BusyShifter

Certain type of image comes with certain type brand. You know, believe or not, there are people who made the choice for not owing BMW so they won't be stereotyped as bad driver/people. Thanks for people like you (and Nikki), I would always think twice before purchasing a BMW.

Jason

Thanks for the post. What the hell is YOUR point MF? We know he overpaid, I wrote that in my last post. There's no question he could have and should have negotiated the price down. I think my point is that even though he overpaid, it's not as ridiculous as many people here are insinuating.

Since you bring it up I'll mention again I don't like BMWs. I think they are POS because:

1. Unreliable (or not as reliable as an overpriced POS should be)
2. Ugly
3. Poor ergonomics
4. Poorly styled interiors
5. Cold/German
6. Way overpriced
7. Pretentious

I hope you're satisfied.

Jason

Another worthless post.

hwani.j30a-c

Look at your another dumb post. All subjective matter, none of them facts.
Get it? This is what Iam trying to tell you. At age of 31, you still can't figure that out.

1. Unreliable : Yes, not the most reliable. Check recent Consumer's magazine, reliability of the 3 series improved massively.
2. Ugly : You too. *Subjective
3. Poor ergonomics: Read some reviews
4. Poorly styled interiors: You too. *Subjective
5. Cold/German: Rice/Japan? *Subjective
6. Way overpriced: Blame your income. *Subjective
7. Pretentious: obstinacy. *Subjective

Please. Don't you have kids to take care of?

Jason

No shit dumbass. Subjective, hence opinion. It's my opinion your car is an overpriced, ugly, unreliable, poorly designed, low tech (forgot that one), cold piece of shit. Think what you want.

dom

I don't think this thread needs to be closed just yet.

Jason

I missed this. How pretentious are you anway? Dude, I can afford a $70K car if I want one. I choose not to spend the money. Now I'm just guessing, but I'd be willing to bet you blew your whole load on that 330i you got there. Impressive.

dom

Jason, so what kind of dog you getting?

joerockt

Im thinking pit-bull

Jason

Flat-coated Retriever.

http://www.fcrsainc.org/index.html

Crazy Bimmer

I love the unreliablity argument.

J.D powers for 2005 for dependabilty
Problems per 100 Vehicles
Lexus 139
Porsche 149
Lincoln 151
Buick 163
Cadillac 175
Infiniti 178
Toyota 194
Mercury 195
Honda 201
Acura 203
BMW 225
Ford 231
Chevrolet 232
Chrysler 235
Industry Average 237
Saturn 240
Oldsmobile 242
GMC 245
Pontiac 245
Mazda 252
Hyundai 260
Subaru 260
Volvo 266
Jaguar 268
Dodge 273
Nissan 275
Mitsubishi 278
Mercedes-Benz 283
Saab 286
Jeep 289
Suzuki 292
Audi 312
Daewoo 318
Isuzu 331
Volkswagen 335
MINI 383
Land Rover 395
Kia 397
http://www.autonews.com/defaultRegis...s?newsId=12688

Wow look at how poorly BMW did. Half you guys need to realize that this isnt the 80s anymore and things have changed. American cars arent POS anymore and some german cars can last for a long time. Japanese cars are great but they arent what they use to be. (legend)

Crazy Bimmer

1. See my other post
2. Thats your taste, i can live with that
3. Been proven german cars have some of the best ergonmics
4. Im not a fan of the new interiors either
5. WTF does that mean
6. Own one then you will understand on what you pay for. Acuras are a bargain which is what makes bmws LOOK overpriced. I will admit they look overpriced on PAPER but theres more to them than that.
7. They earned that many times over.

Meh your reasonings arent that great and you seem to just be babbling. Which is cool but you would get eaten ALIVE if you came into Car Talk.

That is all. This is over and out!

Jason

So you wrote that you agree with a few of the things I said yet my reasoning isn't that great? They're my opinions so they're great to me.

GIBSON6594

Good thing he didn't bash the Audi

Crazy Bimmer

I dont defend the audi in the reliablity department

bradykp

i'm gonna have to say that although BMWs are decent cars (even though there were only 2 cars including BMW towards the top of the quality list posted):

You can't say they aren't a bit overpriced. Almost ALL cars are slightly overpriced, and just like with any product, BMW capatilzes on name recognition and charges a little bit more than they should be.

You can say it's worth it because of certain things about the car you think make it great, but that's a tough argument.

It'd be like arguing that Sony isn't overpriced in their industry. Decent product, but overpriced.

Acura's are great deals.

Crazy Bimmer

Im just basing most of my comments on my experiences after owning an acura and bmw. Of which i dont own either one now so i like to think i make unbiased comments.

i still dont think bmw are overpriced even after going from a 31k TLS to a 41k 330ci. I think it was well worth the 10k difference. Like you said though thats a tough argument since people want different things from their cars. Most of you guys bought the TSX for the bang of the buck which makes this thread even funnier.

I agree on capatilzing on the name, then again thats why the U.S. has Acura, Lexus, Infiniti...etc. We americans love to buy name brand things and deep down dont mind paying a little extra for it. Hell look at the accord and TL, those two sure do have a lot in common and most options are the same on both. You telling me people wouldnt rather spend a little more just to get an Acura badge?

fuckleberry

lol this thread is turning into a good ol' bar fight, minus the chicks

Jason

I think you're making an excellent point here. The reasoning for determining whether a car is overpriced doesn't necessarily have to do with whether you can afford it or not, but whether you think it is worth it. Some think yes and some think no.

I think you see this trend developing around the world, not just in the U.S. Europe has more choices than ever and Lexus is now (or is about to be) available in Japan.

You're not wrong here but you're simplifying it just a bit too much. I think we can all agree there is a substantial difference in the quality of the materials of the TL vs. the Accord. Similar options yes, but it's the execution that's worth the extra $7K or so. Execution and a few unique features such as Handsfree Link, Bi-Xenon, etc.

Crazy Bimmer

You just proved my point.

Thats how i feel when comparing the 325 to a TSX. The extra money is worth it since the bmw offers few more things that the tsx doesnt have. Let alone a inline 6 engine thats worth it right there.

West6MT

My dad has thought about picking up a 325. If he gets it I can compare it to my TSX,.....only thing is its an auto (BLAH) he is looking at. I have never driven a BMW before, but I wanna see why everyone says they are so good to drive. He is also looking at a Subie, G35x, and a TL. If he does decide to trade in his infiniti,......I think it is going to be for the TL. The BMW is an 04 a lady we know has,....she wants to get rid of it. Her husband got it, then passed away and she is stuck with the payments so we might take over her lease,....he put a big deposit down on it. My dad is reluctant though because of reliability/maintenance issues.

What do you think about all the cars I mentioned?

Jason

I thought your point of comparing two cars within a corporation was ok, not comparing a 325 and TSX. In my mind this debate is completely subjective.

I look at the 3-series and I see an ugly, pretentious car. I look deeper and I know it is wonderfully fast, handles great, and has a certain quality to it that nobody can quantify other than knowing it makes the car.

But then reality hits. I look at the TSX and I see a car that is close to the driving dynamics of the BMW but offers things BMW can't. For example, I need a navigation system for my job and Acura's is the best. BMW is well down the chart in this area. The 3-series also lags in technology integration. Using a BMW vs. Acura is like using a PC vs. a Mac.

One other thing the BMW lacks is FWD. I live in Chicago and I prefer having a Front wheel drive car. I'm more than happy to sacrifice that extra bit of 9/10 handling for safety in the snow. The TSX is arguably one of the best FWD handling cars in the world, so it's really not that big a sacrifice to me. And I covet handling. I gladly bought a 2006 TSX instead of a 2006 TL for this reason.

97AcuraCL

wow you're nuts!

bradykp

it's more than just the acura badge. the leather is nicer in the acura, it's a luxury version of the same car. maybe it's not completely worth the price difference, but it mostly is.

and acura tsx isn't necessarily just bang for your buck, it's a great priced great performing car, but you are paying for it.

it's just that the other cars in it's class are overpriced for the most part, so it's a better deal.

what does the 330ci have over your old TLS that makes it 10k better? plus, don't forget to mention all the added fun of fixing your beamer and how expensive that is. my dad has a 528, and it's fun to drive, but not worth the wait at the mechanic to drive it. i'll pass on the beamers until someday when i consider an M5, but even then, there's other cars priced close to it that i would probably purchase over it.

hwani.j30a-c

Finally you posted something worthwhile. You are not so lifeless dumbass afterall.

Your points in this post is very valid and I completely agree.
BMW's i-drive(navi) does suck. If you get used to it though, its a handy system.
Me? I don't like it. I got a chance to use TL navigation. boy, that was fun.

As for 3 series lagging in technology integration, I disagree. Look at all the features in 3,5,7 series, and modes in M series. Something japanese manufacturers can't come out with. BMW lack in general electrical engineering. If you know anything about BMW, you would know when it comes down to eletronics, its just terrible.

BMW "lacks FWD". thats far the best quote i've ever heard. I am going to post
that in few other forums I go to, just to see some response. lol.

But you know what, honestly, I wouldn't mind a FWD if it handles good as TSX.
TSX just need some power. Put a torquey v6(hopefully a one that doesn't weigh too much, Front engine/FWD cars are already nose-heavy) in there, TSX gets my vote. Don't put any honda V6 in there though, J series still lack low-end torque.

Jason

How mature of you. When you quote me, try to include that I live in Chicago, drive as part of my job, and understand that RWD is superior for performance. Again, I'm willing to forfeit that extra bit of performance to make it easier to travel during winter. And I'm not interested in the added expense/hassle of snow tires.

EDIT: So you and the other BMW fanboys don't look down on me, let me add that I can afford snow tires but I choose not to deal with them.

joerockt

Guess what prick, your proving the BMW drivers status quo...Keep talking...

hwani.j30a-c

ah, I can see maturity of THIS board. It was a freaking joke in case you didn't catch it. didn't you see the "lol" behind it? I am not going to waste my time with that crap, I have better things to do in m life then quoting someone's pathetic sentence.

Stop getting all offended. its like dealing with north koreans here, getting offended by every single thing. I wonder why. Feel insecure?
And don't worry, "me and other bmw fanboys" won't look down on you.
I don't want to deal with snow tires either. RWD/summer tires, lets see how long I survive.

Jason

Originally Posted by Jason
How mature of you. When you quote me, try to include that I live in Chicago, drive as part of my job, and understand that RWD is superior for performance. Again, I'm willing to forfeit that extra bit of performance to make it easier to travel during winter. And I'm not interested in the added expense/hassle of snow tires.

EDIT: So you and the other BMW fanboys don't look down on me, let me add that I can afford snow tires but I choose not to deal with them.

How ironic.

hwani.j30a-c

right, and other boards now think TSX owners are just plain ignorant and biased. We are all watching this thread and laughing. Thanks to you guys for good humor.

Jee, even maturity of clubRSX is better than this. I am done with this pointless thread. Some people just will never learn I guess. Have fun with your TSXs. Maybe i'll tell my sister to get one, just to see how it performs.

Tell DarkAngel I said hi. Now he is a one cool TSX owner.

TSX6one9

Man can someone kill this thread already!

joerockt

Seriously, :whocares:

waTSX

[QUOTE=hwani.j30a-c]Finally you posted something worthwhile. You are not so lifeless dumbass afterall. [\QUOTE]
First off, try re-reading what you've just written, because nothing screams "lifeless dumbass" more than poorly-written language. Your grammar sucks.

[QUOTE=hwani.j30a-c]BMW "lacks FWD". thats far the best quote i've ever heard. I am going to post that in few other forums I go to, just to see some response. lol.[\QUOTE]
He stated his reasons for favoring FWD without disparaging the performance virtues of RWD.

[QUOTE=hwani.j30a-c]TSX just need some power. Put a torquey v6(hopefully a one that doesn't weigh too much, Front engine/FWD cars are already nose-heavy) in there, TSX gets my vote. Don't put any honda V6 in there though, J series still lack low-end torque.[\QUOTE]

Sorry, the BMW I6 lacks torque also, by most accounts. I've driven the E90 325i, and it in no way blows away the TSX in the power department. Better? Sure. Substantially better? No. Like the TSX, it has adequate power, and plenty to have lots of fun with. It will not pin you back in your seat.

Another common complaint among E90 owners has been ergonomics. WTF is up with the new turn signal configuration? Cup holders are poorly placed, and window and doorlock switches are difficult to access. These are not my complaints, but those of E90 owners.

FWIW, I think the new Bimmers are great to drive, but they certainly do have their flaws, like any other marque.

BusyShifter

What are you waiting for, a farewell party?? Geeze.
Thanks for making wherever you go a better place.

fuckleberry

jlukja

^^

GIBSON6594

Did someone wrap a condom around this thread cause it's taking forever to finish?

cha-ching

Crazy Bimmer

Zing!


Even i was tired of the topic and gave up.

PsychoInDenial

wow that was a good read, why the hell is it still open?

Jason

So stop posting and let it die.