So far I've seen only one on the road that is not mine, in north Austin. Dealer seems to have plenty in stock. I hear stories of the car not moving here on this forum but how widespread is this? I mean, is Acura and Honda really having a hard time moving these cars? What about the Lyric?

 

Yes. I am seeing the Lyriq in my area but zero ZDX so far. There's a fire sale on the ZDX right now and I expect prices to go even lower. EVs are taking a major hit and Ford has announced that they are going to stop production for now and focus on hybrids: https://www.thecooldown.com/green-bu...factory-shift/

I have also read that EV insurance rates are spiking (they were already more expensive to begin with) so that is not going to help the situation either.

 

Same; I see a lot of Lyrics, some Blazers, and some Equinoxes, but only one Prologue and no ZDX. This is in California, so we don’t see many GM products to begin with. I’ve seen more Solterra and BZ4X lately, so perhaps with the steep steep price cuts folks looking for a deal will start getting into the Prologue and ZDX too. God knows for all their deficiencies, these cars are still better than the Toyota/Subaru twins.

 

The Lyriq is always going to sell better seeing as how being a GM product isn’t a liability for those who are already shopping for a GM car. Plus, it’s cheaper, looks less polarizing, and has a more luxurious interior. The Cadillac dealership experience is also superior, at least around here where the Acura experience is almost the same as Honda.

Acura sold almost 700 ZDX in July, which is honestly more than I expected, but I have no idea where those sales are coming from. I have yet to see one in California, and dealerships are bursting at the seams with them. Sherman Oaks Acura had 118 ZDXs earlier this month, and they’re now up to 122. That is not a typo; they have over 100 of them in inventory. Can’t helps but wonder if most of those sales so far are fleet cars for their execs or something

 

Removing this until I actually have more solid information.

 

Previously I said I saw a blue one but it was at the dealership outdoors. I think they sold ?300 but only made 3,000? Something like that , maybe futuristic design not appealing to buyers so it’s happening all over again just like our ZDX generation. What don’t get is the disrespect I see online when I would search for ZDX questions on how to or parts etc and I look up and google changed it to MDX !!🫤

I was leaving post office yesterday and a lady said to me “ Oh ! That’s a good looking car “ so we know in 2010 buyers did not care for the design and car had low sales but now that same design draws attention and gets compliments. so I’m not sure if Acura screwed this up a bit or Americans taste is kinda conservative or peoples acceptance is a 10 year delay of future design ? I hope sales increase because Acura makes great cars and new ZDX looks cool! Not my taste completely but it still looks very modern and cool looking.
Acura sedans don’t do well either but most sedans not selling due to customers like SUV’s. Maybe due to its electric and not everyone on board buying electric Unless its a Tesla 😂

 

My dealer had 26 and I was the first one that they sold. I've never seen another one on the road but do see quite a bit of Lyriqs. I've had the car for a few days now and really like it. Its nice that no one else has it right now either.

 

Wow you’re one of very few ! It looks like car that if you are at a stop light people would stare. I saw Lyriq car ! Looks nice and guess ZDX and that car has the long type look and I admit they look great in person. When I got in the new ZDX with white seats and black stripe I think , boy that interior nice !! Enjoy !

 

I've seen a second one in my area now. So at least 3 near me.

And regarding my cryptic post above, the "solid information" I needed was my dealer making a paperwork error causing banks to not purchase the lease. That has been cleared up. So we still have the car and still on the lease.

We got a fantastic deal on our lease. We are one payment in. We are considering paying off the lease and the residual right now. Between the lease incentives and the money saved on interest during the lease we will have got the car at $15k under MSRP. At this point I'm not sure I care about "protecting resale value in 3 years". And for that matter I'm no longer concerned about CCS versus NACS plug or access. (Because frankly, I think the industry has been Musked. Everyone says "we will move to your plug" and then Elon fires the whole division necessary to make that happen, and meanwhile people hold off buying a CCS-port car until the NACS version arrives next year).

 

I wouldn't do that. EV used car values are tanking rapidly so you wouldn't have much to gain. And is there a prepay penalty in the contract?

 

No prepayment penalty. We normally keep cars for 8 years or so. We also normally buy cars, sometimes outright. We only leased this one because it was by far the cheapest way to acquire the car.

 

Looks like 3 year old Teslas are going for about half of new. Which is a big hit. (I traded my 2018 Accord for slightly over half of MSRP, by comparison). My lease has residual at 50% as well. I'm buying it at $15k off sticker if I pay off the lease today however.

Do you see these cars tanking faster than 50% in 3 years? If so let's discuss why. Thanks.

 

Yes because advancements in EV tech moves fast, and in 3 years time this car is going to be outdated (moreso than it even is right now). People who are buying EVs are more tech-forward than the general buying public, so a premium is placed on cutting edge tech. Plus this is priced as a luxury cars, and we all know luxury cars depreciate at a faster rate than mainstream cars. Case in point, an EQS depreciates about 50% after just one year. I'd be absolutely shocked if a ZDX still retains 50% of its value in 3 years.

 

Way to make me regret this purchase.

 

Well it's a good thing you leased it and didn't buy it. Until the tech begins to flatten out, I wouldn't buy with cash any of these other than a Tesla, mainly because they are pretty cheap after the 7500 tax incentive.

 

I have an A-Spec. So no self driving capabilities in this car. And my main entertainment interface is CarPlay. About the only real tech I can see improving is getting SC access, which would simply need an OTA software update and an adaptor. What am I missing?

What, for example, can a new Tesla do that a 3-year-old Tesla not do?

The only real advancement I can see coming that would REALLY move the needle on the market is going to be a big bump in batteries. Like, double the range at the same charging time. But I've been hearing about batteries for YEARS now and nothing has changed. (ditto for robotaxis too of course!). What am I missing?

 

The improvements for the new Model 3 is somewhat incremental over the outgoing one, but that's largely because the tech was already pretty far ahead to begin with.

Some of the things off the top of my head that the Lyriq/ZDX is missing would be things like V2L and 800V architecture. In 3 years time though, I would expect for EVs to be more efficient, have better range, charger faster, and be faster. All these type of things make the older ones less valuablem, even if the range isn't being doubled. Think of the value of an iPhone 14 vs iPhone 15. The 15 isn't twice as good as the 14, but once it comes out the 14 price drops significantly.

 

Sure, my car will be worth less in 3 years. Under 50% less? I mean, that is already a steep depreciation for a car (my Accord took twice as long to lose half its value). Early on EV's got noticeably better over time because they had a long way to go. I think the pace of innovation is actually slowing, not accelerating. Besides, mainstreams buyers are going to see these as CARS, not as "computers on wheels" that early adopters seem to think they are.

I'll grant some better tech in a Tesla. But ride quality? Awful. Build quality? Ditto. Comfort? All those things other people do better and matter to most car buyers.

 

That's fine, but at the end of the day it's going to depreciate more than 50% in 3 years. There's no two ways around it. Just because you like it doesn't mean it's not going to depreciate like a rock. Look at other comparable cars for comparison. BMW iX, Audi E-Tron, etc. Or heck, look at a 1 year old Lyriq. I can get this for $38K with only 6K miles on it. MSRP was $62K. Almost 40% depreciation after year 1. Why would we expect the mechanically identical ZDX to be any different?

 

Right now anything above $70k except for Polestar 3 and Porsches have ~$20k+ combined discount. With that, the depreciation numbers are skewed. Using ZDX Type-S as an example, the cost of ownership if buying out a lease now is $6-7k per year, which is pretty reasonable IMHO.

Then, in terms of powertrain technology, EV is progressing at a fast pace, but it still takes years to see double-digit capacity improvement . The best-case scenario would be solid-state, which promises 100% capacity improvement. But almost everyone, except for Chinese makers, got off the PR bandwagon because scaling SS production to automotive level turned out to be mightly difficult. In the shorter term, silicon-rich anode will increase capacity followed by lithium-metal anode. On the other dimension of cost, dry cathode and the removal of module packaging will bring the cost down. Non-Tesla manufacturers are targeting 2027-2028 at the earliest to bring dry cathode and silicone anode into volume production. So the li-ion battery that we have today is staying with us (with only incremental improvements) longer than the media suggested.

At the end of the day, these EVs are still cars. The most important thing about long-term ownership is reliability and repairability. With GM behind ZDX, we know part availability will not be an issue nor the price. However, if I were you, I would make the early buyout decision only after seeing through the MY25 OTA update. There are still occasional hiccups throughout the electronics, especially the imaging processing unit on Type-S. I would like to see GM taming down the electronics before making any long-term commitment.

 

First of all, MY23 Lyriq tend to have more electronics issues than MY24. Secondly, with ~$20k on the hood, that $62k Lyriq can be had brand new for $42k. Why buy a used and potentially problematic MY23?

Not to support the unlikely theory that ZDX/Prologue used price will hold better than GM, but so far looks like whatever magic sauce Honda decided to put in, it worked. ZDX/Prologue have fewer electronic issues than Lyriq/Blazer, other than the horrible AcuraLink through OnStar implementation.

 

Yes. In addition to what some of the others have said batteries degrade and are very expensive to replace. EVs can eat up tires too. And if insurance costs continue to rise on them (and I think that they will) this all adds up to tanking values over time.