Jim Holloman

From Car and Driver, April, 2005, P. 50, referring to the 2006 330i:

"Infiniti's G35 has a 280-hp version of the corporate 3.5-liter V-6. The upcoming Audi A4 has 252 horsepower. And the Mercedes C-class will soon get a 268-hp four-valve V-6. In this league, BMW's ultra-smooth 225-hp inline six has fallen dangerously behind."

"...this new BMW inline six, called the R6, will produce 255 horsepower at 6600 RPM, 20 more ponies at 700 revs higher than its predecessor, the M54, while making 220 pound-feet of torque at 2750 rpm, six more pound-feet at 750 rpm lower than the M54 produced."

Then, on P. 53:

"Of course, the 330i sedan, is only the start. When it arrives here next month, there will also be a 325i will a 215-hp, 2.5 liter version of the 3.0 liter six using a simpler induction system."

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I sure hope Acura will be able to give us a boost in horsepower, with no large decrease in mileage, in either 2006 or 2007. While gas prices climb skyward, it is clear that the horsepower race is on. Is Acura going to participate? It appears that BMW has done the right thing with their inline six.

CGTSX2004

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BMW can't compete in the horsepower race w/ just an I-6. Unless they start doing forced induction, they're going to run out of room to package the engine in that compact car body.

And if Acura is indeed going forced induction, expect to see some big numbers from the likes of the TSX.

indydriver

That really puts into perspective the great job Acura did with the K24 in the TSX. Vaunted BMW is only getting 215 hp out of a 2.5 6cyl? That's embarrassing. Even the 255 hp version is nothing to write home about.

BTW, the G35 6MT comes with 298 hp. Now we're talkin'!

05_TSX_GP

there's indeed talks/rumours about BMW using a turbo to bridge the gap between the upcoming 330i and the next M3 which should have a V8 in it.

ClutchPerformer

It's actually a 3.0L. The only difference this time around is the intake system as the article states.

dom

That 2.5L in the new 3 series will not be making its way to NA. Its Europe only. Instead we're getting a 3.0L making the 215HP.

ClutchPerformer

BlueCLS6

A friend of mine has a S/C'd K24 in his EP3 Civic that made an untuned 311whp/241wtq at only 10psi. With a light-pressure turbo (4-6psi) the K24 can EASILY make 250hp which I think would be a good number for the car. I still won't believe until I see it, that Honda is going into production (in the states) with a FI engine, but I would love one if it's true!

n3ok318

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well guys.. we're behind the HP race for sure. but our cars are not meant to be fast

and i have to say this..

OUR CARS WILL BE PERFECT WITH MORE HORSIES!!!

05_TSX_GP

Wow! Really?!? BMW has the new 3.0L I6 (currently in the 630Ci) that makes about 255HP. So that 255HP 3.0L won't even be in the new 3er (E90) that's coming to North America?? In that case, I am even more happy that I got my TSX and ditched my E90 plan...

05_TSX_GP

yeah, the TSX is not fast but it is fast and quick enough for every day border-line legal speed and great handling that we can all appreciate. Not to mention all the standard features that make it a great package.

That said, more HP is always always welcome

dom

No. There will be a 325 and a 330. Both have a 3L I6. One making 215HP and the other 255. The difference is the 215HP version has a single intake runner while the 255HP version has a triple (I think) intake runner and a revised egine management CPU.

Europe will not be getting the 3L making 215HP, instead they're getting a 2.5L making the 215HP. Why

supraken

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Because in the US we have the "Bigger is better" mentality. Europeans and the rest of the world care more about efficiency, esp with the tripled gas prices.. although in reality it probably doesn't make a big difference in gas mileage (2.5l vs 3.0), people will still think the 2.5l is more efficient.

I think the 3 series will do just fine even though number wise it's behind in the competition... When was the last time that hp was teh selling point of the 3 series? 3 series is all about refinement, handling, and to some people prestige.

but they should sqeeze more power out of our K24's.... I'm pretty sure Acura has plans for 06 to stay in competition.

dom

Not really actually. The new IS250 will have ~205, TSX-200, A4-200, 9-3-210, S40-170 or 220, C230 has less than 200 I think and even the new CTS with the 2.8L has ~215.

But your right in that BMW's are not about HP.

CGTSX2004

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BMW will do just fine because there are plenty of snooty stuck-up, self-indulgent, self-righteous, arrogant pricks out there that think anything other than a BMW is below them even though they can only afford the lowest end, most stripped down model without squat in it.

sauceman

::cough::gilbo::cough::saintor::cough::cough.

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supraken

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exactly what I was thinking.... but worded more....ehh... directly

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I'm just so sick of hearing "well my car is better than yours because my car is a BMW"... Unless if gives you a fucking blowjob each night and serves you breakfast in the morning, the lone fact that it's a BMW does not make it a better car, no matter what the BMW salesman told you.

biker

In Europe and other parts of the world people pay tax on their cars depending on displacement - ever wonder why a 2.5L engine displaces 2499cc and not 2501cc?

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What exactly is the difference in taxes for the 2cc?

dom

Only if optioned out with the Gilboman package :ghey:

biker

Most tax laws read: up to 2500cc you pay x, above that you pay x+y and y could be a big number.

vitocorleone

Thanks for the laugh.

While I think it'd be very nice to have a turbo TSX in the line up, I wouldn't buy it as I much prefer NA engines.

iNteGraz92

those are the people who say "i can get a 3 series for only a few thousand more"
yeah, a base 3.

05_TSX_GP

Totally

I was planning to spend at least $15k (CAD) more had I kept to my E90 plan. Now my wife will happily go with me to shop for a plasma TV in much earlier timeframe.

05_TSX_GP

I second that

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As much as I admire Honda for producing absolutely phenomenal small displacement NA engines, the limitations of going NA are being reached for production cars. Going FI will allow Honda to expand on their existing engines without adding significant cost in creating new engine clocks with ever increasingly larger displacements and resorting to significantly more expensive materials to produce parts precise enough to handle ever higher rotational speeds.

mg7726

i have no problem with honda building turbos

shoot, my bro's wrx is rock solid and it's boosted...i am sure if honda can better subaru in the AWD department, they can better everyone else in the turbo department too

if they build a boosted tsx, an awd tl, and a nice v6 rdx...i'm screwed. WHICH WILL I BUY?!?!

supraken

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A bit off topic, but I heard that in certain countries in Europe, parking ticket rates are based on your income, a certain percentage of your income. Is this true? The rumor I heard was some CEO of some company got a parking ticket that was 10's of thousands dollars because he made millions....

supraken

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I think Honda won't have problem with engines with high rational speeds....

Did you know that Honda made the 365cc 33hp s360 in 1962 with a 9000rpm redline?
and then in 1963 the first production Honda car with 531cc, 44hp, the s500 with a 9500rpm redline.

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I don't think you understood what I meant. I realize that Honda is quite capable of building super high rotational speed engines. However, at some point, it becomes too cost prohibitive to continue to balance the parts to allow ever increasingly larger engines to perform at high rotational speeds. This is why an 8000 rpm redline engine in the NSX costs so much to produce.

Kawaii

i don't think honda's going to turbo the tsx, and if they do i won't buy it...basically all cars with stock turbos are unreliable and end up having way too many problems.

CGTSX2004

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A rather big generalization, don't you think? Especially considering Honda's reputation for reliability and the fact that they already have done turbo engines in the Japanese market, I wouldn't be surprised to see a fairly reliable turbo engine from an engine company like Honda.

Kawaii

better safe than sorry....i didn't mean i would never buy one, but i won't be the first in line.

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Well, since the motor in question is purported to appear in the RDX first, we'll have plenty of time to see if there are issues before we'll likely see it in the TSX.

Kawaii

yeah when is that thing coming out anyway? Fall?

CGTSX2004

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Check the RDX section of the forum for details.

Kawaii

or you could just tell me.

waTSX