Weight... yes it does make a huge diff and yes i do know that you know that.
You are working on a F series yes?

 

i think so.. i got a 97 cl 4cyl. thats the f22 rite?(i dunno about the 'a' or 'b' part).. the thing i have with any f/i is tht you can do it to any car for it to gain big hp and its variable.. i just like a good engine that puts power to the road efficiently and is dependable.. if i do boost, i want it to be able to run 7psi for everyday, then up to maybe 12psi when i go to the strip.. too much?

 

people have gotten more budget concious and informed. that how I see it. bolt ons on an NA F series are wack. bought new, from reputable source, you'll spend 1000$ just on parts. you can get an h22 longblock for that much if not less.

you'll be lucky to see 15 tuned.

 

put it this way i raced my friends like 94 maxima or so im not sure its the older looking ones and i beat him by a car or car 1/2. thats with i/h/e. .. its whack

 

i meant the power output/gains are the same regardless of what the motor is in. obv the wieght difference makes you faster in a gutted hatch, it just has nothing to do with the current discussion, that's all.

 

lol i know how to read. i know what the discussion is about.
i believe you claimed that you can match the output of a built H out of your F. I would really wana see this. not only that but the gains are different. what you gain on a H you wont on the F. What you gain on the K you wont on the H. Its a known fact.

 

I built an f22a1 without a whole lot of actual work, nothing machined, stock internals, cam+gear, couple little thing's here and there, i/h/e and made what a stock h22a makes, but more torque. so from 125hp up to 195hp.

my point was usually that the f22a is easier and cheaper to come by and easy and cheaper to turbo. and it makes more torque than horespower which is good for accords/cl's cause they are heavy.

 

i say if you got a nice amount of cash.

keep the f and work it.

 

yeah I think the main question here is... how much did it cost you to put out 195HP on your f22?

 

i had an h23 sitting around , bought that for 400bucks years ago. used the whole intake manifold and tb, oil cooler and a few other parts. the webcam camshaft and aem cam gear i scored for 180, valve springs 50, b&m fpr and gauge 75, a/f gauge 30, apexi safc2 250 used, intake 35, header 150 and the apexi ws was 550 i think.

not really that bad, but....

i bought the motor for 100 bucks and stripped it down to the bare block, tranny was 250 had to pull it apart as well. so a full oem honda gasket, seals, bearings and a sychro later, it was a little costly there, but a motor i built by hand from the block up > some used "50K JDM" h22a.

 

that sounds really good for the f22 davzilla. too bad ive only got one motor as my DD so i cant afford to wait around while i build it up. =(

 

Those mods might make 25-30whp with a good tune. Do you have a dyno sheet? When you said "... from 125hp up to 195hp." Are you comparing hp at the wheels to hp at the crank? Also, if you used an aggressive cam, you would certainly need to bump up the compression and I didn't see anything about that in your list.

I'm not knocking your build. That's awesome if you made that much power. I just don't see anything there that would make some real gains except for maybe the cam.

 

hmmm, i think Dainfammus posted a link to a fully built f22 which only mad 153 or so whp with similar mods. a stock h22 puts down around 170. i'd like to see a dyno shee of this said 195 hp f22a1.

 

most of the stock h22a's i've seen put down 155-160hp stock.

the only dyno sheet i have is an un-tuned baseline, like no fpr or safc. wot you couldn't smell any fuel coming out the back. that was 130whp and 135ft-lbs.

and then i wrecked the car. still have it, motor is fine.

 

Hey Davzilla

Thanks for the input. Still got my F22. Was thinking of either turbo or H22 when the time comes. Makes me feel good to know i have a good made engine. i have about 200,000 miles on it and still runs strong. Of course she is pampered.

This will go on my list of what to do to her. Thanks for your knowledge and time.

 

how much you guys think it would cost to get a f23-t to 300 whp DD

 

don't think it's possible on a stock block, so lots. minus whale build an f22a

 

definitely possible on a stock block f22. the iron cylinders can take a lot of boost.

 

and cylinder walls? 300Whp is a bit much for a stock block designed for less than half of that power

 

werd, 300whp is gonna take like 15psi, not on a stock block.

 

and i didn't just pull out 15psi randomly. assuming 150whp without a turbo, you would need 15psi (14.7 is atmospheric) to effectively "double" the size of the motor.

and he's talking f23, which has the goofy 3stage vtec, isn't square and there was something else i didn't like....

 

wow this is cool.. so much info here it should sticky lol.. i like the point about the torque tho, might put a lot of extra strain on an h22 to pull around a cl with no serious weight reductions.. i mean the power will be there, but for how long? you would have to build it real nice the first time to keep maintanance cost down

 

..and dave, you still have tht engine, i wouldnt mind taking some used parts in the future lol

 

lol, the engine will live again, to much effort to let it go to waste. there's only 13,000kms on it.

it's either going in an ek hb or something completely different for good weather fun only