This thread is a classic.....fdl started a pretty good topic but one immature person had so step in and ruin it. This is a car forumn focused on the TSx and related issues. So yes, Buff-Daddy is entiltled to his opinion but you are going about it in a wrong way. After reading fdl's post you should have started your own thread on pointless mods. Myslef being a huge car enthusiat hate when one puts down their own car. The TSX is one of the best bang for your buck cars on the road today. 0-60 time doesnt mean squat. You make a point of such expensive mods but the TSX is only new to the US for not even a year, give it time. But dont go putting down others for starting a interesting topic. being pretty much a NOOB myself, i still say that you should watch what you say(i have learned that-hahah). Oh and your little 325xi is a good car but for 32,000, i'd consider many other cars out there.
And whats wrong with dropping thousands into a car if you can afford it I did in my old stang and current 944t.

 

I hate to say it, but I agree with B-D's general premise. If I had thousands to spend on mods, I'd probably just buy a more powerful car! But, that said, I respect everybody else's desire to squeeze more power out of the TSX and I learn a lot from reading their ideas.

Personally, the only mod I am interested in right now would be more aggressive tires and, perhaps, lighter wheels. Maybe one day I'd even think about Hondata. But, that is about it for me.

 

Dude, you are not getting it either. You can buy your all powerful dream car, perhaps a M3, and you can still put more shit in it to make it go even faster.

 

How bout we all take a second to take a deep breath and relax. Some people like to mod some people don't. Big deal. I like to eat sushi, some people don't. Woopty doo.

 

And in Europe they sell diesel Mercedes, diesel BMWs, diesel VWs, diesel Fiats, etc., etc. What's the point you are trying to make?

 

I like all this back and forth , but ...

Let's get back to talking TSX AWD rumors ... I would think the bringing AWD options to the TSX/TL for Acura would be a great long term move, my guess is they are letting folks get the tactical punch in while they develop a hybrid based AWD system and get the last laugh

I also have to wonder what Honda has on tap for engine advancement other than a good hybrid system, you know there is a ton of other stuff in the labs (perhaps that turbo option mentioned on the other thread )....what else could they be up to?

 

See, darth62 just said that he agreed with my general premise and now you are all over him? 1st of all, if you buy an M3, you are obviously looking for and will get a lot of performance. If you mod an M3, you will have a serious sports car that will contend with anything you are going to see on the road unless you run into something rare or an extreme muscle car. You also have a lot more to work with on the M3 because was never trying to be a family sedan, just a raw sports car.
On the other hand, if you mod your TSX, you are spending thousands to not even bring it up to the level of many standard sedans? That is what makes your comparison as well as modding the TSX meaningless IMO.
If you have cash to piss away, go ahead, I'm not trying to stop you, but for those who don't, and I am guessing that is about 90% of the people who own the TSX, think about the minimal benefits 1st.

 

1st of all, I don't bash the TSX. I love the TSX and think it is a great car. I bash TSX owners when they drift away from reality... Just ask Larch, I am blunt, but fair, consistant and I can back up everything I say.

 

I don't know, Honda did not exactly blow us away by waiting to introduce an SUV into the market. The Pilot is a nice SUV, but hardly what I think we were all hoping to see. Other than the S2000, Honda hasn't done anything too exciting. I am hoping that they bring back the Prelude and do it right when they do.
I would love to see Acura broaden the AWD market, but I'm not going to hold my breath...

 

OK hot-shot, here is my lease...

MSRP at time- $34,540 - Leased for $750 over invoice
$3,500 total down
$385/mo - 36 months - 12k yr.

This is a 2003 325xi - Ti Silver/Black, Auto, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sun-roof and "M" Double Spoke wheels (customer swap)

In comparison, the TSX at that time was...
MSRP = $26,990
$2,500 total down
$350/mo - 36 months - 12k yr

So, if you look at the MSRP alone, my BMW was $7,500 more, yet leased for only $1,000 more down and $35 more per month. Because they were clearing out thier inventory for the 2004's and I was a current customer. I get free maintenance for the entire lease term, I got AWD, memory seats, power passenger seats, one-touch controls, etc. So, AT THAT TIME, I got a far better deal, you would have done the same.

So with all of your wisdom NJtsx go find me a better lease than that and let me know what better car I could have picked up, since you seem to have a few in mind...

 

Apples to apples, the price difference would be closer to $65/mo if you added the extra $1K to the TSX lease.

 

blunt maybe, but thats about it.

 

fdl,
How much will it cost to do the mods you mentioned?

I am not exactly FOR modding a car. But hey, if it really does makes the car better without costing a lot, why not.

FDL, if you're asking what do I think about the mod you mentioned, I will say hangon. For me, I will replace the brake rotors+pads, lighter wheels, better tires, adjustable shocks, LSD, then the rest. I remember you saying something about attacking the corner, thus why not first make the car corner faster, than increase the power. More power doesn't really mean faster. The car has to be balanced. (And 40whp more means you'll have to be extra careful when exiting corners...)

Just some of my thoughts

 

Oh, and B-D, just something you said about PS2...
I play GT3 on PS2 all the time and did watch 2 Fast 2 Furious (for 2 times only). AND I didn't put wings, spoilers, neon lights or any mods to my TSX...does that make me a weirdo?

 

Do you live with your parents? Do you have a job? Are you married? Do you own a house?

 

Hell no.
3 Business and a job.
No.
Going to.

(Take it easy, I wasn't being serious...)

 

You own 3 businesses and you still need a job? What's your business?

P.S. I wasn't ripping on you, those are the core questions to answer concerning "free-time".

 

1 computer related and 2 music related. They have yet to generate enormous amount of income, so I still keep my job. I work after reg office hours on my businesses. And no, not much free time but did sacrifice some rest time for GT3.

 

Provench is ready to trade in.....

And yes I would do the same. The very mention of an AWD TSX has me salivating at the mouth I can see it now, 240HP AWD, but then who the hell would buy a TL? There are too many obstacles in the way that would have to be cleared up before we see a AWD TSX.

 

First of all, my last comment on mods: I don't plan to do much to my car. And, I partially agree with B-D's point. If I wanted to spend thousands extra, I might just go for a TL. BUT, that said, I respect the posters here who are interested in mods. I suspect that part of what motivates them has more to do with the enthusiast mentality than actual speed. That is, whatever vehicle they drive, they want to max out performance. I think that was Rzee's basic point. They care less about power then the challenge of maxing out their vehicles.

Also, whether I want to mod or not, I respect the right of others here to discuss it without getting flamed, and I learn a lot from the relevant threads. Who knows? The day may come when I want to add a hondata application etc.

Finally, to this issue of AWD, curious why so many of you are interested. I guess this may be an egocentric question because I live in Southern California (no snow, no ice, not even much rain!).

 

I'm interested because of the wheather conditions up here in Canada. And the hope that an AWD version brings more power. so I won't have to mod my car.

And is adding Hondata, an intake, cams, basic engine modification really childish? I would only ever consider underhood mods because noone can see them, unlike stickers, bodykits, lowering and rims which can be considered (but is'nt IMO) ricey.

 

Has it ever occur to you that people bought their TSXs because they wanted a solid FWD platform with acceptable handling for them to build on? Why does it have to be just another family sedan, just because you say so? You are obviously not someone who enjoys working on your cars, so your opinion is as good as any old lady on the street.

 

No, I don't buy cars to have my head under the hood, up on lifts and in the shop, I buy them to drive. Acura is already asking a lot of this 4-Banger, I am not sure how much more you are going to be able to squeeze out of it until you start shaving some weight. My ONLY point is that $$$ vs. gains will not be worth it. Chipping an Audi is one thing, but this is totally different.

 

Exactly my point.
Oh yeah, how hard is that to do? Forget about getting your hands dirty, you don't even have to think. What is the fun in that?

 

people that mod their cars smell funny.

 

Why spend $27,000 on a new car just to get your hands dirty?

My reference to chipping an Audi was because it is quick, cheap and effective, so I can see how that would be worth it. If you love working on cars all day while others are out driving them, then maybe you should have been a mechanic?

 

I had an Audi S4 and decided to chip it and shortly after the engine blew up. Most I'll do now is put aftermarket exhausts or intakes on any car i buy. as far as engine mods go.

 

Buff, its obvious to most of us you are an ass, but I've never realized how ignorant you are.

Some people enjoy modifiying their cars, working on them, learning about them, customizing them. Its a HOBBY .. and interest. Its been going on for at least 50 years, and will continue to go on. Go to ANY auto forum, and you will find these people. Its passion they have ....just like....golf...or collecting stamps..or whatever. If you dont enjoy or understand this sort of thing ...then fine, go away..we''ve heard your opinion. I would love to sit here and school you on all of this but I dont have the time or patience. The sky is green, the sky is purple, ok fine..whatever...now go away.

You are seriously pissing me off now. Take your head out of your ass, or..if you prefer to leave it in there (yes we can all have our opinions) then start your own thread instead of hijacking this one.

 

What are all the avaialble mods for a TSX?

- Injen CAI
- AEM Short Ram
- Comptech Header, Intake, Exhaust
- Front and Rear Sway bars
- Lowering Springs
- ??What else am I missing.

A Database of available parts/mods would be nice.

How many different exhaust/header apps are there so far? Whats coming down the pipe? We all know Hondata, how about a larger Throttle body? does its Throttle body work the same as old VTEC's or has drive-by-wire changed that?

I had intake, exhaust and a bored out throttle body on my Integ, thats why I ask.

 

Well then I guess our definitions of ignorance differ. Keep spending away, I hope you find what you are looking for...

 

Buff.....just finished reading your posts and have to ask what is the definition of ignorance is in your dictionary?

Why do you come to this site if you're so deeply entrenched in your belief that modding the TSX is a waste of money, especially when you don't even own a f***** TSX!!!!

If modding a vehicle, any vehicle, is a waste of money...so you say...than why did you bother with your call at all. I'd assume you could have owned a preowned bimmer that I'm sure would be reliable and you could have saved thousands

This thread wasn't titled " TSX Modifications or Buy BMW 330xi"

 

Looks like fdl started this thread in the beginning to discuss the potential modifications that can be made to the TSX and what results they would bring. So now, Buff, you've stated your opinion, to which you are entitled. But, I don't see you contributing anything else to the thread except bashing folks for wanting to mod their cars. If you don't have anything new to contribute then shut up, move on, and let the rest of us exchange mod ideas. As for the rest of you, just ignore Buff and don't respond to his provoking posts and he'll go away.

 

I don't buy used cars because you never know what someone has done or how someone has driven a pre-owned vehicle. I lease for a lot fo reasons and the maintenance is free during the entire lease which saves a lot of money as well. And I lease a 325xi, not a 330xi. The extra power was not needed and therefore not worth the extra 5k+

 

Oh goodie, teachers here to lead the class...

Listen Mr. 26 posts, I think these guys can take care of themselves. If they wanted to post about mods, I don't see how I could be stopping them and I am 100% sure they don't need your direction...

 

As if they need your bullshit as well?

 

Maybe not, but at least I provided some basis for my opinions and didn't just jump in like a cheerleader...

I keep waiting for someone to give me some $$$ vs. gains? $3,000 in mods = 30 extra hp? That's $100 = 1hp gain? You want to talk about it and get into it, then let's do it, let's see some #'s!

 

Well, I havent spend one penny on modding my car yet, and still havent decided if I will or not. I'd have to look at whats available , the cost, and what can be gained. But thats why we have threads like this, to discuss. You mentioned the audi chip being a smart mod, well maybe hondata +cai will be close enough? We dont know what the gains will be or how much it will cost. (this is just an example, i realize it probably wont be the case)

See, I understand your whole point...but here is the problem ..

1/ You can't use your opinion to generalize. Some mods may be worth the money. And in other cases, well cost may be irrelevant because the person enjoys modding their car as a hobby. SO for them its still worth it. You cant paint everyone and every situation with the same brush because it works for yourself.

2/ Your point is really not relevant to this thread. If you feel strongly about not modding, then start a separate thread.

3/ Even if I were to agree with you that ALL modding for the TSX is a waste of money or whatever, and even if I dont end up buying a single mod for my car, discussions about mods will still interest me as an auto enthusiast and a TSX fan.

 

Yeah, you did. Read what the other people have already told you: we heard you the first time, now shut the hell up.

 

I bet you are no so tough in person... I laugh at people like you that talk tough with the keyboard...

 

Easy, just put him on your "Ignore List"... Zap! He's gone!!!!

Santa Rosa Steve