Is it possible to get 200whp from the 2.2 without boost? if not, what about to the crank? if not, what IS the potential of an N/A 2.2 with tuned ecu, full exhaust+headers, lightened pullies, intake, etc? or am i going to have to pick up an Hmotor to get any decent power at all..

 

Anything is possible with the right amount of money. Getting an F22 to 200whp w/o boost before an H22 is not going to happen for the same amount of money to swap in an H22 and do the same.

 

really.. im new to the import cars, i guess all these engines drop in with ease eh

 

^ the h22 is...

 

ya... no, not all engines drop in with ease.

Search, this stuff's is covered literally every month.

 

I honestly don't think the F22 is worth an all motor build. It would be nice to see someone do it though.

It's not that hard to reach 200whp with the H22, however. Get some more aggressive cams, bump the compression, new intake manifold along with the standard bolt ons and engine management like Hondata should get you into that HP range.

 

yeah honda-tek would be your best bet for f22 build threads, I came across a sick one the other day.

 

the most i've seen on a built NA F22/F23 was 169hp, 170tq. Built motor, Bisimoto cam, and i'd still hand him his ass. Not worth the money if u ask me. Those motors are pretty good on boost though, iron block makes for reliability w/boost even on stock internals with like 12-15 lbs or less.

 

i read on honda-tek that the only way an f is better than an h for boosting is its low compression. It doesn't actually have an iron sleeve, ust an iron cased one which isn't really as durable as it sounds.... hmph

 

 

^^ wayyy tooo go habibbb

 

PM davzilla. he claimed many time he can mod an f22 to match the output of an H22.

 

Yes yes and yes but in the long run you will need to sleeve for more power. Sleeve a F and a H then make a comparison. Boost is all about the air baby. Sorry but a sleeved H is much better candidate for higher hp.


200? Swap an H. Get bolt-pons. Cams, pulleys, a lil p-n-p and a mean tune. You will def get 200+. Believe me they are fun engines. A lot of fun.

 

Yeah on a gutted hatch. K that blatch.

The two motors need to stop being compared. The H is a great motor under its category. The K is great along with the F under their category. One day we are going to bring up the LS1 like anhedonia said......

 

yeah that's what I was trying to say lol. I have done a lot more reading since we last talked about H's. I'll root for H from now on.

 

Appreciate the info.. i guess ill lightly mod for now and save up for the swap or a better car lol.. i got a great deal on a 2.2cl so im just seeing what its potential is on its own.. thanks again

 

dont even bother putting bolt ons on a 2.x i only did it cuz i got bangin deals on my dc header and greddy catback

 

then there's always the 3.0

 

yea forget the f22, but why try to make it fast, wanna go fast buy a bike.....

 

haha no.............

 

i hate when people post this in the middle of a CAR power discussion. Almost as annoying as "just throw an LS1 in it man!!"

 

haha.. if i lived in cali i would get a bike, but since i live in toronto and im not rich im going to stick with my automobile.. im askin for the potential w/o boost because my engine has 270k kms on it anyway.. a smooth runner with extra hp here an there while i save up is good enuff for me, especially with a car like the cl (not a racer)

 

.... maybe i should buy some stickers, they add hp right?

 

thats the best idea i've ever heard

 

 

well thats just the way it is. You can't go fast in a car without major work. So it's good advice. As for the f22 like it has been said why even try unless your gonna build the crap out of it to get power. Deal with the comments, if not liked just ignore

 

but suggesting a bike = off topic.

 

x2

This isn't a bike forum, or a discussion of bike power in comparison to an F series. deal with it, if not liked, just ignore.

 

ignore i shall.. glad im gettin a good response tho, i've been on a forum for my grand am awhile and they arent much help.. a lot of "buy a new car", i know its going to come out, and yes having an R1 would be sweet.. but so would 200hp out of my f22, and everyone is saying this engine is better for boost anyway

 

i think a swap would really be much more rewarding than getting an f22 up to 200hp probably cost less, sound better, look cooler, and rev higher.

 

yes but turbos go woosh



edit: actually they dont go woosh thats just me in the backseat

 

200hp at the crank to match an h22a is not that hard for an f22a, but that's not what you have.

200whp? boost.

SupraManAG, what does it matter which chassis the motor is in?

 

Wow, I remember the days on this forum, when people were so excited to find out that headers or an intake would fit on their engine, now it's always. "Don't buy bolt ons, do a motor swap, h22, k24" makes me miss the old days when people actually wanted to mod their cars

 

werd, i remember back even further than that. Although, even back then if you had an accord, it was still "h22 swap!".

silly fools, i used to get so much flack for wanting to work with what i had.

 

well i see.

But actually what are the horsepower Gains with a I/h/E?

15?

 

untuned...

im sure if you tune it, your gains would be a lot more noticable.

 

That's what I'm thinking. How much for a tune and how much do you think you could gain?

 

not sure. i think some shops around my area dynotune for about 300$ or so.

 

I still do (3.0 pride y0)

 

that is laaame now though, outdated pointless stuff to have/buy. It's like buying a VHS.