First Impressions
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First Impressions
My wife and I test drove a TSX at Apple Tree Acura in Flectcher, NC (1-800-476-9411) and placed a deposit on a 2004 model that is expected to arrive by the end of Sept., 2004. I was very impressed with the dealership and the salesman, Matt Sewitsky. He really knows his cars and he is able to tailor his approach to the customer's needs.
I spent about 30 mins. with the car (in daylight), and I have very favorable impressions. It has the automatic transmission. However, there are a few things that I found to be undesirable. I would like to have comments, and feedback, from those that have spent a lot more time with the car than I regarding this things.
1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
8) Digital readout of speed.
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
Overall, I liked the way the car drove. It is a very enjoyable car to drive. The brakes are the best that I have experienced. The bumps are easily felt with the 17 inch, 50 profile tires, but the handling is better than the Accord. The trunk space is larger than I had expected. The car is smaller than any road car that I have previously owned, but the leg room is good and the head room is adequate (I am 6' 0"). After driving the car, I had to ask the salesman (Matt Sewitshy), "This is a front-wheel drive, isn't it?" I anxiously await the impression the car leaves after I spend 16 hours beind the wheel.
I spent about 30 mins. with the car (in daylight), and I have very favorable impressions. It has the automatic transmission. However, there are a few things that I found to be undesirable. I would like to have comments, and feedback, from those that have spent a lot more time with the car than I regarding this things.
1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
8) Digital readout of speed.
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
Overall, I liked the way the car drove. It is a very enjoyable car to drive. The brakes are the best that I have experienced. The bumps are easily felt with the 17 inch, 50 profile tires, but the handling is better than the Accord. The trunk space is larger than I had expected. The car is smaller than any road car that I have previously owned, but the leg room is good and the head room is adequate (I am 6' 0"). After driving the car, I had to ask the salesman (Matt Sewitshy), "This is a front-wheel drive, isn't it?" I anxiously await the impression the car leaves after I spend 16 hours beind the wheel.
2004 CG TSX w/ At & NAV
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sounds like you should get something else. if the things that bother u are a lack of compas (wooptie doo) and the tach being on the left side (like every other car) maybe u should get the benz or something. i love the tsx. i wouldnt trade it for anything except a tl lol :killer:
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whoseanthony,
No car is perfect, and neither is the TSX. The Japanese believe in "continuous improvement." Every car, every airplane, every computer, every camera is a compromise. So, while I might find fault with you beloved TSX, there are things that can be improved on the car.
No car is perfect, and neither is the TSX. The Japanese believe in "continuous improvement." Every car, every airplane, every computer, every camera is a compromise. So, while I might find fault with you beloved TSX, there are things that can be improved on the car.
Burning Brakes
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are you serious about the tach and speedo? the majority of cars have the setup the same way w/ the tach on the left and speedo on the right. also, every car i have been in has had the mph markings like that, 10, 20, 30. i have never seen any car w/ the markings 15, 25, 35, etc. but i think all cars do have 55mph marked.
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
My wife and I test drove a TSX at Apple Tree Acura in Flectcher, NC (1-800-476-9411) and placed a deposit on a 2004 model that is expected to arrive by the end of Sept., 2004. I was very impressed with the dealership and the salesman, Matt Sewitsky. He really knows his cars and he is able to tailor his approach to the customer's needs.
I spent about 30 mins. with the car (in daylight), and I have very favorable impressions. It has the automatic transmission. However, there are a few things that I found to be undesirable. I would like to have comments, and feedback, from those that have spent a lot more time with the car than I regarding this things.
1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
8) Digital readout of speed.
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
Overall, I liked the way the car drove. It is a very enjoyable car to drive. The brakes are the best that I have experienced. The bumps are easily felt with the 17 inch, 50 profile tires, but the handling is better than the Accord. The trunk space is larger than I had expected. The car is smaller than any road car that I have previously owned, but the leg room is good and the head room is adequate (I am 6' 0"). After driving the car, I had to ask the salesman (Matt Sewitshy), "This is a front-wheel drive, isn't it?" I anxiously await the impression the car leaves after I spend 16 hours beind the wheel.
I spent about 30 mins. with the car (in daylight), and I have very favorable impressions. It has the automatic transmission. However, there are a few things that I found to be undesirable. I would like to have comments, and feedback, from those that have spent a lot more time with the car than I regarding this things.
1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
8) Digital readout of speed.
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
Overall, I liked the way the car drove. It is a very enjoyable car to drive. The brakes are the best that I have experienced. The bumps are easily felt with the 17 inch, 50 profile tires, but the handling is better than the Accord. The trunk space is larger than I had expected. The car is smaller than any road car that I have previously owned, but the leg room is good and the head room is adequate (I am 6' 0"). After driving the car, I had to ask the salesman (Matt Sewitshy), "This is a front-wheel drive, isn't it?" I anxiously await the impression the car leaves after I spend 16 hours beind the wheel.
dont have a problem.2 - You'll get used to it, although I never found it a problem. Little nit-picky dont you think?
3 - Again, nit-picky...and if your wondering why the speedometer goes over 100, you need to ask yourself if this is the type of car for you. And besides, what sports sedan dosent have a speedometer that shows over 100????
4 - Hids are projection lights, which makes them easy to adjust. And besides, who cares about the other driver? They'll get over it...
5 - A compass?? LOL... Thats what navi is for...
6 - If you had waited a couple of more months, you would have gotten this wish.
7 - No comment, I have a 6mt.
8 -
I'd like an ice cream dispenser, but it wansnt an option on the TSX. 9 - See #8
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answers to your comments,
1- move seat back. i'm 6' and happens to me too.
2- that's on all acuras
3- get a radar detector...necessary for 'spirited' highway driving
4- don't worry about it. you have auto dimming rearview mirrors
5- useless, if you have the navi option it has one
6- get the '05 model
7- there's ambient light to see it at night
8- why? i love the needle setup - i hate it on the oldsmobiles and the s2000
9- cost, not worth the $$ to implement
1- move seat back. i'm 6' and happens to me too.
2- that's on all acuras
3- get a radar detector...necessary for 'spirited' highway driving
4- don't worry about it. you have auto dimming rearview mirrors
5- useless, if you have the navi option it has one
6- get the '05 model
7- there's ambient light to see it at night
8- why? i love the needle setup - i hate it on the oldsmobiles and the s2000
9- cost, not worth the $$ to implement
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1) I am 6'5" and have no trouble getting in or out. The steering wheel tilts and telescopes so if you didn't adjust it, it may have been set too low.
2) I use my tach more than my speedometer. I can't recal a car that has had it on the right but really is it that big of a deal?
3) If you get a speeding ticket because you can't figure out what number is half way between 60 and 70 that's just
4) Once you go HID you'll never go back to halogen.
5) $2 at your nearest auto parts store can fix this. Or cough up the coin and get navi.
6) Wait for the 05 then because they have this feature. Although after driving it for a week you'll never look down at them again.
7) You answered your own question here. Plus there's always the indicator on the dash to tell you what gear you're in.
8) The gauges work fine.
9) I think that would be annoying.
I'm glad you mostly liked the car but I'm with everyone else here, sounds like it's not the car for you. I recommend you buy the merc or the pontiac because it sounds like you're leaning towards them anyways. The quality of the Acura doesn't sound like as big as a priority as a built in compass or HUD.
2) I use my tach more than my speedometer. I can't recal a car that has had it on the right but really is it that big of a deal?
3) If you get a speeding ticket because you can't figure out what number is half way between 60 and 70 that's just
4) Once you go HID you'll never go back to halogen.
5) $2 at your nearest auto parts store can fix this. Or cough up the coin and get navi.
6) Wait for the 05 then because they have this feature. Although after driving it for a week you'll never look down at them again.
7) You answered your own question here. Plus there's always the indicator on the dash to tell you what gear you're in.
8) The gauges work fine.
9) I think that would be annoying.
I'm glad you mostly liked the car but I'm with everyone else here, sounds like it's not the car for you. I recommend you buy the merc or the pontiac because it sounds like you're leaning towards them anyways. The quality of the Acura doesn't sound like as big as a priority as a built in compass or HUD.
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Thanks, fellows, for the feedback. However, I am surprised at how defensive the tone of the replies, "If you are able to find any fault with the car, then go buy something else."
For whatever-its-worth, my current car does have the speedometer on the left and the tach. on the right. And, like with many other cars, the tach. is smaller than the speedometer.
> why are you looking at your speed so much? paranoid? go with the flow...
Unfortunately, the "flow" often has very little to do with the speed limit.
> Hids are projection lights, which makes them easy to adjust. And besides, who cares about the other driver? They'll get over it...
I care a lot about the other driver -- either when he comes into my lane or when he runs off the road because he has been blinded by headlights that are too bright.
I am not buying a TSX to race it, I am not buying a TSX to put a radar detector in it so I can pretend that speed limits do not exist, I am not buying a TSX so I can be an irresponsible driver, I am not buying a TSX so that I can be conceded and not care about other drivers. I am buying a TSX for other reasons.
I would not buy a BMW because BMW drivers tend to be aggressive, self-centered, "get out of my way" drivers that apparently think they own the road. Perhaps I should not buy a TSX for the same reason.
For whatever-its-worth, my current car does have the speedometer on the left and the tach. on the right. And, like with many other cars, the tach. is smaller than the speedometer.
> why are you looking at your speed so much? paranoid? go with the flow...
Unfortunately, the "flow" often has very little to do with the speed limit.
> Hids are projection lights, which makes them easy to adjust. And besides, who cares about the other driver? They'll get over it...
I care a lot about the other driver -- either when he comes into my lane or when he runs off the road because he has been blinded by headlights that are too bright.
I am not buying a TSX to race it, I am not buying a TSX to put a radar detector in it so I can pretend that speed limits do not exist, I am not buying a TSX so I can be an irresponsible driver, I am not buying a TSX so that I can be conceded and not care about other drivers. I am buying a TSX for other reasons.
I would not buy a BMW because BMW drivers tend to be aggressive, self-centered, "get out of my way" drivers that apparently think they own the road. Perhaps I should not buy a TSX for the same reason.
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From: Tennessee
1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
I was always taught in school to NEVER use your left foot to operate any pedal but the clutch. If driving an auto, I was taught to forget about my left foot. Ask any driving instructor. If you panic are in the habit of using the left foot for the brake, it's too easy to slam both feet down and hit both pedals at the same time. NOT a good thing. Move the seat back. My wife is 5'11" and doesn't seem to have this problem.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
Every car I've owned with a tach has the tach on the left. I'm used to that.
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
You'll get used to it. I think you're thinking that the TSX has numbers at 20mph intervals instead of 10. However, there are bold marks every 10... is it that hard to realize that the 5mph intervals are halfway between them? My Kia Spectra's speedo goes to 130. I haven't had a car since my '84 Buick Skylark who's speedo didn't go above 100. I don't see the problem here.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
I understand the concern for blinding other drivers, but not all HID's are the same. Some are bluer than others, and those are the type that blind the most. The TSX's are relatively white, and once you drive behind them, like someone else said, you'll never go back.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
Get the nav. It's worth the $2000 anyway.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
You complain about having to look at the speedo for too long, but then want to look down at your steering wheel... at night?! You'll memorize the steering wheel controls to the point where you won't even have to look at them during the day.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
There is a blue light that shines right down on the shift gate at night, plus an indicator on the insturment cluster. I don't see the problem here, either...
8) Digital readout of speed.
To further reduce your time looking at the speedo so you can look at the steering wheel controls??
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
I agree with Dan. I think I would find that annoying.
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
I was always taught in school to NEVER use your left foot to operate any pedal but the clutch. If driving an auto, I was taught to forget about my left foot. Ask any driving instructor. If you panic are in the habit of using the left foot for the brake, it's too easy to slam both feet down and hit both pedals at the same time. NOT a good thing. Move the seat back. My wife is 5'11" and doesn't seem to have this problem.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
Every car I've owned with a tach has the tach on the left. I'm used to that.
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
You'll get used to it. I think you're thinking that the TSX has numbers at 20mph intervals instead of 10. However, there are bold marks every 10... is it that hard to realize that the 5mph intervals are halfway between them? My Kia Spectra's speedo goes to 130. I haven't had a car since my '84 Buick Skylark who's speedo didn't go above 100. I don't see the problem here.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
I understand the concern for blinding other drivers, but not all HID's are the same. Some are bluer than others, and those are the type that blind the most. The TSX's are relatively white, and once you drive behind them, like someone else said, you'll never go back.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
Get the nav. It's worth the $2000 anyway.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
You complain about having to look at the speedo for too long, but then want to look down at your steering wheel... at night?! You'll memorize the steering wheel controls to the point where you won't even have to look at them during the day.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
There is a blue light that shines right down on the shift gate at night, plus an indicator on the insturment cluster. I don't see the problem here, either...
8) Digital readout of speed.
To further reduce your time looking at the speedo so you can look at the steering wheel controls??
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
I agree with Dan. I think I would find that annoying.
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Jim, by no means is the TSX perfect but you shouldn't be surprised if many of the issues you found were not shared with the owners on this site. I can't imagine going to a vanila ice cream forum and saying "you know I tasted vanila the other day but I think if it had more chocolate it would be better." Either the issues you noticed were not important when we were shoping for the car or we've never noticed them before.
The TSX is what it is: a Japanese sports sedan.
-the spedo is going to have more than 100 mph on the dial because it is capable of speeds greater than 100 mph. There are several of us who track our cars and have seen 130+.
-HIDs do not blind oncoming traffic. They are aimed down so they don't shine higher than the hood of cars coming towards you. They are in fact easier on oncomming cars because they have less light flood than halogen. Under most circumstances they will appear much dimmer to the other drivers than a conventional halogen.
It just sounds like you're looking for a little more luxury than the TSX affords. Maybe the TL would be a better fit or if you're not big on Hondas, the G35's are nice too.
The TSX is what it is: a Japanese sports sedan.
-the spedo is going to have more than 100 mph on the dial because it is capable of speeds greater than 100 mph. There are several of us who track our cars and have seen 130+.
-HIDs do not blind oncoming traffic. They are aimed down so they don't shine higher than the hood of cars coming towards you. They are in fact easier on oncomming cars because they have less light flood than halogen. Under most circumstances they will appear much dimmer to the other drivers than a conventional halogen.
It just sounds like you're looking for a little more luxury than the TSX affords. Maybe the TL would be a better fit or if you're not big on Hondas, the G35's are nice too.
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Jim,
As for the getting in and out, I would guess that the seat/wheel was just in a bad position for you. I'm only 5'10, but I have plenty of room getting in, I've had bigger friends drive and haven't had much of a problem, I'd say give it another shot!
For a lot of people buying this car, it is quite necessary for the speedo to go over 100. When I first bought the car, I found the speedo a little different to look at due to how condensed it is, but again, I really got used to it after a few days.
The HID headlights are awesome from the driver's POV... they light the road up a whole lot better than halogens. As for oncoming drivers, they are aimed pretty well to not blind people, but I do get a bunch of people flashing me because they think I have my highs on, so if this bothers you, you may want to think twice.
Compass... get Nav
The TSX is a great car, and you'd be hard pressed to find another car with so much bang for the buck. I think most of the issues you have are relatively small ones that can be worked out quickly. Enjoy your TSX, and welcome to the board!
As for the getting in and out, I would guess that the seat/wheel was just in a bad position for you. I'm only 5'10, but I have plenty of room getting in, I've had bigger friends drive and haven't had much of a problem, I'd say give it another shot!
For a lot of people buying this car, it is quite necessary for the speedo to go over 100. When I first bought the car, I found the speedo a little different to look at due to how condensed it is, but again, I really got used to it after a few days.
The HID headlights are awesome from the driver's POV... they light the road up a whole lot better than halogens. As for oncoming drivers, they are aimed pretty well to not blind people, but I do get a bunch of people flashing me because they think I have my highs on, so if this bothers you, you may want to think twice.
Compass... get Nav
The TSX is a great car, and you'd be hard pressed to find another car with so much bang for the buck. I think most of the issues you have are relatively small ones that can be worked out quickly. Enjoy your TSX, and welcome to the board!
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1. Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "beehive" but if you mean the steering column, I'm 5'11" and have never noticed the problem. I don't think it's substantially larger than any other current veh.
2. I think you'll find you'll adjust to the gauge placement quicky. My '00 Nissan truck speedo placement is opposite of the TSX, and I never have to "think" to look for the tach or speedo in either veh.
3. I think all current Hondas have 10MPH graduations. I can't see that this a big issue, and I don't think I've heard anyone else comment on this in my line of work (Honda tech). Again, I think you'll adjust.
4. I agree with you on this, as I would get flashed occasionally from oncoming drivers when I first got my TSX. I adjusted the headlights down slightly and that seems to have eliminated the problem.
5. Afraid I've never seen the need for a compass in a car. Got a really nice Suunto one on my sailboat, which is a necessity, but I don't get why you need one in a car. To each his own.
6. I haven't seen a circuit diagram for the '05 TSX, but I'd bet one could retro the lighted steering wheel buttons if you really wanted. Might be pricey though. I agree with the group though that their positions become second nature quickly.
7. Shift position is indicated in the cluster. Seems like a minor gripe.
8. With the exception of the S2000 and Insight, no current Hondas have digital speed readout. I personally find them distracting and annoying.
9. Seems like very few veh. have Heads Up. I'm not sure it's everything it was touted to be, but I've never owned a car with it. Again, I don't think any Honda/Acura product has it.
2. I think you'll find you'll adjust to the gauge placement quicky. My '00 Nissan truck speedo placement is opposite of the TSX, and I never have to "think" to look for the tach or speedo in either veh.
3. I think all current Hondas have 10MPH graduations. I can't see that this a big issue, and I don't think I've heard anyone else comment on this in my line of work (Honda tech). Again, I think you'll adjust.
4. I agree with you on this, as I would get flashed occasionally from oncoming drivers when I first got my TSX. I adjusted the headlights down slightly and that seems to have eliminated the problem.
5. Afraid I've never seen the need for a compass in a car. Got a really nice Suunto one on my sailboat, which is a necessity, but I don't get why you need one in a car. To each his own.
6. I haven't seen a circuit diagram for the '05 TSX, but I'd bet one could retro the lighted steering wheel buttons if you really wanted. Might be pricey though. I agree with the group though that their positions become second nature quickly.
7. Shift position is indicated in the cluster. Seems like a minor gripe.
8. With the exception of the S2000 and Insight, no current Hondas have digital speed readout. I personally find them distracting and annoying.
9. Seems like very few veh. have Heads Up. I'm not sure it's everything it was touted to be, but I've never owned a car with it. Again, I don't think any Honda/Acura product has it.
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Thanks for the feedback, Nicodemus.
> You'll get used to it. I think you're thinking that the TSX has numbers at
> 20 mph intervals instead of 10. However, there are bold marks every 10...
> is it that hard to realize that the 5 mph intervals arehalfway between them?
> My Kia Spectra's speedo goes to 130. I haven't had a car since my '84 Buick
> Skylark who's speedo didn't go above 100. I don't see the problem here.
It is not a problem, per se. It is an area for improvement. Having 130 MPH on a speedometer, when the speed limit is no where near 130 MPH anywhere in the USA is senseless. By having a more sensible number, then the spacing would be wider and the speedometer would be easier to read. I just talked with someone that got a speeding ticket because he did not realize how fast he was going.
I use the cruise control a lot -- setting it to the speed limit. It would be so much easier to set to the desired, and appropriate speed, if it speedometer was better marked.
Yes, I am nit-picking. But, so do the Japanese. Otherwise, the TSX would not be as good as it is. And, when I invest nearly $30,000.00 in an automobile that is often rated as one of the best in ergonomics, the bar is raised. I would have nothing to say if it were a Geo or a Civic.
> You'll get used to it. I think you're thinking that the TSX has numbers at
> 20 mph intervals instead of 10. However, there are bold marks every 10...
> is it that hard to realize that the 5 mph intervals arehalfway between them?
> My Kia Spectra's speedo goes to 130. I haven't had a car since my '84 Buick
> Skylark who's speedo didn't go above 100. I don't see the problem here.
It is not a problem, per se. It is an area for improvement. Having 130 MPH on a speedometer, when the speed limit is no where near 130 MPH anywhere in the USA is senseless. By having a more sensible number, then the spacing would be wider and the speedometer would be easier to read. I just talked with someone that got a speeding ticket because he did not realize how fast he was going.
I use the cruise control a lot -- setting it to the speed limit. It would be so much easier to set to the desired, and appropriate speed, if it speedometer was better marked.
Yes, I am nit-picking. But, so do the Japanese. Otherwise, the TSX would not be as good as it is. And, when I invest nearly $30,000.00 in an automobile that is often rated as one of the best in ergonomics, the bar is raised. I would have nothing to say if it were a Geo or a Civic.
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Regarding the lights.
I am often blinded at night by some new cars that have bright, blue lights. When I flash an oncoming car with such lights, I am sometimes rewarded with even brighter lights. I presume that these bright, blue, lights are HID. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I am often blinded at night by some new cars that have bright, blue lights. When I flash an oncoming car with such lights, I am sometimes rewarded with even brighter lights. I presume that these bright, blue, lights are HID. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Jim Holloman,
This is very important, regarding how close you and your wife apparently sit to the steering wheel. You have to sit back further. If you're sitting close enough to hit the "beehive" with your knees, you are *way* *way* too close. I'm talking about safety here. If you're sitting that close, and you get in an accident and the airbags go off, you will be seriously injured. I'm not even talking about the injuries you'll entail from the accident, I'm talking about just what the airbag will do to you. You need to sit back as far as you possibly can without impairing your driving ability. Give it a try: it will feel really strange at first, but you'll get used to it, and eventually grow to like it. I went through this myself a few years ago. The manual for every modern car states this as well.
I'm now trying to get my girlfriend to do it too. She's always driven really, really close to the steering wheel. There's simply no good reason for it. The only reason people to do it is because it's what they're used to. The con is that you've got a much, much higher risk of injury. Why not go through the comparably slight inconvenience and move the seat back, get used to it, and be safer? The increased distance you get from sitting further back allows more room for the energy released into your body by the collision, as well as the explosion of the airbag, to dissipate, which greatly minimizes your chances for an accident. Airbags need to come out with as much power as they do simply to get the bag of air in the right place at the right time; everything happens very fast in an accident and the airbag has to get there faster than all of it. Just like seat belts, airbags, used properly, will save you injury. Misused, they can make things worse.
This has the pro of fixing your "beehive" problem, too.
This is very important, regarding how close you and your wife apparently sit to the steering wheel. You have to sit back further. If you're sitting close enough to hit the "beehive" with your knees, you are *way* *way* too close. I'm talking about safety here. If you're sitting that close, and you get in an accident and the airbags go off, you will be seriously injured. I'm not even talking about the injuries you'll entail from the accident, I'm talking about just what the airbag will do to you. You need to sit back as far as you possibly can without impairing your driving ability. Give it a try: it will feel really strange at first, but you'll get used to it, and eventually grow to like it. I went through this myself a few years ago. The manual for every modern car states this as well.
I'm now trying to get my girlfriend to do it too. She's always driven really, really close to the steering wheel. There's simply no good reason for it. The only reason people to do it is because it's what they're used to. The con is that you've got a much, much higher risk of injury. Why not go through the comparably slight inconvenience and move the seat back, get used to it, and be safer? The increased distance you get from sitting further back allows more room for the energy released into your body by the collision, as well as the explosion of the airbag, to dissipate, which greatly minimizes your chances for an accident. Airbags need to come out with as much power as they do simply to get the bag of air in the right place at the right time; everything happens very fast in an accident and the airbag has to get there faster than all of it. Just like seat belts, airbags, used properly, will save you injury. Misused, they can make things worse.
This has the pro of fixing your "beehive" problem, too.
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Holy lord. Jim i'm going to guess your current/former car is an oldsmobile or caddy or something along those lines.
1) cant help you there. but as stated the wheel does tilt. and why do you left foot break??? are you racing???
2) common placement for most cars, specially of a performance orientation.
3) You've been driving for how long to make this complaint??? i think youre too used to digital displays.
4) you learn to deal. dont look right into their headlights.
5) as said navi....or i bet you the dealer offers an aftermarket selfdimming mirror with compass for a price.
6) As said the 05 will have these, but why need them, as said youll memorize them in no time, unless you have alzehmiers in which case you shouldnt be driving anyway.
7) As said, the car has internal illumnation and a dash light telling you what gear youre in. Also get your eyes checked, maybe you need new glasses. Sounds like you dont see too well anymore, and as another driver on the road, that scares me.
8) TERRIBLE idea. I hated the 4th gen prelude enough but then they had to go and offer and digital dash... the only car i forgive is the s2000, and i still wish it didnt.
digital read outs if for elderly peoples cars...tsx isnt one of these.
9) HUDS....ick....dont even like the bimmers offering them. you want a hud buy a pontiac or 5 series.
Maybe i sound cocky and irrogant....but you sound like youd be happier with a caddy or lexus or pontiac.
Actually from reading your posts and how much you focus your attention on the dash and shifter and steering wheel. And well you dont see at night.........I dont really think I want you driving a car to begin with.
1) cant help you there. but as stated the wheel does tilt. and why do you left foot break??? are you racing???
2) common placement for most cars, specially of a performance orientation.
3) You've been driving for how long to make this complaint??? i think youre too used to digital displays.
4) you learn to deal. dont look right into their headlights.
5) as said navi....or i bet you the dealer offers an aftermarket selfdimming mirror with compass for a price.
6) As said the 05 will have these, but why need them, as said youll memorize them in no time, unless you have alzehmiers in which case you shouldnt be driving anyway.
7) As said, the car has internal illumnation and a dash light telling you what gear youre in. Also get your eyes checked, maybe you need new glasses. Sounds like you dont see too well anymore, and as another driver on the road, that scares me.
8) TERRIBLE idea. I hated the 4th gen prelude enough but then they had to go and offer and digital dash... the only car i forgive is the s2000, and i still wish it didnt.
digital read outs if for elderly peoples cars...tsx isnt one of these.
9) HUDS....ick....dont even like the bimmers offering them. you want a hud buy a pontiac or 5 series.
Maybe i sound cocky and irrogant....but you sound like youd be happier with a caddy or lexus or pontiac.
Actually from reading your posts and how much you focus your attention on the dash and shifter and steering wheel. And well you dont see at night.........I dont really think I want you driving a car to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
It is not a problem, per se. It is an area for improvement. Having 130 MPH on a speedometer, when the speed limit is no where near 130 MPH anywhere in the USA is senseless. By having a more sensible number, then the spacing would be wider and the speedometer would be easier to read. I just talked with someone that got a speeding ticket because he did not realize how fast he was going.
you shouldnt be driving. your eyesight is obvisouly shit, even with some sort of correction. the speedometers arent that hard to read. and usually have a red mark or numerical mark for 55mph.
If you have been driving for that long and you cant gauge some sense of speed just from the feel of the car.....sorry, then youve never been a very conscious driver to begin with. and yes i know some cars go faster then you think they are...but still...you KNOW when youre speeding.
As for "more sensible numbering" sounds like you want a GINORMOUS easy to read gauge. like those special large lettered books, or those phones with huge buttons with easy to read numbers.....sorry i dont want that in my cars.
With your complaints i wouldnt worry about speeding. I expecet to see you in teh left lane going 5mph under the limit with your right blinker always on.
sorry dude....get a big old caddy or something....so we know to stay far away from you on the road. :killer:
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jim...
No offense friend, but some of your complains sound very silly.
This is a sports sedan.In spirited driving the tach is much more important than the speedo. In fact in some "sports" cars the tach is much much bigger than the speedo and is right dead center of the gauge cluster. And 90% of cars have the tach on the left anyways. You'll get used to it.
The 5's are not marked on the speedo? again .. Who cares? Do you really check your speed that often? And arent there lines to indicante the 5's. I'm really not sure what the problem is or what you are expecting . It doesnt take more than a second to determine your speed, no matter what it is, when glancing at the speedo.
And you dont want the speedo to read 130mph? But the car actually can go that fast! ...and yes some people will drive it that fast. If not on a street then on a track.
You have to remember the sport appeal to this car. It is marketing as a sport sedan and IMO probably not the right car for someone seemingly obsessed with driving the speed limit. But of course you'll ultimately need to determine that yourself. Good luck.
No offense friend, but some of your complains sound very silly.
This is a sports sedan.In spirited driving the tach is much more important than the speedo. In fact in some "sports" cars the tach is much much bigger than the speedo and is right dead center of the gauge cluster. And 90% of cars have the tach on the left anyways. You'll get used to it.
The 5's are not marked on the speedo? again ..
Who cares? Do you really check your speed that often? And arent there lines to indicante the 5's. I'm really not sure what the problem is or what you are expecting . It doesnt take more than a second to determine your speed, no matter what it is, when glancing at the speedo. And you dont want the speedo to read 130mph? But the car actually can go that fast! ...and yes some people will drive it that fast. If not on a street then on a track.
You have to remember the sport appeal to this car. It is marketing as a sport sedan and IMO probably not the right car for someone seemingly obsessed with driving the speed limit. But of course you'll ultimately need to determine that yourself. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
.........1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has...............
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
whoseanthony,
No car is perfect, and neither is the TSX. The Japanese believe in "continuous improvement." Every car, every airplane, every computer, every camera is a compromise. So, while I might find fault with you beloved TSX, there are things that can be improved on the car.
No car is perfect, and neither is the TSX. The Japanese believe in "continuous improvement." Every car, every airplane, every computer, every camera is a compromise. So, while I might find fault with you beloved TSX, there are things that can be improved on the car.
Can you believe this guy? Thanks for the japanese proverb there! :wtf: you should go buy a scion...since you dont like HIDs, dont want to enjoy speed! Oh yea i hear the lil boxy looking one has a compass!! HAHAHA
Where is a moderator when you need one....close this thread before him and his behive hitting wife cry
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Originally Posted by whoseanthony
Can you believe this guy? Thanks for the japanese proverb there! :wtf: you should go buy a scion...since you dont like HIDs, dont want to enjoy speed! Oh yea i hear the lil boxy looking one has a compass!! HAHAHA
Where is a moderator when you need one....close this thread before him and his behive hitting wife cry
Where is a moderator when you need one....close this thread before him and his behive hitting wife cry
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Jim, honestly... this isn't wide enough spacing??
I see that as quite wide as compared to my current car (the reason I know so much about the TSX without owning it is because I've been researching it for the past 6 months and basically sold one to my mother, in which I ride in quite frequently):
That's the 2005 Kia Specra speedo, and goes to 140 instead of the '04's 130, but the spacing is very close to the '04. No numbers on the 5's, and no mark at 55. This is a 16k car fully loaded. Point being, the TSX's spacing is more than generous if you ask me. Also note the tach on the left of the speedo.
By the way, you should NEVER flash brights at someone who's headlights are blinding you. If you are blinded by their bright lights, and then in turn blind them with yours, now you have two blinded drivers driving toward each other. You should just look toward (not at) the white line on your right-hand side until the car passes you. Not to sound like a prick, but you say you've been driving over 20 years? I've been driving 8 years... these are basic safety precautions.
I see that as quite wide as compared to my current car (the reason I know so much about the TSX without owning it is because I've been researching it for the past 6 months and basically sold one to my mother, in which I ride in quite frequently):
That's the 2005 Kia Specra speedo, and goes to 140 instead of the '04's 130, but the spacing is very close to the '04. No numbers on the 5's, and no mark at 55. This is a 16k car fully loaded. Point being, the TSX's spacing is more than generous if you ask me. Also note the tach on the left of the speedo.
By the way, you should NEVER flash brights at someone who's headlights are blinding you. If you are blinded by their bright lights, and then in turn blind them with yours, now you have two blinded drivers driving toward each other. You should just look toward (not at) the white line on your right-hand side until the car passes you. Not to sound like a prick, but you say you've been driving over 20 years? I've been driving 8 years... these are basic safety precautions.
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus
By the way, you should NEVER flash brights at someone who's headlights are blinding you. If you are blinded by their bright lights, and then in turn blind them with yours, now you have two blinded drivers driving toward each other. You should just look toward (not at) the white line on your right-hand side until the car passes you. Not to sound like a prick, but you say you've been driving over 20 years? I've been driving 8 years... these are basic safety precautions.
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Not far off, sarlacc23
My first car was a Cyclone, my second was a GTO. I sold the GTO a couple of months ago. I currently have a Grand Am with Quad 4. The TSX drives, and handles, more like the Grand Am than anything else that I have tested. The Grand Am has more pickup and acceleration, but also has a higher gearing than the TSX. The TSX corners better and has better brakes. Of course, it has low-profile tires relative to the Grand Am. Pontiac has dropped the Quad 4 engine and the 2 door Grand Ams. The TSX, of course, is in a different class than the Pontiacs when it comes to amenities and refinement.
> Jim i'm going to guess your current/former car is an oldsmobile or caddy or
> something along those lines.
My first car was a Cyclone, my second was a GTO. I sold the GTO a couple of months ago. I currently have a Grand Am with Quad 4. The TSX drives, and handles, more like the Grand Am than anything else that I have tested. The Grand Am has more pickup and acceleration, but also has a higher gearing than the TSX. The TSX corners better and has better brakes. Of course, it has low-profile tires relative to the Grand Am. Pontiac has dropped the Quad 4 engine and the 2 door Grand Ams. The TSX, of course, is in a different class than the Pontiacs when it comes to amenities and refinement.
> Jim i'm going to guess your current/former car is an oldsmobile or caddy or
> something along those lines.
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I learned to drive in the midwest and currently live in the south. They tell us and the kids currently learning to drive the same thing. I know it's common practice, but that doesn't make it safe.
I'm not trying to be argumentative... I just really hate it when people do things like this and then wonder why there are so many accidents. These are the same people who take the right-of-way instead of giving it. I've lost friends to offensive driving (which is different than spirited driving in a relatively open space)... sort of a sensitive issue for me. Sorry if I come off as anal about it.
I'm not trying to be argumentative... I just really hate it when people do things like this and then wonder why there are so many accidents. These are the same people who take the right-of-way instead of giving it. I've lost friends to offensive driving (which is different than spirited driving in a relatively open space)... sort of a sensitive issue for me. Sorry if I come off as anal about it.
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whoseanthony,
The Scion is getting great reviews. Unfortunately, there is not a Scion dealer within 200 miles of me.
Are you having fun poking fun at a stranger over the Internet. I hope you are having fun -- otherwise, you are wasting your time.
The Scion is getting great reviews. Unfortunately, there is not a Scion dealer within 200 miles of me.
Are you having fun poking fun at a stranger over the Internet. I hope you are having fun -- otherwise, you are wasting your time.
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
whoseanthony,
The Scion is getting great reviews. Unfortunately, there is not a Scion dealer within 200 miles of me.
Are you having fun poking fun at a stranger over the Internet. I hope you are having fun -- otherwise, you are wasting your time.
The Scion is getting great reviews. Unfortunately, there is not a Scion dealer within 200 miles of me.
Are you having fun poking fun at a stranger over the Internet. I hope you are having fun -- otherwise, you are wasting your time.
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sarlacc23,
I see 20/20 at distance, but do not see near as well up close. My eyes have been checked recently by the DMV.
Have you spent any time driving in San Francisco? The hills taught me to keep one foot on the brake until I could get enough throttle in to prevent the car for rolling backwards. Worst place I could imagine for a MT.
1) cant help you there. but as stated the wheel does tilt. and why do you left foot break??? are you racing???
I see 20/20 at distance, but do not see near as well up close. My eyes have been checked recently by the DMV.
Have you spent any time driving in San Francisco? The hills taught me to keep one foot on the brake until I could get enough throttle in to prevent the car for rolling backwards. Worst place I could imagine for a MT.
1) cant help you there. but as stated the wheel does tilt. and why do you left foot break??? are you racing???
The Third Ball
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
sarlacc23,
I see 20/20 at distance, but do not see near as well up close. My eyes have been checked recently by the DMV.
Have you spent any time driving in San Francisco? The hills taught me to keep one foot on the brake until I could get enough throttle in to prevent the car for rolling backwards. Worst place I could imagine for a MT.
1) cant help you there. but as stated the wheel does tilt. and why do you left foot break??? are you racing???
I see 20/20 at distance, but do not see near as well up close. My eyes have been checked recently by the DMV.
Have you spent any time driving in San Francisco? The hills taught me to keep one foot on the brake until I could get enough throttle in to prevent the car for rolling backwards. Worst place I could imagine for a MT.
1) cant help you there. but as stated the wheel does tilt. and why do you left foot break??? are you racing???
time for some bi-focal...or split level contacts.
Just dial 1911
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From: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
Regarding the lights.
I am often blinded at night by some new cars that have bright, blue lights. When I flash an oncoming car with such lights, I am sometimes rewarded with even brighter lights. I presume that these bright, blue, lights are HID. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I am often blinded at night by some new cars that have bright, blue lights. When I flash an oncoming car with such lights, I am sometimes rewarded with even brighter lights. I presume that these bright, blue, lights are HID. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Edit: By the way, this is a SURE way to incite road rage. You know HID's are bright, yet you still flash people for them??? That makes a whole lot of sense.
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Good images, Nicodemus,
It will take some time for me to get used to the TSX speedometer. At present, I
much prefer the Kia Specra speedo because the tach. is smaller than the speedometer and because 70 MPH is nealy vertical on the needle. That is what I am used to. Nearly vertical on the needle of the TSX will put me at around 108 MPH. And, because of this change, I will have to be careful to watch the numbers rather than the needle.
I also like the speedometer on the Mini. It is easy to see, and easy to read.
It will take some time for me to get used to the TSX speedometer. At present, I
much prefer the Kia Specra speedo because the tach. is smaller than the speedometer and because 70 MPH is nealy vertical on the needle. That is what I am used to. Nearly vertical on the needle of the TSX will put me at around 108 MPH. And, because of this change, I will have to be careful to watch the numbers rather than the needle.
I also like the speedometer on the Mini. It is easy to see, and easy to read.
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Racer
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From: North Carolina
joerockt,
In the Southeast, there are many rural roads that see very little traffic at night. It is a common for a driver to foget to dim their headlights when another car approaches. It is a common, and customary practice, to quickly flash one's headlights to signal the other driver. If the other driver already has his lights dim, it is customary for him to indicate so by giving a quick flash of his high beams. This often occurs at very significant distances.
I have never seen anyone relate such a practice to road rage (perhaps that is all that it would take to throw you into a rage -- I don't know). I appreciate being reminded if I forget to dim my lights. And, it is generally considered a practice that improves safety.
In the Southeast, there are many rural roads that see very little traffic at night. It is a common for a driver to foget to dim their headlights when another car approaches. It is a common, and customary practice, to quickly flash one's headlights to signal the other driver. If the other driver already has his lights dim, it is customary for him to indicate so by giving a quick flash of his high beams. This often occurs at very significant distances.
I have never seen anyone relate such a practice to road rage (perhaps that is all that it would take to throw you into a rage -- I don't know). I appreciate being reminded if I forget to dim my lights. And, it is generally considered a practice that improves safety.
Burning Brakes
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From: Sacto
Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
My wife and I test drove a TSX at Apple Tree Acura in Flectcher, NC (1-800-476-9411) and placed a deposit on a 2004 model that is expected to arrive by the end of Sept., 2004. I was very impressed with the dealership and the salesman, Matt Sewitsky. He really knows his cars and he is able to tailor his approach to the customer's needs.
I spent about 30 mins. with the car (in daylight), and I have very favorable impressions. It has the automatic transmission. However, there are a few things that I found to be undesirable. I would like to have comments, and feedback, from those that have spent a lot more time with the car than I regarding this things.
1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
8) Digital readout of speed.
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
Overall, I liked the way the car drove. It is a very enjoyable car to drive. The brakes are the best that I have experienced. The bumps are easily felt with the 17 inch, 50 profile tires, but the handling is better than the Accord. The trunk space is larger than I had expected. The car is smaller than any road car that I have previously owned, but the leg room is good and the head room is adequate (I am 6' 0"). After driving the car, I had to ask the salesman (Matt Sewitshy), "This is a front-wheel drive, isn't it?" I anxiously await the impression the car leaves after I spend 16 hours beind the wheel.
I spent about 30 mins. with the car (in daylight), and I have very favorable impressions. It has the automatic transmission. However, there are a few things that I found to be undesirable. I would like to have comments, and feedback, from those that have spent a lot more time with the car than I regarding this things.
1) The large beehive around the steering column is a real nuisance. When I get into the car, and out of the car, my knee always manages to find the beehive. It is not easy for me to get in, and get out, but once I am in the thing, it is worth the trouble (sort of like a good ride at the fairgrounds).
My wife would catch the beehive with her knee every time she would take her foot off the gas and move it to the break pedal. She said she may have to learn to use her left foot on the break pedal, as I do. She does drive abnormally close to the steering wheel -- and always has.
2) The tach. is on the left side. I would much prefer to see the speedometer on the left and the tach on the right since they are both the same size. I read left-to-right -- and my eyes always manages to find the tach when I look down to check my speed (how nice a HUD would be).
3) And the biggest issue of all that I have found. Ninty-five percent of the speed limits in the USA end in 5; 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Yet, the markings on the speedometer are 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160. There is not a single marking for 25, 35, 45, 55, and 65. With the speedometer being rather small, it is impossible for me to glance down and know my speed without taking my eyes off the road for much longer than I like. It sure would be nice have a digital readout of vehicle speed, perhaps on the center display (a HUD would be even better). And, why in the world does the speedometer go above 100 MPH? I find the speedometer to be very awkard and impractical -- on a car that has a lot of practically in other areas.
I have not gotten a speeding ticket in 20 years, but I anticipate getting one with this car simply because it is so difficult to read the speedometer combined with the lack of sensation as you accelerate right on pass 60 MPH into the high-speed range. With a car that seems to have so much precision in other areas, it seems to be a gross oversight to have a speedometer that is so difficult to read.
4) I always hate to meet a car at night with HID lights? They seem to always be on high-beam -- and blind a lot more than quartz-halogen lights. So, I have some concern about the HID lights? Do they add to safefy -- or take away from it by blinding other drivers.
Enhancements needed:
5) A built-in compass, like in the Mercedes C Class.
6) The buttons on the steering wheel need to be lit for better visibility at night.
7) The lettering on the shift-gate (auto.) needs to be larger. I anticipate that it will be difficult to see at night. But, the shape of the shift gate will allow one to quickly memorize the positions.
8) Digital readout of speed.
9) A HUD as on the Pontiac Grand Prix (GTP?) and the Nissan Maxima (what other models have a HUD?)
Overall, I liked the way the car drove. It is a very enjoyable car to drive. The brakes are the best that I have experienced. The bumps are easily felt with the 17 inch, 50 profile tires, but the handling is better than the Accord. The trunk space is larger than I had expected. The car is smaller than any road car that I have previously owned, but the leg room is good and the head room is adequate (I am 6' 0"). After driving the car, I had to ask the salesman (Matt Sewitshy), "This is a front-wheel drive, isn't it?" I anxiously await the impression the car leaves after I spend 16 hours beind the wheel.
as of reading your post, you're into following the laws and safety.
1. your wife is sitting way too close. You're askin for her to an early grave. and i'm assuming you're not heavier than 250lbs and not 7feet so ... you shouldnt be hittin the behive at all. It's a 4door ... i can understand if it's a two door.
2. What good is a hud when you take your eyes off the road to read the speed? And even if you have one .. you shouldnt worry about it bc you are a safe driver right? no tickets in 20 years .. you should know how fast you are going with out even looking.
3. If you want a speedo that doesnt go past 100 .. get a geo metro. That way .. the car will prevent you from going over the speed limit in the first place if you are so worried about not being able to determine if you are going 55 or 65.
4. Personally ... i rather have a car with hids behind me then a halogen one .. specially those new car with the halogen. JUST DONT LoOK IN TO THEM. I drive a lowered integra .. i hate trucks with hallogen sittin behind me bc they blind me more than a hid. if you stare at the hid it's bright .. if you're not even stairing at the halogen truck .. .. it's way too damn bright.
5. NAVI
6. get an 05 model
7. get a stick?
8. Digital read out can always malfunction and can give you wrong reading. say one of the display gone out and you didnt even know .. you might be seing a 56 .. you might be going 88. electronic = malfunctin can happen any given moment.
9. HUD can block your view since it's a HUD ..
I think you need to get a different car. Get one that suits your needs.
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> I always learned how to make the tranny hold itself on a hill, if its steep enough.
Easy to do, but not so easy on the car -- or gas consumption; especially when the light takes forever to change to green. Some of the roads in San Francisco are suited, in my opinion, only for cable cars.
Easy to do, but not so easy on the car -- or gas consumption; especially when the light takes forever to change to green. Some of the roads in San Francisco are suited, in my opinion, only for cable cars.
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From: Orlando, Fl
Jim
As tweener, meaning that I'm between the average age of TSX buyers and this forums' participants (under 30) and your age, I have some perspective.
The younger crowd targeted by the TSX does not have any of the issues you have with the car and will dismiss them quite easily (as they have done). If they are improtant, you should consider another car. As many have said however, many cars have the same features as the TSX, so your issues will still be a problem in other cars. I know it's hard to get used to new things the further in life you get, but you have little choice (like the speedo issue).
The TSX is very good compromise on many issues but if for some reason a certain thing irritates you that much, maybe you should look elsewhere.
As tweener, meaning that I'm between the average age of TSX buyers and this forums' participants (under 30) and your age, I have some perspective.
The younger crowd targeted by the TSX does not have any of the issues you have with the car and will dismiss them quite easily (as they have done). If they are improtant, you should consider another car. As many have said however, many cars have the same features as the TSX, so your issues will still be a problem in other cars. I know it's hard to get used to new things the further in life you get, but you have little choice (like the speedo issue).
The TSX is very good compromise on many issues but if for some reason a certain thing irritates you that much, maybe you should look elsewhere.
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biker,
I raised the issues on the forum because I was interested in seeing if they were of concern to others and how they dealt with them. It has been an enlightening experience.
I had originally considered directing my comments only to Honda, but I wanted some feedback from the forum before doing so.
I did consider other cars, and I decided upon the TSX. The fact that there are a few things that I would change about the car, given the power to do so, does not make the car undesirable. I like the car, but not because it will go 160 MPH -- or even 100 MPH. I like the car, but not because it has an easy to read speedometer than makes it very clear when you get into speeds above 70 MPH. I like the car, but not because it appeals to young adults that want to drive fast (apparently some of them want to drive very fast). I like the car for many other reasons.
Buying a car is like buying a house. There are many factors to be considered and there are always tradeoffs and compromises. Considering all the factors, the TSX came out on top. I will learn to adjust, and cope, with the things that I don't like. For example, I may be able to cut thin strips of reflective tape and put my own indicators (markings) on the speedometer dial; perhaps using two or three different colors.
I appreciate all the feedback. I have learned a lot from it; but more about the type of
person that buys a TSX (or at least frequents this forum) than about the car. I am left with the impression that the Accord buyer, and the TSX buyer, are two very different animals -- even though the two cars are made by the same company and have nearly identical price tags.
I raised the issues on the forum because I was interested in seeing if they were of concern to others and how they dealt with them. It has been an enlightening experience.
I had originally considered directing my comments only to Honda, but I wanted some feedback from the forum before doing so.
I did consider other cars, and I decided upon the TSX. The fact that there are a few things that I would change about the car, given the power to do so, does not make the car undesirable. I like the car, but not because it will go 160 MPH -- or even 100 MPH. I like the car, but not because it has an easy to read speedometer than makes it very clear when you get into speeds above 70 MPH. I like the car, but not because it appeals to young adults that want to drive fast (apparently some of them want to drive very fast). I like the car for many other reasons.
Buying a car is like buying a house. There are many factors to be considered and there are always tradeoffs and compromises. Considering all the factors, the TSX came out on top. I will learn to adjust, and cope, with the things that I don't like. For example, I may be able to cut thin strips of reflective tape and put my own indicators (markings) on the speedometer dial; perhaps using two or three different colors.
I appreciate all the feedback. I have learned a lot from it; but more about the type of
person that buys a TSX (or at least frequents this forum) than about the car. I am left with the impression that the Accord buyer, and the TSX buyer, are two very different animals -- even though the two cars are made by the same company and have nearly identical price tags.