Russell Peters

Hey everyone. I've been driving manual cars ever since I was 14, and I feel like a new learner every time I get in the TL. For the life of me, I cannot get consistent shifts from 1st to 2nd, and the clutch just feels so damn weird. I know it isn't just the one I bought because I've driven 2 other 6spd TLs, and they felt the same.

After doing some research here, it seems that this is a common issue, and people have suggested that it's good to remove the clutch delay valve. Is that the whole reason this clutch is so weird and why I can't drive smoothly? I really love every other aspect of this car, and it was an incredible value. But the clutch is just annoying as hell, especially when I wanna do some quick accelerations.

Will it feel like a normal manual if I do this?

sockr1

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Will make it feel more normal yes. But it will always feel a little different because it's a self adjusting clutch. I'd still recommend removing the slave cylinder check valve it's super easy

justnspace

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other than learning how to wrench on your baby, what do you have to lose?


and I can't wait till my OEM set dies!!!! I'm going upgrade to an awesome light weight flywheel and conventional clutch!!! ::

97'CL2.2

The delay vale will help...but the sac is def the bigger problem. Mine still engages as a "moving target"

what setup are you looking at? I think I'm going to go w the xlr8 kit after a good amount of research.

justnspace

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that's EXACTLY the one I want!
XLR8 kit


and I fuggin hate the OEM clutch! engagement moves during different parts of the drive. cold, it feels SUPER AWESOME! then as I drive more and more and heats up, the engagement point moves...

thoiboi

You should talk to @Undying Dreams about his experience with that kit

justnspace

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I dont believe he has that kit. he has some other stupid setup. (he took over a car with a stupid crazy set up, to begin with...so, whatever he's fighting has to stem from the original setup, in my opinion)

my bro evilvirus running the XLR8 successfully .
@EvilVirus
you are running it successfully, right?

EvilVirus

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^ Yes sir I have been meaning to stop by but life and work you know

97'CL2.2

I'm about to pull the trigger on the dd stage 2 setup for my j36. I haven't seen a single person that has said anything bad, but then again the data pool isn't huge. I was also wondering if I could use my dmf and swap an unsprung disc in lieu of the sprung disc that comes w the kit...anyone know for sure? The main thing I am after is the pp, bc I want the self adjusting pp gone badly

justnspace

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^as far as I know, it's either or...you cant have DMF and a sprung disk set up...(i'm likely confusing the terms sprung and unsprung) but I remember reading that it's one or the other..as in...it wont be compatible.

97'CL2.2

You were correct with your terms. Searching through the archives and calling xlr8 directly has yielded only "that's the kit we sell and you can use it with the stock dmf". I'm not comfortable with this. They were unable to substitute an unsprung disc and wouldn't even recommend a compatible replacement if I paid for it. The only question mark in my mind is finding a compatible unsprung clutch disc to use w the pp. if I can find nothing I might order the whole xlr8 kit and take a bunch of measurements of the sprung disc to compare it to another unsprung disc. I'd rather not b the guinea pig, but since no one seems to have any answers I might b the guy.

Undying Dreams

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I have the XLR8 Daily setup for my Type-S. It's currently having pressure plate issues where it is not making full contact, causing the clutch to slip.

Dealing with XLR8 has been a nightmare. I absolutely do not recommend dealing with them.

justnspace

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^I have no problems with XLR8..they have great customer service, as they respond to complaints.

I read your thread and it happens in the auto industry ALL the time. parts are misnamed.. part numbers change...Honda is a big culprit with this...Changes part number but doesnt update computers...so then, you get customers waiting...
happens all the time in the auto industry..
I've been in two incidents where the shops were waiting on HONDA. no one else, but HONDA.
a lot can happen between manufacture, distribution, dealers, and customers. there's at least 4 chain links right there that things can go wrong



I still believe you took over some one's crappy clutch job and are dealing with the first issues.
because Evil virus and a few others do not have ANY ISSUES.

97'CL2.2

did tou you install this kit yourself or buy it already installed? How many miles on the kit? I'll read ur thread if u can link it here for me.

justnspace

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initial thread..taking over a modded car
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-p...wanted-949727/

then replaced clutch with xlr8
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-p...nosing-954276/

EvilVirus

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Hey Austin, have you adjusted the clutch pedal? I notice when I lowered the engagement point too low it was slipping almost like that.

GreenSpades

The OEM setup sure is weird. Mine still has the check valve and I have gotten used to it being there and expecting the car to basically shift slower than I do, well for lack of a better term. I can see why Acura did it, because if you let the clutch out too fast as a newb would then it helps prevent stalling and smooths out the launch. I just worry about burning up the clutch needlessly from this thing doing a hill start or something. I am super concious about this and I believe my car is on the original clutch. Not sure, but when I got it the car had 128,000 and ive added another 25,000 to that.

I cant ever fully anticipate this thing though, between the changing feedback, the varying valve check pressure, the dual mass flywheel, the fluid feel changing between temps, and the self adjusting clutch you just never know. That said I can drive it pretty well in spite of all that and you just learn to predict how it feels on the go. I have been driving manual trans as my daily for over ten years so its not me. None of my other cars felt like this thing. All very direct inputs in Honda Accord, Mazda RX7, Nissan Sentra, and Dodge Neon SRT4.

Majofo

Sending the wrong part.. it happens (although it shouldn't for a small time shop).
Being petty to the customer like they're trying to pull a fast one, even though the shop is the one who fucked up... please.

Majofo

Russell Peters.. somebody gonna get a hurt real bad..

justnspace

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^oh, i didnt read that...i must have skipped that part.

I did drive Evil_Virus car this weekend....
I didnt get on it because I suck at driving and didnt want to burn his brand new XLR8 Clutch......

i did get the feel for it, feels better than OEM. likely the route i'll go

WDPanda

I recently had some free time and decided to see what all the hype was about. Definitely makes a difference. Clutch pedal feel is "normal" now. Will do some high rpm Highway shifts to confirm.
The c clip was a PITA. I dont know how you all did it. I caved and filed off the side a bit to get leverage on the clip it was out in 1 min from there. Use an allen key to push out the cap because my pliers didn't want to grab.

sockr1

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^^ haha I took a dremel to it and made a deep enough slot to get a screwdriver under it. Huge pain

WDPanda

im also a recent GMSMFM convert. Damn this fluid is really magic. Lol. Im an OEM kinda guy but shit. The only thing is the honda fluid gives you a more mechanical feel vs the GM smooth.

EvilVirus

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I used picks to remove the c clip

Panda are you running oem clutch or aftermarket?

sockr1

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it really is man. i change mine every 30k and this fluid is seriously magic...i don't know why people wouldn't put it in haha

thisaznboi88

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WDPanda

I am on OEM clutch. I changed out my clutch recently because of the high rpm hard pedal. I did the slave mod at the same time with a new cylinder so now I won't be able to tell if it was the pressure plate that was infact causing sticky pedal. The friction disk still had lots of meat and the flywheel/pressure plate surfaces we not bad at all. I change my MTF every year and a half with honda stuff but this time around went GM to see what the fuss was.