNHAPPY about the 0-60 time of a 325 if you owned one.
You either CARE about it or you DON'T.
I am happy with my 325xi because it is EXACTLY we wanted/needed and that is why we bought it. We are not modding it because it is perfect the way it is. We are not racing it because it isn't a fast car. We do not challenge people at stoplights because we are not immature 16 year olds with a playstation in the back going to see 2 Fast 2 Furious for the 9th time. ALL I AM SAYING is that if you knew you were going to spend thousands on mods to improve performance, why not just get something that didn't need it?

 

Sure I can say that, I mean lets be realistic here, if the TSX's 0-60 time was 11 seconds, I would'nt have bought it, same goes for any other car for that matter. I knew it was a 8 to 9 sec 0-60 car (Auto) when I bought it, but if I really cared about 0-60 than I obviously would have bought something else. I care about it, just not as much as I do other things.

And Buff-Daddy who here (in this thread that is) is a " immature 16 year old with a playstation in the back going to see 2 Fast 2 Furious for the 9th time." who challenges people at stop lights? I know I don't.

Yes I would like more power, but as you can see by my earlier post, I'd rather not mod the car, I'd rather trade it in for something else before I do that. And if you say you would'nt like the power of a 330 in your 325, your BSing. Who Would'nt want more power?

 

Like what? I love my TSX and dont want anything else, ...not untill we start getting into 5-10k more. ANd i wouldnt put that much $$ in mods into my car anyways. And even for those that would do this, well its something they enjoy. Its a hobby, or project. Why are you so threatened or upset by this?

 

Tell me what car wouldn't benefit from aftermarket mods? A freaking minivan could be suped up for increased performance, so where does it end? When will you be happy? I am just saying that after you spend all of this time and money, you will still have a car that will be spanked by any stock 330, G35 or other normal sport sedan on the road, so whats the point?

 

My problem here is this: We have frequent discussions on this board about 0-60 times, potential mods to increase power, the effects of traction et al. because we are all enthusiasts. Enthusiasts, by their very nature, seek to 1) Know everything they can about their vehicle, 2) Push their vehicle to its limits.

When FDL and others have threads about these issues, it helps me to better understand my car and increases everybody's enjoyment of the forum. I wouldn't even know what Hondata and CAI are if not for those discussions.

No offense to my cyber-friend B-D, but why do you need to drag now the conversation with yet another diatribe about the TSX's lack of acceleration. We are all aware of what the TSX is and is not. What exactly is wrong with FDL wanting to up the ante on performance?

 

My point was that modding cars is kind of childish. And if I wanted a car with more power, I wouldn't be modding my 325, I would have just bought the 330 to start with. I don't need it, so I didn't spend the money on it. I guess some of you should have waited for the TL.

 

Can we get rid of Buff-Daddy? This was yet another potentially interesting thread before Buffy jumped in and made it turn to shit. Just an observation.

Like it was said, power is never high enough. I'd find myself dreaming of finding a way to pump more hp out of an M3 just the same.

About the first post, I believe the Type R cams would add some high end, but would be overkill, in that they are designed to make power at up to 8500rpm. I don't think a stock K24A2 bottom end could sustain that, so the gains would be limited. You would also lose a serious amount of torque down low. Driveability?

 

Take it easy Larch, errrr fdl.

 

Again, no disrespect mean, but who exactly crowed you king of the auto world? What gives you the right to decide that a mod is "childish" and to ruin a thread on that topic?

 

325 to 330 , and tsx to tl is not the same thing. If there was a TSX type-r i would have gave it serious consideration. But thats besides the point.

 

Hey sauce! thanks for bringing things back on topic. Could we not have agressive cams for vtec only? So low rpms stays teh same and vtec (which after hondata should be sooner) will be much more powerful? The TSX could use some top end.

 

That would definitely be the best solution. The only downside to it, I believe, could be a huge Vtec dip, much bigger than stock. But I may also be wrong, so don't quote me.

 

King Buff-Daddy has decreed that all "mods" are childish and spoilers are not to be mounted on 4 door sedans. Anyone who mods their car or put a spolier on shall have their heads chopped off.


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He is entitled to his opinion Darth, but maybe he should'nt have shared it in what could have been a useful thread.

 

My thought after reading all the posts in this thread is why bother arguing with Buff-Daddy? From his posts in this thread, it clearly shows that he's NOT the type of car enthusiasts like we are. I bet he's the type of people who thinks a car is just a form of transportation.

 

Ya'll know in Europe they sell a diesal Accord now (our TSX). No type-R in Europe yet. That tells ya where the priorites for this car are.

 

It's called an opinion and this is a forum. Everyone here is entitled to one and just because mine does not match yours does not mean that I am wrong.
I am helping more people by letting them know that these mods will VOID THIER FACTORY WARRANTY than anyone else is by helping them get an extra 10hp out of a $1,000 mod.

 

I,d be willing to bet it could be easier to get more power out of the diesel unit that the K24A2. And not by proportions, by total whp. But that's another subject, let's not lose focus, now that Buff is out for a while (thankGod).

Edit: D'oh he's back!

 

I think we are pretty much all grown-ups here, we have paid money for our cars, and most of us are well aware of how to protect our investments. How dare you condescend over us this way!

If you are looking for a decent way out, let me tell you the decent way out of this thread::noob:

 

Yup 250 lb-ft in that puppy. But that has nothing to do with their direction with this car. All that was is a reaction to a market nessisity in Europe. No Deisel = No sales. It was that easy for them.

There are rumours of a AWD Turbo TSX at Honda Japan being tested. Lets not forget the fact that theres a Euro R available which has already won a race in Japan. This car is sort of like a jack of all trades. It can be a family sedan as well as a performance sedan.

 

403 posts a NOOB? Interesting, do you even know what the term means?

All of this hot air coming from the TSX enthusiast that is selling his TSX. Pathetic...

 

Do you at least have a clue why I'm selling my car? I don't know what it has to do with me venting on you. I am pissed that you are constantly turning threads to crap, and I am nailing you for this.

But I fail to see what me selling my car has anything to do with it.

Yes, 403 posts, and still a noobie. Don't worry, it's called sarcasm. Seems you still deserve this title since you still haven't figured a bunch of us are annoyed by your obnoxiousness.

 

Obnoxious is what you are asking for you used car! I see that you are trying to get someone to pay too much for your used car because you racked up a ton of miles on it already and know that you will never be able to sell it down the road when there are other TSX's in the used car market with FAR less miles on them. Actually a smart move on your part. And that is where the compliments start and end...
And just a reminder, this isn't a gang, it's a forum. We all don't have to think, do, act the same. Seeing both sides of the issue will always create more thought than just being sheep and following one persons opinion.
I say mods aren't worth the money, you say they are. I say that losing your warranty is never a good idea, you don't seem to care. Who is right? I guess that is a matter of opinion just like everything else is on this forum...

 

That is absolutely incorrect. A mod only voids factory warranty if the Manufacturer can claim that the mod caused the problem.

 

B-D... you are entitled to your opinion in this forum but not this thread. Start a new one about how mods are childish. Otherwise add something constructive to this thread. Sorry for not adding any useful info to this thread but just wanted to make a point.

 

And you obviously have no experience with this, because the manufacturer will ALWAYS claim that the mod caused the problem and will have 10x the research to back it up over your opinion.

 

I did add something constructive, I pointed out that adding thousands of dollards worth of mods will only provide minimal gains and will void out your factory warranty which could lead to even larger financial losses.

 

I think I remember saying in my thread I wasn't going to discuss prices here, but I will say this, and I think I have written it there to. I don't have much insight as to what the ideal price would be to sell my car, but I have seen one TSX in my province selling 2700$ upwards of what I am asking for mine. Obviously, it has a little less mileage than mine. But I can always argue that I have highway mileage, and thus you divide wear factor by at least 2, meaning that it would have the wear of a 15,000 mile car. 2700$ seems reasonnable to me, but if it isn't, I am always willing to discuss reasonnably.

Selling now is undisputably a smart move of my part, if it ever happens. If I don't sell, it is not an issue, this is why I will not lose money by selling. I haven't had any major issues with the car, and I don't see the extended warranty becoming handy for me when it would expire in less than a year and a half.

That being said, the way you are acting here, a compliment coming from you means nothing.

You are right saying it's a forum, but a forum is/becomes useless if trolls of your kind are constantly hijacking threads, bashing the TSX for any reason, insulting any members and doing all that you do best. If there was any significant number of members like you here, this forum would turn to shit, just like ClubTSX.

Now, if you really believe you are "just sharing a different opinion" when you come here, start acting accordingly, and post in a civilized way, stop insulting members, make your point, one thing, that's all.

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Also incorrect. There have been several lawsuits focused on this very issue. The burden of proof for the manfacturer is very high and warranty refusals because of mods don't tend to hold up in arbitration.

And, in fact, with Honda in particular, I had a relevant experience. My first Accord developed serious electrical system problems which MAY Have been caused by a lousy alarm system install. Honda was unable to prove that to be the case, although the dealer did raise the issue, and made all repairs under warranty.