CDR skipping with CD Changer
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CDR skipping with CD Changer
Anyone experience this with a CDR that they burnt from the computer?(not mp3 CD) The CD changer played a few songs,but 3 or 4 tracks later it starts to skip. At the end it just won't read the disk unless i turn off the audio system and back on. This just happens to CDR, "real" CDs are fine.
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I play my CD-R's all the time and I have not experienced any problems. You might want to have the dealer take a look at it. Bought mine in late Oct of '04 and I only have 2,500 miles. Never had any problems with my CD Changer.
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Originally Posted by FiVa
May i ask what brand of CD-R are you using?
Mine is a 05, but i doubt the CD Changer has any change between the 04s and 05s.
Mine is a 05, but i doubt the CD Changer has any change between the 04s and 05s.
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Try burning the CD at a slower speed. The CD spins slower at the center so the laser is probably able to read it but as the the laser moves outwards the CD spins faster and with the faster burn speed, the laser is probably having a hard time reading the disc.
I'm starting to think it's the memorex CDs. In the past, I've used TDK and Imation cds without issue, but the memorex CD that I used most recently has all kinds of skipping issues.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I'm starting to think it's the memorex CDs. In the past, I've used TDK and Imation cds without issue, but the memorex CD that I used most recently has all kinds of skipping issues.
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My player sometimes skips even on original CDs. It won't play most brands of CD-R's (Maxell works best) either... half way through the disc (or sooner) it'll start to skip. These are burned on a Plextor Premium, too.... Acura is going to replace the whole unit for me when I go in for my first oil change.
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Memorex
Ah ha! I posted about this a while ago in the Problems & Fixes Forum ... I never thought it could be the brand. Yes, they were Memorexes that I was using ... ooooh, cannot wait to try a different brand bc I am so sick of my CDs givin me issues.
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there has been two cd's since i got my car a year ago that do this. velvet revolver cd skips and has an error 95% of the time on track 12, and a random burned cd I have was skipping, but i narrowed that one down to a bunch of scratches. i reburned it and it worked fine ever since... 
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1. Use a high quality CD-R, such as Sony. Store brand ones like the 50-pack you get in Best Buy for $9.99 are not worth it when you consider the amount of time you will waste and frustration you will experience. Spend the extra $ for good discs and skip the hassle.
2. Burn at the slowest speed your burner will handle. Should be 4x. I used to burn at 38x or 40x until people started having trouble with the CDs I burned for them. Mostly when they went to play them in their car. Now when I burn for people, if there is any chance they will be playing the disc in their car, I burn at 4x.
3. Always make sure the disc is clean before you put it in the player. This should go without saying. Once dirt gets in there, its gonna screw things up and be hard to get out.
2. Burn at the slowest speed your burner will handle. Should be 4x. I used to burn at 38x or 40x until people started having trouble with the CDs I burned for them. Mostly when they went to play them in their car. Now when I burn for people, if there is any chance they will be playing the disc in their car, I burn at 4x.
3. Always make sure the disc is clean before you put it in the player. This should go without saying. Once dirt gets in there, its gonna screw things up and be hard to get out.
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I had a computer in college that ended up having the same problem. What had happen is we burned so many CDs (Napster days) that the burner was no longer acurate. I spent $100 for a new burner and never had another problem.
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I remember hearing somewhere that it might have something to do with the chemical that memorex uses on the undercoating of the disc.
And for the record ... My old TL couldn't read them but the 05 TSX can with no problem.
The problem with CDRs is that there are so many factors involved that it can be almost anything ... burn speed, brand, track at once, disc at once, the program you're using... etc ...
I've hit my head against the wall TONS of times!!! Thanks God my new TSX doesn't have any problems YET
And for the record ... My old TL couldn't read them but the 05 TSX can with no problem.
The problem with CDRs is that there are so many factors involved that it can be almost anything ... burn speed, brand, track at once, disc at once, the program you're using... etc ...
I've hit my head against the wall TONS of times!!! Thanks God my new TSX doesn't have any problems YET
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Originally Posted by RadYOacTVe
Try burning the CD at a slower speed. The CD spins slower at the center so the laser is probably able to read it but as the the laser moves outwards the CD spins faster and with the faster burn speed, the laser is probably having a hard time reading the disc.
Burn speed will not affect the read speed of the player. All audio players spin the disk at 1x speed, or about 600 RPM. When you burn the disk at, say, 32x, you're spinning the disk at 19,200 RPM for the burn session only. When you put that burned CD-R into an audio player it will still spin at 600 RPM (1x) regardless of how fast it was burned. This is because CD audio players read at a fixed, unbuffered data rate of 44kbps, and spinning the disk any slower or faster than that results in an incorrect bitrate, and funny sounding music.
CD-R skipping is not as big of an issue as it once was. This is because of the substrate material used in the construction of the disks themselves. The old CD-R's that were limited to something like 8x burn speed used an inferior photosensitive material that wasn't as sensitive to the burning laser, and thus had to be rotated slower to be recorded on properly. This substrate was also very dark in color, usually a deep blue or aquamarine color. Sometimes purple. Remember that a CD player works by reflecting a laser off the recorded surface deep inside the disk and back out again. So when you used dark colored disks, a lot of that laser light (or near-IR as it usually is) was attenuated by the plastic of the disk and never made it back into the photodetector inside the head of the player. A reduced reflected light level made the disks a lot harder for the player to read, and by proxy, more sensitive to skipping issues.
Newer disks use better material and are therefore lighter in color by necessity of their composition. Take a look - 48x CD-R's are almost clear with only a slight tint of green/blue to their plastic. They're almost as reflective as a mass produced CD that's been stamped out of a very thin aluminum sheet. They are much more reflective to the laser light inside the player, so they skip a lot less.
Short answer: Get a 32x+ speed disk and you'll be fine. Just make sure the back side of the disks are nice and reflective, and as clear/non colored as possible. The ones that are "made for audio" are no different than regular CD-R's for data use. If a brand name suits you, go for it, but I've not yet encountered anything that was prohibitively crappy in the recording surface department.
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Originally Posted by rmpage
This is partly correct. The location vs. linear velocity rate is right, but burn speed has no effect on it.
Burn speed will not affect the read speed of the player. All audio players spin the disk at 1x speed, or about 600 RPM. When you burn the disk at, say, 32x, you're spinning the disk at 19,200 RPM for the burn session only. When you put that burned CD-R into an audio player it will still spin at 600 RPM (1x) regardless of how fast it was burned. This is because CD audio players read at a fixed, unbuffered data rate of 44kbps, and spinning the disk any slower or faster than that results in an incorrect bitrate, and funny sounding music.
CD-R skipping is not as big of an issue as it once was. This is because of the substrate material used in the construction of the disks themselves. The old CD-R's that were limited to something like 8x burn speed used an inferior photosensitive material that wasn't as sensitive to the burning laser, and thus had to be rotated slower to be recorded on properly. This substrate was also very dark in color, usually a deep blue or aquamarine color. Sometimes purple. Remember that a CD player works by reflecting a laser off the recorded surface deep inside the disk and back out again. So when you used dark colored disks, a lot of that laser light (or near-IR as it usually is) was attenuated by the plastic of the disk and never made it back into the photodetector inside the head of the player. A reduced reflected light level made the disks a lot harder for the player to read, and by proxy, more sensitive to skipping issues.
Newer disks use better material and are therefore lighter in color by necessity of their composition. Take a look - 48x CD-R's are almost clear with only a slight tint of green/blue to their plastic. They're almost as reflective as a mass produced CD that's been stamped out of a very thin aluminum sheet. They are much more reflective to the laser light inside the player, so they skip a lot less.
Short answer: Get a 32x+ speed disk and you'll be fine. Just make sure the back side of the disks are nice and reflective, and as clear/non colored as possible. The ones that are "made for audio" are no different than regular CD-R's for data use. If a brand name suits you, go for it, but I've not yet encountered anything that was prohibitively crappy in the recording surface department.
Burn speed will not affect the read speed of the player. All audio players spin the disk at 1x speed, or about 600 RPM. When you burn the disk at, say, 32x, you're spinning the disk at 19,200 RPM for the burn session only. When you put that burned CD-R into an audio player it will still spin at 600 RPM (1x) regardless of how fast it was burned. This is because CD audio players read at a fixed, unbuffered data rate of 44kbps, and spinning the disk any slower or faster than that results in an incorrect bitrate, and funny sounding music.
CD-R skipping is not as big of an issue as it once was. This is because of the substrate material used in the construction of the disks themselves. The old CD-R's that were limited to something like 8x burn speed used an inferior photosensitive material that wasn't as sensitive to the burning laser, and thus had to be rotated slower to be recorded on properly. This substrate was also very dark in color, usually a deep blue or aquamarine color. Sometimes purple. Remember that a CD player works by reflecting a laser off the recorded surface deep inside the disk and back out again. So when you used dark colored disks, a lot of that laser light (or near-IR as it usually is) was attenuated by the plastic of the disk and never made it back into the photodetector inside the head of the player. A reduced reflected light level made the disks a lot harder for the player to read, and by proxy, more sensitive to skipping issues.
Newer disks use better material and are therefore lighter in color by necessity of their composition. Take a look - 48x CD-R's are almost clear with only a slight tint of green/blue to their plastic. They're almost as reflective as a mass produced CD that's been stamped out of a very thin aluminum sheet. They are much more reflective to the laser light inside the player, so they skip a lot less.
Short answer: Get a 32x+ speed disk and you'll be fine. Just make sure the back side of the disks are nice and reflective, and as clear/non colored as possible. The ones that are "made for audio" are no different than regular CD-R's for data use. If a brand name suits you, go for it, but I've not yet encountered anything that was prohibitively crappy in the recording surface department.
Now THAT's an answer!!!
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Originally Posted by rmpage
This is partly correct. The location vs. linear velocity rate is right, but burn speed has no effect on it.
Burn speed will not affect the read speed of the player. All audio players spin the disk at 1x speed, or about 600 RPM. When you burn the disk at, say, 32x, you're spinning the disk at 19,200 RPM for the burn session only. When you put that burned CD-R into an audio player it will still spin at 600 RPM (1x) regardless of how fast it was burned. This is because CD audio players read at a fixed, unbuffered data rate of 44kbps, and spinning the disk any slower or faster than that results in an incorrect bitrate, and funny sounding music.
CD-R skipping is not as big of an issue as it once was. This is because of the substrate material used in the construction of the disks themselves. The old CD-R's that were limited to something like 8x burn speed used an inferior photosensitive material that wasn't as sensitive to the burning laser, and thus had to be rotated slower to be recorded on properly. This substrate was also very dark in color, usually a deep blue or aquamarine color. Sometimes purple. Remember that a CD player works by reflecting a laser off the recorded surface deep inside the disk and back out again. So when you used dark colored disks, a lot of that laser light (or near-IR as it usually is) was attenuated by the plastic of the disk and never made it back into the photodetector inside the head of the player. A reduced reflected light level made the disks a lot harder for the player to read, and by proxy, more sensitive to skipping issues.
Newer disks use better material and are therefore lighter in color by necessity of their composition. Take a look - 48x CD-R's are almost clear with only a slight tint of green/blue to their plastic. They're almost as reflective as a mass produced CD that's been stamped out of a very thin aluminum sheet. They are much more reflective to the laser light inside the player, so they skip a lot less.
Short answer: Get a 32x+ speed disk and you'll be fine. Just make sure the back side of the disks are nice and reflective, and as clear/non colored as possible. The ones that are "made for audio" are no different than regular CD-R's for data use. If a brand name suits you, go for it, but I've not yet encountered anything that was prohibitively crappy in the recording surface department.
Burn speed will not affect the read speed of the player. All audio players spin the disk at 1x speed, or about 600 RPM. When you burn the disk at, say, 32x, you're spinning the disk at 19,200 RPM for the burn session only. When you put that burned CD-R into an audio player it will still spin at 600 RPM (1x) regardless of how fast it was burned. This is because CD audio players read at a fixed, unbuffered data rate of 44kbps, and spinning the disk any slower or faster than that results in an incorrect bitrate, and funny sounding music.
CD-R skipping is not as big of an issue as it once was. This is because of the substrate material used in the construction of the disks themselves. The old CD-R's that were limited to something like 8x burn speed used an inferior photosensitive material that wasn't as sensitive to the burning laser, and thus had to be rotated slower to be recorded on properly. This substrate was also very dark in color, usually a deep blue or aquamarine color. Sometimes purple. Remember that a CD player works by reflecting a laser off the recorded surface deep inside the disk and back out again. So when you used dark colored disks, a lot of that laser light (or near-IR as it usually is) was attenuated by the plastic of the disk and never made it back into the photodetector inside the head of the player. A reduced reflected light level made the disks a lot harder for the player to read, and by proxy, more sensitive to skipping issues.
Newer disks use better material and are therefore lighter in color by necessity of their composition. Take a look - 48x CD-R's are almost clear with only a slight tint of green/blue to their plastic. They're almost as reflective as a mass produced CD that's been stamped out of a very thin aluminum sheet. They are much more reflective to the laser light inside the player, so they skip a lot less.
Short answer: Get a 32x+ speed disk and you'll be fine. Just make sure the back side of the disks are nice and reflective, and as clear/non colored as possible. The ones that are "made for audio" are no different than regular CD-R's for data use. If a brand name suits you, go for it, but I've not yet encountered anything that was prohibitively crappy in the recording surface department.
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I've noticed the CD skipping thing in the last few months of listening to CDs. I'm using Imation CDRs, I thought they were one of the best. I guess I'll have to try another brand. Around track 10-12, the cd player starts making all these noises with the laser running back and forth.
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Originally Posted by FiVa
Anyone experience this with a CDR that they burnt from the computer?(not mp3 CD) The CD changer played a few songs,but 3 or 4 tracks later it starts to skip. At the end it just won't read the disk unless i turn off the audio system and back on. This just happens to CDR, "real" CDs are fine.
Is it one particular CD-R, or all CD-R's???
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i have a feeling the pioneer/panasonic units we have don't have very good buffering. i have a mix of cd-r's and they all skip and jump no matter what track i'm listening too. sony, tdk, imation, maxwell, whatever - all my cd's skip. these are cd's that NEVER skipped in my previous car...
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when my CDs first skipped I thought it was my burning speed. I slowed that down, didn't help. I then burned with my laptop with different software, same thing. I changed my media to FUJI CD-Rs, that worked!! I had a skip free CD.
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