Motoring 2007 Crossover of the year
Motoring 2007 Crossover of the year
Picked by the show
Nominees, Mazda CX-7, Ford Edge, Acura RDX
Winner Acura RDX
In addition, web poll on the above nominees
Acura RDX 42.5%
Mazda CX-7 36.6%
Ford Edge 20.9%
Of course we all know it won the AJAIC (assoc of Cdn Journalists) award for Crossover of the year. The largest comparison and voting in the world as I understand it. Over 200 journalists testing and voting on all new 2007 automobiles.
Just thought you might like to know what they think about it up here in Canada.
Nominees, Mazda CX-7, Ford Edge, Acura RDX
Winner Acura RDX
In addition, web poll on the above nominees
Acura RDX 42.5%
Mazda CX-7 36.6%
Ford Edge 20.9%
Of course we all know it won the AJAIC (assoc of Cdn Journalists) award for Crossover of the year. The largest comparison and voting in the world as I understand it. Over 200 journalists testing and voting on all new 2007 automobiles.
Just thought you might like to know what they think about it up here in Canada.
This was their parting comments
"Part SUV, part station wagon and all sports car. It is a blast to drive and a very worthy winner."
When I saw them do the road test on it several months ago the guy testing it said it was so much fun going through the pylons that he kept on doing it long after the camera was shut off.
My findings are when you drive this vehicle hard around corners through curves, shift down and give it the gas it hangs on and pushes you through unbelievably well in my opinion.
I do things in this that I wouldn't have done in my TSX and probably not in my RSX typeS. I cannot believe how well the SHAWD works myself.
"Part SUV, part station wagon and all sports car. It is a blast to drive and a very worthy winner."
When I saw them do the road test on it several months ago the guy testing it said it was so much fun going through the pylons that he kept on doing it long after the camera was shut off.
My findings are when you drive this vehicle hard around corners through curves, shift down and give it the gas it hangs on and pushes you through unbelievably well in my opinion.
I do things in this that I wouldn't have done in my TSX and probably not in my RSX typeS. I cannot believe how well the SHAWD works myself.
Originally Posted by iforyou
i wonder how well a tsx or rsx would handle if they were equipped with SH-AWD, assuming they can keep the weight down.
My first thought after i traded my RL in for the RDX was WOW this is fun to drive, now i know what its like to have a Porsche. I have 12000 miles now, still lovin it, I enjoy driving it, wish it had a couple more inches of legroom for tall folks
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Originally Posted by lumpulus
While I agree the RDX handles great, it is no RSX Type S. I've owned 5 Intergras/RSXs', and my G/F's RDX is no match for my former RSX/S
Yeah, I think the RDX handles exceptionally well for a CUV... but it is still a CUV, and it's centre of gravity is not what a true sports car would be at...
Just like a Cayenne will never outhandle the 911 turbo...
I have a TSX too... and it is truly a well handling sports sedan... handles better than the RDX (mainly because it is lower than the RDX), but not better than the RSX-S.
I tell my friends how good the RDX handling is, but at the same time, irregardless of my zeal and excitement for my RDX, I humbly have to remind myself that it is still a CUV, not a true sports car... Go around a corner a little too fast, and the laws of physics will remind you of the car's limitations (one can potentially flip over due to the momentum of inertia and the centre of gravity of the RDX). the SH-AWD can be a problem in those situations...The car body wanting to move out due to centrifugal forces, the outside wheels getting more grip and ends up being potentially a pivot for the high centre of gravity body...
You are all entitled to your own opinion and your driving skills are the overall determing factor as to how you make any vehicle perform. Know your limitations and know your vehicles. I have driven many more vehicles and racked up many more miles than most of you and I know what I can do, what the vehicle can do. You have to learn its limits and maybe I just happen to explore those limits a little farther than some of you do.
I have 15,000 km's on the RDX now and it surprises me more and more as to what it is capable of
"Just like a Cayenne will never outhandle the 911 turbo..." Yeah like an RSX is in the 911 turbo class.
I have had 5 Integra's/ RSX/TSX as well plus I drive the RDX everyday/ 15,000km's to date so I speak from my experience. Also had a loaner TSX on Saturday when my RDX was in for service and while I was reminded of some of the things I liked with it I realized how good the RDX stacks up against it. That is my opinion and my experience.
To each their own but to respect what this vehicle can do you can only tell by testing its limitations within your own skill factor and maybe I explore that a little more than some of you would like to do. There is no way you will find out in regular every day driving how capable this vehicle is or what it's limitations are.
I have 15,000 km's on the RDX now and it surprises me more and more as to what it is capable of
"Just like a Cayenne will never outhandle the 911 turbo..." Yeah like an RSX is in the 911 turbo class.
I have had 5 Integra's/ RSX/TSX as well plus I drive the RDX everyday/ 15,000km's to date so I speak from my experience. Also had a loaner TSX on Saturday when my RDX was in for service and while I was reminded of some of the things I liked with it I realized how good the RDX stacks up against it. That is my opinion and my experience.
To each their own but to respect what this vehicle can do you can only tell by testing its limitations within your own skill factor and maybe I explore that a little more than some of you would like to do. There is no way you will find out in regular every day driving how capable this vehicle is or what it's limitations are.
Originally Posted by terdonal
You are all entitled to your own opinion and your driving skills are the overall determing factor as to how you make any vehicle perform. Know your limitations and know your vehicles. I have driven many more vehicles and racked up many more miles than most of you and I know what I can do, what the vehicle can do. You have to learn its limits and maybe I just happen to explore those limits a little farther than some of you do.
I have 15,000 km's on the RDX now and it surprises me more and more as to what it is capable of
"Just like a Cayenne will never outhandle the 911 turbo..." Yeah like an RSX is in the 911 turbo class.
[MAV238] I didn't say the RSX is in the 911 turbo class did I??? But the Cayenne definitely will not be in the same class of handling as the 911 turbo... ride height... big difference...
I have had 5 Integra's/ RSX/TSX as well plus I drive the RDX everyday/ 15,000km's to date so I speak from my experience. Also had a loaner TSX on Saturday when my RDX was in for service and while I was reminded of some of the things I liked with it I realized how good the RDX stacks up against it. That is my opinion and my experience.
To each their own but to respect what this vehicle can do you can only tell by testing its limitations within your own skill factor and maybe I explore that a little more than some of you would like to do. There is no way you will find out in regular every day driving how capable this vehicle is or what it's limitations are.
I have 15,000 km's on the RDX now and it surprises me more and more as to what it is capable of
"Just like a Cayenne will never outhandle the 911 turbo..." Yeah like an RSX is in the 911 turbo class.
[MAV238] I didn't say the RSX is in the 911 turbo class did I??? But the Cayenne definitely will not be in the same class of handling as the 911 turbo... ride height... big difference...
I have had 5 Integra's/ RSX/TSX as well plus I drive the RDX everyday/ 15,000km's to date so I speak from my experience. Also had a loaner TSX on Saturday when my RDX was in for service and while I was reminded of some of the things I liked with it I realized how good the RDX stacks up against it. That is my opinion and my experience.
To each their own but to respect what this vehicle can do you can only tell by testing its limitations within your own skill factor and maybe I explore that a little more than some of you would like to do. There is no way you will find out in regular every day driving how capable this vehicle is or what it's limitations are.
Also, I did say the RDX handles really well for a CUV, has some sports car like traits... But I would personally not say it is as good as a dedicated built sports car like the RSX-S ... It is not that the RDX suspension is not well built... it is very stiff like what a typicaly sports sedan would be like... it also has SH-AWD...
But I would personally go as far as only saying "it handles VERY WELL for a CUV, but it is still a CUV, and not a sports car". Like you said, that is my own personal opinion on it... You are definitely entitiled to yours...
[MAV238] I didn't say the RSX is in the 911 turbo class did I??? But the Cayenne definitely will not be in the same class of handling as the 911 turbo... ride height... big difference...
Well the inference is there as I read it but the 911 Turbo is in a class of its own, hardly the same can be said for the RSX that I was talking about so I guess I don't see the relevance of your statement. Nor was the RSX a dedicated sports car. As much as I liked the RSX it was just a very good handling, high reving sport coupe and even the Integra R type could fall into that category. I never referred to the RDX as a sports car, that was a comment made by the testers of the RDX in the referred to show.
Now while I am sure there is some tongue in cheek there the point is technology changes every day and what is a CUV of today could easily equate to capabilities of a sports car or sporty car of yesterday. There road course tests and trials show that and the voting confirms that. Contrary to what others who come on here and say about the CX-7 and RAV 4 etc.
Statistics and what is on paper don't always equate to real world use and all I am saying is if you don't explore it or have the capabilities to explore it, not saying that you don't, most will just never know what it is capable of.
I have been impressed over the years with many of the vehicles I have purchased/leased or just driven. I have driven a 911 Turbo for example and it is one heck of an automobile and would love to have one. Having said that what I am finding in the power/handling of the RDX is that it is way beyond what most people think and for its class is much superior to many that I have driven or owned over the years.
The category of CUV does not limit what this vehicle can do at least not in my experience past and present. If you think that way you will never know what it is capable of but only be concerned as to what it shouldn't be capable of.
In over 44 yrs of driving, owning over 50 vehicles I know this one is right up there and in terms of overall package is way ahead of most of them.
That is the advance of technology and automobile engineering and design.
Well the inference is there as I read it but the 911 Turbo is in a class of its own, hardly the same can be said for the RSX that I was talking about so I guess I don't see the relevance of your statement. Nor was the RSX a dedicated sports car. As much as I liked the RSX it was just a very good handling, high reving sport coupe and even the Integra R type could fall into that category. I never referred to the RDX as a sports car, that was a comment made by the testers of the RDX in the referred to show.
Now while I am sure there is some tongue in cheek there the point is technology changes every day and what is a CUV of today could easily equate to capabilities of a sports car or sporty car of yesterday. There road course tests and trials show that and the voting confirms that. Contrary to what others who come on here and say about the CX-7 and RAV 4 etc.
Statistics and what is on paper don't always equate to real world use and all I am saying is if you don't explore it or have the capabilities to explore it, not saying that you don't, most will just never know what it is capable of.
I have been impressed over the years with many of the vehicles I have purchased/leased or just driven. I have driven a 911 Turbo for example and it is one heck of an automobile and would love to have one. Having said that what I am finding in the power/handling of the RDX is that it is way beyond what most people think and for its class is much superior to many that I have driven or owned over the years.
The category of CUV does not limit what this vehicle can do at least not in my experience past and present. If you think that way you will never know what it is capable of but only be concerned as to what it shouldn't be capable of.
In over 44 yrs of driving, owning over 50 vehicles I know this one is right up there and in terms of overall package is way ahead of most of them.
That is the advance of technology and automobile engineering and design.
Originally Posted by terdonal
[MAV238] I didn't say the RSX is in the 911 turbo class did I??? But the Cayenne definitely will not be in the same class of handling as the 911 turbo... ride height... big difference...
Well the inference is there as I read it but the 911 Turbo is in a class of its own, hardly the same can be said for the RSX that I was talking about so I guess I don't see the relevance of your statement. Nor was the RSX a dedicated sports car. As much as I liked the RSX it was just a very good handling, high reving sport coupe and even the Integra R type could fall into that category. I never referred to the RDX as a sports car, that was a comment made by the testers of the RDX in the referred to show.
Now while I am sure there is some tongue in cheek there the point is technology changes every day and what is a CUV of today could easily equate to capabilities of a sports car or sporty car of yesterday. There road course tests and trials show that and the voting confirms that. Contrary to what others who come on here and say about the CX-7 and RAV 4 etc.
Statistics and what is on paper don't always equate to real world use and all I am saying is if you don't explore it or have the capabilities to explore it, not saying that you don't, most will just never know what it is capable of.
I have been impressed over the years with many of the vehicles I have purchased/leased or just driven. I have driven a 911 Turbo for example and it is one heck of an automobile and would love to have one. Having said that what I am finding in the power/handling of the RDX is that it is way beyond what most people think and for its class is much superior to many that I have driven or owned over the years.
The category of CUV does not limit what this vehicle can do at least not in my experience past and present. If you think that way you will never know what it is capable of but only be concerned as to what it shouldn't be capable of.
In over 44 yrs of driving, owning over 50 vehicles I know this one is right up there and in terms of overall package is way ahead of most of them.
That is the advance of technology and automobile engineering and design.
Well the inference is there as I read it but the 911 Turbo is in a class of its own, hardly the same can be said for the RSX that I was talking about so I guess I don't see the relevance of your statement. Nor was the RSX a dedicated sports car. As much as I liked the RSX it was just a very good handling, high reving sport coupe and even the Integra R type could fall into that category. I never referred to the RDX as a sports car, that was a comment made by the testers of the RDX in the referred to show.
Now while I am sure there is some tongue in cheek there the point is technology changes every day and what is a CUV of today could easily equate to capabilities of a sports car or sporty car of yesterday. There road course tests and trials show that and the voting confirms that. Contrary to what others who come on here and say about the CX-7 and RAV 4 etc.
Statistics and what is on paper don't always equate to real world use and all I am saying is if you don't explore it or have the capabilities to explore it, not saying that you don't, most will just never know what it is capable of.
I have been impressed over the years with many of the vehicles I have purchased/leased or just driven. I have driven a 911 Turbo for example and it is one heck of an automobile and would love to have one. Having said that what I am finding in the power/handling of the RDX is that it is way beyond what most people think and for its class is much superior to many that I have driven or owned over the years.
The category of CUV does not limit what this vehicle can do at least not in my experience past and present. If you think that way you will never know what it is capable of but only be concerned as to what it shouldn't be capable of.
In over 44 yrs of driving, owning over 50 vehicles I know this one is right up there and in terms of overall package is way ahead of most of them.
That is the advance of technology and automobile engineering and design.
Good stuff... well said... 44 years of driving certainly earns a huge bow from me...
or at least your age does... anyway, besides the point...Never did dispute any of your points relating to the good handling and performance of the RDX in it's class (small CUVs). In fact, it's handling probably leads the pack.
And you are right, That is the advance of technology and automobile engineering and design.
For your information, I have experienced the RDX going around a corner at a higher than normal speed, experiencing the SH-AWD and the taut suspension. But that was when I was test-driving the vehicle in a "safe" area and time where the traffic is not busy and pedestrians are limited. I suggest you do the same, since you seem to indicate that you like to push the RDX. You live in greater vancouver, even maple ridge can be a rather busy place... please don't risk any personal injury or to others, just to experience the "awesome" performance of the RDX. I do not drive my personal RDX like that, especially where the conditions makes it risky... just my personal choice...
Back to my point... during the test-drive, I noticed that the SH-AWD and taut suspension does add the extra traction during tight cornering maneuvers. It is definitely noticeably better than the RAV4 and other CUVs I have driven.
But, IMHO, it is no sports sedan either (let alone a sports car). It is not the taut suspension or SH-AWD that is the issue... I have said in my previous post, it is simply the fact that the ride height compromises whatever "advance of technology and automobile engineering and design" that may be...
Have you ever heard of a true sports sedan, that touts it's ride height is that of a CUV? Rather, it wants to get lower and as low as it would deem feasible.
RDX, yes, a fine handling CUV,... but the laws of physics cannot be repealed...high centre of gravity = not great for sports car like handling... even for CUVs like the Porsche Cayenne (pedigree of the Porsche Legend...
But I do like the RDX for what it represents... a nice blend between confidence-inspiring handling over other CUVs, and great exterior/interior looks...
I'm not putting the RDX down at all, or totally against your points...
"For your information, I have experienced the RDX going around a corner at a higher than normal speed, experiencing the SH-AWD and the taut suspension. But that was when I was test-driving the vehicle in a "safe" area and time where the traffic is not busy and pedestrians are limited. I suggest you do the same, since you seem to indicate that you like to push the RDX. You live in greater vancouver, even maple ridge can be a rather busy place... please don't risk any personal injury or to others, just to experience the "awesome" performance of the RDX. I do not drive my personal RDX like that, especially where the conditions makes it risky... just my personal choice..."
Thank you for the tips on safe driving. Yes I have been driving for 44 years racked up probably around 1,500,000 km's. I have had 2 accidents in that time, one when I was 17 heading back to the Naval base and made a stupid mistake of passing 5 cars and the last one turned left in front me. Lesson learned. The second accident, about 25 yeears ago hit broadside by a woman who went through a red light, lesson learned, life can end in the blink of an eye.
Total traffic infractions 4 speeding tickets. Why because I am lucky, yes, and I also drive smart. I get better gas mileage than most who post on here, why because I drive smart.
How do I know how the RDX handles vs others or the TSX vs the RSX or the TL vs the CL typeS etc. because I travel the same roads day after day for the last 25 years.
Do I do stupid things once in awhile, probably by your standards and over the years even by my own standards.
We can disagree on the vehicles or agree but one thing I don't need your condescending advise on how to drive, thank you very much.
Thank you for the tips on safe driving. Yes I have been driving for 44 years racked up probably around 1,500,000 km's. I have had 2 accidents in that time, one when I was 17 heading back to the Naval base and made a stupid mistake of passing 5 cars and the last one turned left in front me. Lesson learned. The second accident, about 25 yeears ago hit broadside by a woman who went through a red light, lesson learned, life can end in the blink of an eye.
Total traffic infractions 4 speeding tickets. Why because I am lucky, yes, and I also drive smart. I get better gas mileage than most who post on here, why because I drive smart.
How do I know how the RDX handles vs others or the TSX vs the RSX or the TL vs the CL typeS etc. because I travel the same roads day after day for the last 25 years.
Do I do stupid things once in awhile, probably by your standards and over the years even by my own standards.
We can disagree on the vehicles or agree but one thing I don't need your condescending advise on how to drive, thank you very much.
Originally Posted by terdonal
[MAV238]
The category of CUV does not limit what this vehicle can do at least not in my experience past and present.
The category of CUV does not limit what this vehicle can do at least not in my experience past and present.
Engineers are always seeking a low CG and small Polar Moment of Inertia in a performance platform. The RDX has neither of these. It derives it's exceptional performance from torsional rigidity, stiff and limited suspension travel and the oversteering effect of SH-AWD.
If Acura puts a low CG, low PMI body on the RDX platform it will perform better in all competitive testing and real world use. A TSX-like vehicle is the obvious choice for this platform to compete with the fire breathing AWDs from Subaru, Mitsubishi and VW (STi, Evo and R32).
Originally Posted by 737 Jock
While I appreciate your experience and share your fondness for the RDX, it is most certainly limited by it's CUV category.
Engineers are always seeking a low CG and small Polar Moment of Inertia in a performance platform. The RDX has neither of these. It derives it's exceptional performance from torsional rigidity, stiff and limited suspension travel and the oversteering effect of SH-AWD.
If Acura puts a low CG, low PMI body on the RDX platform it will perform better in all competitive testing and real world use. A TSX-like vehicle is the obvious choice for this platform to compete with the fire breathing AWDs from Subaru, Mitsubishi and VW (STi, Evo and R32).
Engineers are always seeking a low CG and small Polar Moment of Inertia in a performance platform. The RDX has neither of these. It derives it's exceptional performance from torsional rigidity, stiff and limited suspension travel and the oversteering effect of SH-AWD.
If Acura puts a low CG, low PMI body on the RDX platform it will perform better in all competitive testing and real world use. A TSX-like vehicle is the obvious choice for this platform to compete with the fire breathing AWDs from Subaru, Mitsubishi and VW (STi, Evo and R32).
+1
My sentiments exactly.
Originally Posted by 737 Jock
If Acura puts a low CG, low PMI body on the RDX platform it will perform better in all competitive testing and real world use. A TSX-like vehicle is the obvious choice for this platform to compete with the fire breathing AWDs from Subaru, Mitsubishi and VW (STi, Evo and R32).
If I was looking for the class of vehicle you are talking about I wouldn't have gone with the RDX and I most certainly never indicated it could compete with those auto's.
This post was to inform people regarding a team of auto reviewers again picking the RDX in the top of its class for 2007 and some of my thoughts on my experience with other Acura vehicles as compared to the RDX that I have owned or leased over the years.
Thanks all for your input and comments.
FDR Drive
I had a great experience driving last night. I was set to get off at 61st Street on the FDR drive in N.Y.C. The exit came up faster than my mind anticipated it and I went for it. The RDX made a sports car like manuever, got off the FDR into the exit and braked in time to be behind the cars in front of me safely while waiting for a traffic light to change. My odl Jeep would have been on it's side and I never would have even attempted that. Gotta have fun sometimes.
Originally Posted by terdonal
Picked by the show
Nominees, Mazda CX-7, Ford Edge, Acura RDX
Winner Acura RDX
In addition, web poll on the above nominees
Acura RDX 42.5%
Mazda CX-7 36.6%
Ford Edge 20.9%
Of course we all know it won the AJAIC (assoc of Cdn Journalists) award for Crossover of the year. The largest comparison and voting in the world as I understand it. Over 200 journalists testing and voting on all new 2007 automobiles.
Just thought you might like to know what they think about it up here in Canada.
Nominees, Mazda CX-7, Ford Edge, Acura RDX
Winner Acura RDX
In addition, web poll on the above nominees
Acura RDX 42.5%
Mazda CX-7 36.6%
Ford Edge 20.9%
Of course we all know it won the AJAIC (assoc of Cdn Journalists) award for Crossover of the year. The largest comparison and voting in the world as I understand it. Over 200 journalists testing and voting on all new 2007 automobiles.
Just thought you might like to know what they think about it up here in Canada.
First of all, I would like to say "hi" to everyone . I'm new to this forum but not to Acura community, having own a 2004 TL (SOLD). Well, I just got a RDX with Tech as my "snow mobile" since my primary vehicle is RWD with summer tires.
Much to my surprise, according to Edmunds Inside Line the RDX outperforms (handling/acceleration) the TSX, RL and can keep up with many V6 sedan.
Check out 0-60, 1/4 mile and slalom:
RDX
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=102048
TSX:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=66194
RL:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...5/pageId=61828
Only the TL (non S-type) is SLIGHTLY better:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=57722
Much to my surprise, according to Edmunds Inside Line the RDX outperforms (handling/acceleration) the TSX, RL and can keep up with many V6 sedan.
Check out 0-60, 1/4 mile and slalom:
RDX
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=102048
TSX:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=66194
RL:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...5/pageId=61828
Only the TL (non S-type) is SLIGHTLY better:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=57722
Originally Posted by zen68
First of all, I would like to say "hi" to everyone . I'm new to this forum but not to Acura community, having own a 2004 TL (SOLD). Well, I just got a RDX with Tech as my "snow mobile" since my primary vehicle is RWD with summer tires.
Much to my surprise, according to Edmunds Inside Line the RDX outperforms (handling/acceleration) the TSX, RL and can keep up with many V6 sedan.
Check out 0-60, 1/4 mile and slalom:
RDX
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=102048
TSX:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=66194
RL:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...5/pageId=61828
Only the TL (non S-type) is SLIGHTLY better:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=57722
Much to my surprise, according to Edmunds Inside Line the RDX outperforms (handling/acceleration) the TSX, RL and can keep up with many V6 sedan.
Check out 0-60, 1/4 mile and slalom:
RDX
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=102048
TSX:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=66194
RL:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...5/pageId=61828
Only the TL (non S-type) is SLIGHTLY better:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=57722
The TL only bests the RDX with the 6 speed manual. In the automatic trim (which I used to own) the RDX would win hands down.
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