I dig the Ac's but wonder do they have the same pull typical in FWD sports cars around corners?

 

FWD cars push, not pull...

And it's a FWD car. At the limits, you will see understeer. Can be neutralized to a great extent with a heftier rear sway bar.

 

I always thought opposite

Reason why is most of the weight is behind the front wheels. So wouldnt you be pulling something from the front and pushing something from behind?

 

Maybe he's referring to torque steer.

In which case, the torque steer is minimal on the TSX. The 6MT TL has more torque steer because of the added power and limited slip differential.

 

Understeer is described as push. The car pushes wide. It doesn't pull wide.

 

CG was referring to understeer. FWD and RWD cars are usually set up to understeer from the factory but a RWD can be coaxed into oversteer with more throttle in a corner.

 

Yea, like Dan said he was probably talking about torque steer. I was just talking about power and pulling the mass fromt the front rather then "pushing" it from behind.

 

He might mean that FWD cars get pulled because the center of gravity is behind the drive wheels.

 

FWD sports car?

 

What? Never driven a Prelude?

 

RSX, integra...and thats just honda/acura

 

I dunno, you would get a lot of arguments saying those cars are "sports" cars. I know insurance co's dont think they are.

Now, if you said S2000, Boxster...now were talkin, but of course their RWD.

 

IMO the ITR is much more of a sports car than a boxster

 

And since when do insurance companies know the first thing about cars?

 

those are "sporty" vehicles, not sports cars.

 

huh? whats the difference? If they were RWD would they be sports cars? Don't tell me ITR is just a "sporty vehicle" (whatever that means)

 

The ignorance that prevails amongst some people amazes me. Hopefully all the RWD drivers that got spanked by a TSX in SCCA races should trade in their sporty cars for a non sport FF like ours. It's high time to get rid of all these labels and take a look at the lap times on the track. The only thing that really matters, (whether the car is front, rear, all, or hell just one wheel drive) is how the car drives. Some RWD cars are nothing close to sporty and some are.....get it. And for those who insist on maintaining that a sport car cannot be FF, please contact RealTimeRacing and let them know before they waste the entire race season on just a "sporty car". I'm sure they would be pleased to get such expert advice

Peace Out!

 

or maybe the poster should ask questions when he's not drunk7daysaweek. no reason for us to try and figure out what he's asking when it didn't make sense in the first place.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't a LSD reduce torque steer since the power is better distributed between the front wheels?

Slats

 

nope, w/o a LSD when a wheel slips it takes all of the power and just keeps spinning. when going around a turn, this will be the front inside wheel since it has the least amount of force on it. w/ a LSD the wheels are locked, so instead of a wheel freely spinning, all of the power will transfer to the wheel w/ traction. on a turn the outside wheel will put down the power. as you can imagine a wheel w/ traction and power will cause more torque steer than a wheel w/ no traction and power.

 

well you wont be amazed with people ignorance if you learn to read and comprehend what they are saying correctly.

did i say fwd=not a sports car?

rsx, tegs, celicas, civics, or anything in that segment is not considered a sports car in stock form. having two door doesn't qualify a car to be in the sports car segment. if the two wheels in the back spins, that doesn't qualify a car to be considered a sports car. do you understand now? do i need to make myself more clear?

in stock form, the cars i listed above are not sports cars, they are "sporty". Not because they're fwd.

 

where the heck did you get that idea from? did i say all rear wheel driven vehicles are considered sports cars?

the cars he mentioned and the cars in that segment does not qualify to be sports cars. well, not in stock form.

if any of you truly believe that a stock rsx or anything in that segment is considered a sports car, you have not experienced the sportiness in a sports car.

 

So in your opinion, what qualifies as a "sports car" as opposed to a "sporty car"?

 

funny, coz an RSX is quite expensive for insurance for me, coz they consider it sports car

 

I never said anything about you saying all RWD vehicles being sports cars. I do question whether you think any FWD vehicles are sports cars.

Please define what a sports car is to us. And spare us 0-60 times responses and price relations. Is the Mazda Miata a sports car? It has all the same characteristics of the S2000, its just not as fast. So is speed purely what makes a car a sports car? If so those new Bentley Continental GT's can move like crazy. Are Bently's sports cars? To me it's the combination of aspects including handeling, speed and power, and control. The teg and RSX are a pretty great combo of these things. Not the best, but to get better you need to spend more money. Price should have no bearing on sports cars status (i.e. STI, EVO).

Please explain your opinion, and try include more than just personal thoughts and opinions. Giving an example of your idea of a FWD sports car might help.

 

Your joking right?

 

Here's the definition of a "sports car":

The noun "sports car" has 1 sense in WordNet.

1. sports car, sport car -- (a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons)

Out of the box, the RSX and ITR do NOT have high-powered engines....

 

By that definition, the Lotus Elise is not a sportscar either.

By that definition, the entire class of racing cars in SCCA that runs on Ford Zetec motors would not be considered sports cars.

That definiton is bogus. A sports car is not defined by the engine, a sports car is defined by power to weight ratio, suspension tuning, and intended purpose.

 

I like dictionary.com's definition better:


Well an ITR might technically not be a two seater but neither are most Porsches. I think the rest of the definition still applies...

 

No, I'm not joking. The insurance industry runs based on statistics and real numbers, not classifications. They assess the risk associated with the driver against the value of the vehicle. They don't really know, or care, what people define as a sports car. They only care about how they can classify a car to make the most money.

 

To me, that is key.

Let me make a small list here:

ITR
CTR
Prelude Type S
Celica GTS
Sentra Se-R Spec-V
Mazdaspeed Protegé
Clio RS
106 S16
206 S16
Alfa Romeo GTA line
Seat Ibiza (Not sure about drivetrain on this one though)

And surely there are more..

 

Ford Focus RS
Seat Leon Cupra R
206 RC

 

Right.

So I can slap a supercharger on a Kia Rio and call it a sports car?

Maybe on your planet...

 

Only has 220hp but I'd call it a sports car.

 

Holy Batman

 

You're on crack if you don't consider the Lotus a sportscar


Nope, because it's still a Kia Rio that came from the factory as a four door economy car family sedan. Plus, what does a dedicated tube frame race car running a Ford Zetec motor have to do with a Kia?

 

What does that have to do with a sports car? Racing cars are in their own catagory. I'm talking about cars direct from the factory, not one-offs or modifieds or cars designed for racing.

 

Sorry, forgot the after my "Right".

 

Wow, this it too HOT not to poke my head in for a piece of the action

Now I'll list one car that breaks definitions listed so far...

McLaren F1

It was NOT designed to be a race car - its designer Gordon Murray specifically said that. Racing teams begged him to let them race the F1 after it's competed and launched as the ultimate street legal sports car. But wait, it's a 3-seater!!! So can't be a sports car by "defintion"??

IMHO, it's meaningless to argue over definitions.

Now would drunk7daysaweek please stand up and clarify your original question?

 

Every post of yours I see of yours talks about the F1

Is a three seater? I always thought it was a 1 seater with a seat directly in the middle of the cabin.