Cycling: Lance Armstrong Doping Saga **Admits to Cheating (page 8)**
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Sounds like a witch hunt.
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it's been a witch hunt for years... I think Lance has had it... and given up
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I'm not sure about that. He either is really is fed up with it all & is really going extreme, or he's guilty & is doing this now so it looks like he's not....
Amazing he would just give up all the titles, accomplishments, & recognition that have made him the person he is.
Amazing he would just give up all the titles, accomplishments, & recognition that have made him the person he is.
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I'm not sure about that. He either is really is fed up with it all & is really going extreme, or he's guilty & is doing this now so it looks like he's not....
Amazing he would just give up all the titles, accomplishments, & recognition that have made him the person he is.
Amazing he would just give up all the titles, accomplishments, & recognition that have made him the person he is.
Nothing more than a W I T C H H U N T
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Dick Pound (USADA) has had it in for Lance forever.
He now has his chance. All the other governing bodies US Federal, UCI, WADA didn't have enough to do anything to Lance, and now this dip S^%t has his time.
I think Lance just gave up, All this governing body has the ability to do is ban him for 2 year from future racing, they cannot take his titles away only the UCI or the WADA can do that.
He now has his chance. All the other governing bodies US Federal, UCI, WADA didn't have enough to do anything to Lance, and now this dip S^%t has his time.
I think Lance just gave up, All this governing body has the ability to do is ban him for 2 year from future racing, they cannot take his titles away only the UCI or the WADA can do that.
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I'm not sure about that. He either is really is fed up with it all & is really going extreme, or he's guilty & is doing this now so it looks like he's not....
Amazing he would just give up all the titles, accomplishments, & recognition that have made him the person he is.
Amazing he would just give up all the titles, accomplishments, & recognition that have made him the person he is.
Look at Roger Clemens and what he went through
While there has been a lot of hearsay there has been NO physical evidence to prove anything.
So, we have that whole thing here in America...innocent until proven guilty (I mean we used to, its been more of a meaningless phrase for 2 or more decades now.)
All the USADA has if this went to court is 10 "eye" witnesses...or people who rode with Lance who themselves were actually busted of doping.
The current actions of the USADA have just given Senator McCarthy a boner in his grave.
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Wow, that's nut.
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In this day and age....who is NOT juiced?
...and Bolt is not juiced either....right?.....come on.
Is it possible Lance was not juiced...sure, but if I'm going with the odds, I'd say he was.
...and Bolt is not juiced either....right?.....come on.
Is it possible Lance was not juiced...sure, but if I'm going with the odds, I'd say he was.
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Tough position to be in: he can keep fighting and incur a shit ton of legal fees, or cut his losses now.
I'm assuming he decided to cut his losses, but at the price of admission of guilt. Odd since more reputable agencies couldn't find anything...
I'm assuming he decided to cut his losses, but at the price of admission of guilt. Odd since more reputable agencies couldn't find anything...
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In this day and age....who is NOT juiced?
Now you have a endurance sport & a man who beat all odds in all walks of his life & won 7 titles in this endurance sport & all of a sudden he's giving up this fight? Something is not right in my view. If he is truly innocent, he's showing how much he doesn't care about his legacy, his inspiration to millions of people or the sport.
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I believe Lance is guilty. Yes, he may have been singled out but if you want the spotlight, you need to handle the glare.
What I will NOT take away from Lance is all the work he has done post-cycling. The $$$ he has raised in the fight with cancer is tremendous...as well as the care he has shown to victims of the disease.
I'm probably the biggest "hater" to cheats...and am usually the first to start the tomato-throwing (i.e. Clemroids and Flaxseed Bonds)...but, in this case, I'm torn. Ultimately, it is just sad...
What I will NOT take away from Lance is all the work he has done post-cycling. The $$$ he has raised in the fight with cancer is tremendous...as well as the care he has shown to victims of the disease.
I'm probably the biggest "hater" to cheats...and am usually the first to start the tomato-throwing (i.e. Clemroids and Flaxseed Bonds)...but, in this case, I'm torn. Ultimately, it is just sad...
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Remember kids: If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
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But, didn't Lance already gone through all the drug tests back then? I thought he pass them, no?
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^^ ...because you pass a drug test back in the day means you were not juiced?!?!?
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That'll be the day when they decide to REALLY do some serious testing in the NFL... All that rage on the field (especially from the linemen) doesn't just come from the love of the game.
But, didn't Lance already gone through all the drug tests back then? I thought he pass them, no?
But, didn't Lance already gone through all the drug tests back then? I thought he pass them, no?
Blah, if this is the sorry state sports is in, I say, just let them all cheat. At least it is a fair field then.
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Lance Armstong's Statement of August 23, 2012
AUSTIN, Texas - August 23rd, 2012 - There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a two-year federal criminal investigation followed by Travis Tygart's unconstitutional witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense.
I had hoped that a federal court would stop USADA’s charade. Although the court was sympathetic to my concerns and recognized the many improprieties and deficiencies in USADA’s motives, its conduct, and its process, the court ultimately decided that it could not intervene.
If I thought for one moment that by participating in USADA’s process, I could confront these allegations in a fair setting and – once and for all – put these charges to rest, I would jump at the chance. But I refuse to participate in a process that is so one-sided and unfair. Regardless of what Travis Tygart says, there is zero physical evidence to support his outlandish and heinous claims. The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?
From the beginning, however, this investigation has not been about learning the truth or cleaning up cycling, but about punishing me at all costs. I am a retired cyclist, yet USADA has lodged charges over 17 years old despite its own 8-year limitation. As respected organizations such as UCI and USA Cycling have made clear, USADA lacks jurisdiction even to bring these charges. The international bodies governing cycling have ordered USADA to stop, have given notice that no one should participate in USADA’s improper proceedings, and have made it clear the pronouncements by USADA that it has banned people for life or stripped them of their accomplishments are made without authority. And as many others, including USADA’s own arbitrators, have found, there is nothing even remotely fair about its process. USADA has broken the law, turned its back on its own rules, and stiff-armed those who have tried to persuade USADA to honor its obligations. At every turn, USADA has played the role of a bully, threatening everyone in its way and challenging the good faith of anyone who questions its motives or its methods, all at U.S. taxpayers’ expense. For the last two months, USADA has endlessly repeated the mantra that there should be a single set of rules, applicable to all, but they have arrogantly refused to practice what they preach. On top of all that, USADA has allegedly made deals with other riders that circumvent their own rules as long as they said I cheated. Many of those riders continue to race today.
The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place by the UCI, WADA and USADA when I raced. The idea that athletes can be convicted today without positive A and B samples, under the same rules and procedures that apply to athletes with positive tests, perverts the system and creates a process where any begrudged ex-teammate can open a USADA case out of spite or for personal gain or a cheating cyclist can cut a sweetheart deal for themselves. It’s an unfair approach, applied selectively, in opposition to all the rules. It’s just not right.
USADA cannot assert control of a professional international sport and attempt to strip my seven Tour de France titles. I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours. We all raced together. For three weeks over the same roads, the same mountains, and against all the weather and elements that we had to confront. There were no shortcuts, there was no special treatment. The same courses, the same rules. The toughest event in the world where the strongest man wins. Nobody can ever change that. Especially not Travis Tygart.
Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'm looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission. Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year old on the planet.
AUSTIN, Texas - August 23rd, 2012 - There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a two-year federal criminal investigation followed by Travis Tygart's unconstitutional witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense.
I had hoped that a federal court would stop USADA’s charade. Although the court was sympathetic to my concerns and recognized the many improprieties and deficiencies in USADA’s motives, its conduct, and its process, the court ultimately decided that it could not intervene.
If I thought for one moment that by participating in USADA’s process, I could confront these allegations in a fair setting and – once and for all – put these charges to rest, I would jump at the chance. But I refuse to participate in a process that is so one-sided and unfair. Regardless of what Travis Tygart says, there is zero physical evidence to support his outlandish and heinous claims. The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?
From the beginning, however, this investigation has not been about learning the truth or cleaning up cycling, but about punishing me at all costs. I am a retired cyclist, yet USADA has lodged charges over 17 years old despite its own 8-year limitation. As respected organizations such as UCI and USA Cycling have made clear, USADA lacks jurisdiction even to bring these charges. The international bodies governing cycling have ordered USADA to stop, have given notice that no one should participate in USADA’s improper proceedings, and have made it clear the pronouncements by USADA that it has banned people for life or stripped them of their accomplishments are made without authority. And as many others, including USADA’s own arbitrators, have found, there is nothing even remotely fair about its process. USADA has broken the law, turned its back on its own rules, and stiff-armed those who have tried to persuade USADA to honor its obligations. At every turn, USADA has played the role of a bully, threatening everyone in its way and challenging the good faith of anyone who questions its motives or its methods, all at U.S. taxpayers’ expense. For the last two months, USADA has endlessly repeated the mantra that there should be a single set of rules, applicable to all, but they have arrogantly refused to practice what they preach. On top of all that, USADA has allegedly made deals with other riders that circumvent their own rules as long as they said I cheated. Many of those riders continue to race today.
The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place by the UCI, WADA and USADA when I raced. The idea that athletes can be convicted today without positive A and B samples, under the same rules and procedures that apply to athletes with positive tests, perverts the system and creates a process where any begrudged ex-teammate can open a USADA case out of spite or for personal gain or a cheating cyclist can cut a sweetheart deal for themselves. It’s an unfair approach, applied selectively, in opposition to all the rules. It’s just not right.
USADA cannot assert control of a professional international sport and attempt to strip my seven Tour de France titles. I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours. We all raced together. For three weeks over the same roads, the same mountains, and against all the weather and elements that we had to confront. There were no shortcuts, there was no special treatment. The same courses, the same rules. The toughest event in the world where the strongest man wins. Nobody can ever change that. Especially not Travis Tygart.
Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'm looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission. Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year old on the planet.
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I believe Lance is guilty. Yes, he may have been singled out but if you want the spotlight, you need to handle the glare.
What I will NOT take away from Lance is all the work he has done post-cycling. The $$$ he has raised in the fight with cancer is tremendous...as well as the care he has shown to victims of the disease.
I'm probably the biggest "hater" to cheats...and am usually the first to start the tomato-throwing (i.e. Clemroids and Flaxseed Bonds)...but, in this case, I'm torn. Ultimately, it is just sad...
What I will NOT take away from Lance is all the work he has done post-cycling. The $$$ he has raised in the fight with cancer is tremendous...as well as the care he has shown to victims of the disease.
I'm probably the biggest "hater" to cheats...and am usually the first to start the tomato-throwing (i.e. Clemroids and Flaxseed Bonds)...but, in this case, I'm torn. Ultimately, it is just sad...
Its about what the facts prove.
That how this country works, thats what sets us apart. Innocent until proven guilty. Give hard proof he is guilty and fine. But until there is no hard proof than what we have here is fluff and sheeple who "believe" and go on nothing more than speculation.
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Its not about what you believe.
Its about what the facts prove.
That how this country works, thats what sets us apart. Innocent until proven guilty. Give hard proof he is guilty and fine. But until there is no hard proof than what we have here is fluff and sheeple who "believe" and go on nothing more than speculation.
Its about what the facts prove.
That how this country works, thats what sets us apart. Innocent until proven guilty. Give hard proof he is guilty and fine. But until there is no hard proof than what we have here is fluff and sheeple who "believe" and go on nothing more than speculation.
USADA maintains that Armstrong has used banned substances as far back as 1996, including the blood-booster EPO and steroids as well as blood transfusions - all to boost his performance.
The 40-year-old Armstrong walked away from the sport in 2011 without being charged following a two-year federal criminal investigation into many of the same accusations he faces from USADA.
The federal probe was closed in February, but USADA announced in June it had evidence Armstrong used banned substances and methods - and encouraged their use by teammates. The agency also said it had blood tests from 2009 and 2010 that were "fully consistent" with blood doping.
Included in USADA's evidence were emails written by Armstrong's former U.S. Postal Service teammate Floyd Landis, who was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France title after a positive drug test. Landis' emails to a USA Cycling official detailed allegations of a complex doping program on the team.
USADA also said it had 10 former Armstrong teammates ready to testify against him. Other than suggesting they include Landis and Tyler Hamilton, both of whom have admitted to doping offenses, the agency has refused to say who they are or specifically what they would say.
The 40-year-old Armstrong walked away from the sport in 2011 without being charged following a two-year federal criminal investigation into many of the same accusations he faces from USADA.
The federal probe was closed in February, but USADA announced in June it had evidence Armstrong used banned substances and methods - and encouraged their use by teammates. The agency also said it had blood tests from 2009 and 2010 that were "fully consistent" with blood doping.
Included in USADA's evidence were emails written by Armstrong's former U.S. Postal Service teammate Floyd Landis, who was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France title after a positive drug test. Landis' emails to a USA Cycling official detailed allegations of a complex doping program on the team.
USADA also said it had 10 former Armstrong teammates ready to testify against him. Other than suggesting they include Landis and Tyler Hamilton, both of whom have admitted to doping offenses, the agency has refused to say who they are or specifically what they would say.
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^which meant that they didn't have it.
I agree with Lance and a few other members here. Lance is not-guilty. The USDA didn't even present ANY bullet-proof evidence yet. All they showed us was speculation. None of his blood-work showed any PEDs or any other drugs.
Also if he really took roids then he'd be dead by now.
I agree with Lance and a few other members here. Lance is not-guilty. The USDA didn't even present ANY bullet-proof evidence yet. All they showed us was speculation. None of his blood-work showed any PEDs or any other drugs.
Also if he really took roids then he'd be dead by now.
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Really? They "claim" to have evidence of one year and they are going after him for 7 years?
Come on dude, we have seen this same shit before.
Again, I'm not imparting my personal beliefs...I'm saying the USADA has nothing and are out on a smear campaign.
Come on dude, we have seen this same shit before.
Again, I'm not imparting my personal beliefs...I'm saying the USADA has nothing and are out on a smear campaign.
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I don't know for a fact that he juiced, but his teammates say he juiced, the USADA says they had blood.......somebody is lying.
So either Lance juiced, and is lying to save his legacy and livelihood.
or
The USADA is framing a world renowned athlete for what reason exactly...
If he was squeaky clean wouldn't the USADA parade this guy around as an example of greatness when you don't dope.....versus....taking an innocent guy down....and again....for what reason?
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So we are to think that he only juiced for one year?
I don't know for a fact that he juiced, but his teammates say he juiced, the USADA says they had blood.......somebody is lying.
So either Lance juiced, and is lying to save his legacy and livelihood.
or
The USADA is framing a world renowned athlete for what reason exactly...
If he was squeaky clean wouldn't the USADA parade this guy around as an example of greatness when you don't dope.....versus....taking an innocent guy down....and again....for what reason?
I don't know for a fact that he juiced, but his teammates say he juiced, the USADA says they had blood.......somebody is lying.
So either Lance juiced, and is lying to save his legacy and livelihood.
or
The USADA is framing a world renowned athlete for what reason exactly...
If he was squeaky clean wouldn't the USADA parade this guy around as an example of greatness when you don't dope.....versus....taking an innocent guy down....and again....for what reason?
Innocent until proven guilty. If Lance did in fact juice than prove it with hard facts. Not testimonies of fellow racers who were busted for juicing and have jealousy or a grudge.
Witnesses dont mean much to me. I had a witness tell cops I was trying to out accelerate and EMT van while making a left in to a gas station before it wrecked into me...Fact was the van whipped around the corner speeding, and the "witness" was pissed because my car spun after the hit and nearly hit her parked POS.
McCarthy had witnesses when he went on a tear to oust communists in the US. Didnt really amount to much did it?
If they have the evidence than present it. Don't just sit on it and tell me you have something in hopes to bolster your case. We all know how much shit can get out of hand, and how many things and stories can now exist thanks to far reach of the internet and that witnesses and expert that live on here.
Again, its not about what you believe. Its about the evidence and facts presented...and at this time there are none. If/When the day comes where that changes than we have a different story.
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You are missing the point.
Innocent until proven guilty. If Lance did in fact juice than prove it with hard facts. Not testimonies of fellow racers who were busted for juicing and have jealousy or a grudge.
Witnesses dont mean much to me. I had a witness tell cops I was trying to out accelerate and EMT van while making a left in to a gas station before it wrecked into me...Fact was the van whipped around the corner speeding, and the "witness" was pissed because my car spun after the hit and nearly hit her parked POS.
McCarthy had witnesses when he went on a tear to oust communists in the US. Didnt really amount to much did it?
If they have the evidence than present it. Don't just sit on it and tell me you have something in hopes to bolster your case. We all know how much shit can get out of hand, and how many things and stories can now exist thanks to far reach of the internet and that witnesses and expert that live on here.
Again, its not about what you believe. Its about the evidence and facts presented...and at this time there are none. If/When the day comes where that changes than we have a different story.
Innocent until proven guilty. If Lance did in fact juice than prove it with hard facts. Not testimonies of fellow racers who were busted for juicing and have jealousy or a grudge.
Witnesses dont mean much to me. I had a witness tell cops I was trying to out accelerate and EMT van while making a left in to a gas station before it wrecked into me...Fact was the van whipped around the corner speeding, and the "witness" was pissed because my car spun after the hit and nearly hit her parked POS.
McCarthy had witnesses when he went on a tear to oust communists in the US. Didnt really amount to much did it?
If they have the evidence than present it. Don't just sit on it and tell me you have something in hopes to bolster your case. We all know how much shit can get out of hand, and how many things and stories can now exist thanks to far reach of the internet and that witnesses and expert that live on here.
Again, its not about what you believe. Its about the evidence and facts presented...and at this time there are none. If/When the day comes where that changes than we have a different story.
If the USADA has absolutely nothing, and if they know it.....then what is their motivation to take down a world renowned athlete, who was the best of the best, who practices the no doping policy that the USADA preaches to a "T".......Why take this guy down? He is a shinning example FOR the USADA.
Why?
What's the conspiracy?
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First hand, eye witness testimony does not amount to evidence in a case?!?!? Since when? Additionally, they had blood as well, no?
If the USADA has absolutely nothing, and if they know it.....then what is their motivation to take down a world renowned athlete, who was the best of the best, who practices the no doping policy that the USADA preaches to a "T".......Why take this guy down? He is a shinning example FOR the USADA.
Why?
What's the conspiracy?
If the USADA has absolutely nothing, and if they know it.....then what is their motivation to take down a world renowned athlete, who was the best of the best, who practices the no doping policy that the USADA preaches to a "T".......Why take this guy down? He is a shinning example FOR the USADA.
Why?
What's the conspiracy?
The people pointing fingers at "communists" were first hand eye witnesses.
Like I said, I dont put a ton of stock in witnesses...it takes more than a talking mouth, who given the right circumstances could be made to say just about anything.
They say they have blood...where are the reports? Where is the evidence? Just show it, stop saying it.
I'll say it again to clarify for you since you keep missing it. Innocent until proven guilty. They have "said" a lot. They haven't proven anything.
None of what I'm arguing has any bearing on what my personal beliefs may or may not be...why? because, innocent until proven guilty.
Otherwise, this is exactly what I said it was, McCarthyism....did he have anything?
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The broad who claimed I was trying to race an EMT van was first hand eyewitness.
The people pointing fingers at "communists" were first hand eye witnesses.
Like I said, I dont put a ton of stock in witnesses...it takes more than a talking mouth, who given the right circumstances could be made to say just about anything.
They say they have blood...where are the reports? Where is the evidence? Just show it, stop saying it.
I'll say it again to clarify for you since you keep missing it. Innocent until proven guilty. They have "said" a lot. They haven't proven anything.
None of what I'm arguing has any bearing on what my personal beliefs may or may not be...why? because, innocent until proven guilty.
Otherwise, this is exactly what I said it was, McCarthyism....did he have anything?
The people pointing fingers at "communists" were first hand eye witnesses.
Like I said, I dont put a ton of stock in witnesses...it takes more than a talking mouth, who given the right circumstances could be made to say just about anything.
They say they have blood...where are the reports? Where is the evidence? Just show it, stop saying it.
I'll say it again to clarify for you since you keep missing it. Innocent until proven guilty. They have "said" a lot. They haven't proven anything.
None of what I'm arguing has any bearing on what my personal beliefs may or may not be...why? because, innocent until proven guilty.
Otherwise, this is exactly what I said it was, McCarthyism....did he have anything?
He has never failed a test.
Anyhow, food for thought here: http://articles.businessinsider.com/...on-clean-rider
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The broad who claimed I was trying to race an EMT van was first hand eyewitness.
The people pointing fingers at "communists" were first hand eye witnesses.
Like I said, I dont put a ton of stock in witnesses...it takes more than a talking mouth, who given the right circumstances could be made to say just about anything.
They say they have blood...where are the reports? Where is the evidence? Just show it, stop saying it.
I'll say it again to clarify for you since you keep missing it. Innocent until proven guilty. They have "said" a lot. They haven't proven anything.
None of what I'm arguing has any bearing on what my personal beliefs may or may not be...why? because, innocent until proven guilty.
Otherwise, this is exactly what I said it was, McCarthyism....did he have anything?
The people pointing fingers at "communists" were first hand eye witnesses.
Like I said, I dont put a ton of stock in witnesses...it takes more than a talking mouth, who given the right circumstances could be made to say just about anything.
They say they have blood...where are the reports? Where is the evidence? Just show it, stop saying it.
I'll say it again to clarify for you since you keep missing it. Innocent until proven guilty. They have "said" a lot. They haven't proven anything.
None of what I'm arguing has any bearing on what my personal beliefs may or may not be...why? because, innocent until proven guilty.
Otherwise, this is exactly what I said it was, McCarthyism....did he have anything?
You don't take much stock in witnesses....that is what "you believe".
It appears you also believe that the witnesses are flat out lying.
Again....your belief.
You have no proof for your beliefs in this case.....nor do I.
...but again I ask this question(s):
If the USADA has absolutely nothing, and if they know it.....then what is their motivation to take down a world renowned athlete, who was the best of the best, who practices the no doping policy that the USADA preaches to a "T".......Why take this guy down? He is a shinning example FOR the USADA.
Why?
What's the conspiracy?
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Hey Dave...given your sentiments on the innocent-until-proven-guilty, would you say that Barry Bonds did not take PEDs?
He has never failed a test.
Anyhow, food for thought here: http://articles.businessinsider.com/...on-clean-rider
He has never failed a test.
Anyhow, food for thought here: http://articles.businessinsider.com/...on-clean-rider
Look, where there is smoke there is usually fire.
I understand Dave's beliefs that he is innocent...nobody wants to see "a good guy go down".....but you would have to believe in a grand conspiracy by so many people and agencies, are all working together to take down Lance.
...again WHY?
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Senior Moderator
...but a "witness" said that....so we can take ZERO stock in that.
Look, where there is smoke there is usually fire.
I understand Dave's beliefs that he is innocent...nobody wants to see "a good guy go down".....but you would have to believe in a grand conspiracy by so many people and agencies, are all working together to take down Lance.
...again WHY?
Look, where there is smoke there is usually fire.
I understand Dave's beliefs that he is innocent...nobody wants to see "a good guy go down".....but you would have to believe in a grand conspiracy by so many people and agencies, are all working together to take down Lance.
...again WHY?
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Senior Moderator
This is Lance Armstrong. The guy who BEAT cancer...the guy who said F-U to that disease and came back to ride. A guy who won all those titles...
For him to raise his hands on potential "slander" from the USDA and all the "haters"...? Makes zero sense to me...This is why I think it is an admission of guilt.
For him to raise his hands on potential "slander" from the USDA and all the "haters"...? Makes zero sense to me...This is why I think it is an admission of guilt.
#39
The sizzle in the Steak
I agree....7 titles, your entire life and legacy at risk.....I would think he would fight to the death....if you will.
Does not make sense to me either.
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