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Old 05-14-2008, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jokerunm
Pay attention to the tach....gets pretty boring. My foot is flat on the floor for the length of the video. The needle kept moving(pulling) until it gets close to 130 and its where the tach stops dead cold at 5250 RPM.



You got to add 1.3% because of the tire size difference from stock to my aspecs. So 131-132 on the speedo is more like 133-134 actual speed. Don't know what all of you guys have on, but if the diameter of your wheels is different from stock then actual speed(well as measured by Acura anyway) is going to be off.
5250 huh? Interesting.

Could be coincidence but:

(Torque x Engine Speed) / 5252 (RPM) = Horsepower

Tq and Hp will always intersect at 5252 on a dyno chart.
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Originally Posted by vinnier6
i dont know for sure, but if he was floored and the car didnt have enough power to reach redline in 4th, then it wouldnt matter if he shiffted to 5th...in theory, the car would be slower in 5th....
Another way of thinking about it is maybe the car has enough power to reach 134mph in 4th gear and 5th gear. If that is the case the RPM could stop at 5250 on the tach in 4th @ 134mph or at a lower RPM in 5th gear @ 134mph.

So maybe 134mph in 4th gear is 5250 RPM.

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The car should have enough power, Acura was too lazy to change the speed governor or they think that going at any higher speeds could easily damage the engine/tranny
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Originally Posted by korrupted
The car should have enough power, Acura was too lazy to change the speed governor or they think that going at any higher speeds could easily damage the engine/tranny
I vote for lazy.

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I vote for lazy.

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2 Votes for Lazy.
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3 votes for lazy. +1 +1...





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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
The vid shows "4" in the SS gear box. I don't think 5th would've mattered.

What's odd is that is does not appear to act like a fuel cutoff.

In TL4play's video's when he hits the top speed limiter, the car actually stops supplying fuel for a second and then re-engages when the speed drops back from the max. That was true in his 6th gear also, even though he was only running ~5,500 rpm.

What that video looks like is that the car is running very smoothly, with no ECU/ECM interference, at 130 MPH. Maybe it's in the vid and I just missed it. How did it feel jokerunm?

How do the other trim/year Auto's feel/act when they hit the speed limiter? Is a smooth, the car won't go any faster feeling or a jerky, the car just cut off the gas feeling?
That's what I've been saying all along. It doesn't feel like a fuel cutoff at all. In my 07 MDX, there definitely is a fuel cutoff....you hit the governor, the tach falls off the face of earth and the whole vehicle lurches....very uncomfortable feeling.

With AUTO TLS, no such behavior.......it's just limiting the RPM......somehow....again RPM keeps moving until 5250 then just stops.....so it's limiting the output of the engine so it can't pull anymore.......a governor without fuel cutoff?

Why the limit on the RL?....the RL comes stock with V-rated tires...so it should be good to 149.
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Chances are something to do with the AWD... Thats my guess.

Originally Posted by jokerunm
That's what I've been saying all along. It doesn't feel like a fuel cutoff at all. In my 07 MDX, there definitely is a fuel cutoff....you hit the governor, the tach falls off the face of earth and the whole vehicle lurches....very uncomfortable feeling.

With AUTO TLS, no such behavior.......it's just limiting the RPM......somehow....again RPM keeps moving until 5250 then just stops.....so it's limiting the output of the engine so it can't pull anymore.......a governor without fuel cutoff?

Why the limit on the RL?....the RL comes stock with V-rated tires...so it should be good to 149.
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We certainly need to find an issue. A Subaru STI I ran into tonight on my way home was further evidence of the need for more speed. But to end things on a happy note at least we were neck and neck up until that 134mph point. He was pulling on my slightly though. But I am still stock so

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Oops I meant solution to this issue. My fingers can't keep up with my jumbled thoughts.

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Originally Posted by don5504
Oops I meant solution to this issue. My fingers can't keep up with my jumbled thoughts.

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Hey Don, I met with this fellow on cardomain that has a type s and he says he got a ECU reflash done. Here's what he wrote me, "hey,well its a place over here called hank and sons auto in feasterville,if ya want, the number is 215 357 9998..they can tell ya more." So try calling them. I haven't had the time to call them yet but I will in the near future. Try them and let everyone know what they say. Just an idea.
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Originally Posted by dr_brains510
Hey Don, I met with this fellow on cardomain that has a type s and he says he got a ECU reflash done. Here's what he wrote me, "hey,well its a place over here called hank and sons auto in feasterville,if ya want, the number is 215 357 9998..they can tell ya more." So try calling them. I haven't had the time to call them yet but I will in the near future. Try them and let everyone know what they say. Just an idea.
I will be doing so first thing in the morning while at work. Thanks I'll share what info I get.

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has anyone checked with the rl forum to see if there is a fix or something that can be done....
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Called them today. Said they couldn't do anything for the auto. Maybe the person who originally went there could give some more info?

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Originally Posted by vinnier6
has anyone checked with the rl forum to see if there is a fix or something that can be done....
I did a little searching myself and doesn't seem like there is much they can do for it either.

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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=108775

Spoon has modified an Acura RL. Do they even have a distributor or anything of the sort state side?

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Originally Posted by don5504
We certainly need to find an issue. A Subaru STI I ran into tonight on my way home was further evidence of the need for more speed. But to end things on a happy note at least we were neck and neck up until that 134mph point. He was pulling on my slightly though. But I am still stock so

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And your car's a 5AT.....stock? Not to rain on your parade, but he must not have been making much boost or something, or it was a regular WRX with a wing on it.
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And your car's a 5AT.....stock? Not to rain on your parade, but he must not have been making much boost or something, or it was a regular WRX with a wing on it.
Did I forget to mention we were neck and neck because he was stuck behind me? lol Anyways he certainly would of spanked me if circumstances had been different (like me tailing him).

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Originally Posted by korrupted
Actually had a very lengthy conversation with someone at the Cali location. Even told me that they have the equipment to modify their RL that they race. But won't do it for anyone else. Maybe some of you Cali people need to stop by and convince them to change their mind.

Maybe perhaps get an idea of what kind of equipment is being used to do this. Maybe its strickly Honda stuff or maybe its some kind of aftermarket stuff we as consumers can get a hold of.

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Ok this is pretty much my last hope on finding a solution.

http://forum.pgmfi.org/index.php?sid...3b699670bc5409

Its a forum dedicated to Honda ECU's and cracking them. Just found the forum so hopefully something can be found out there.

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Damn, I'd be scared to shit doing 130 MPH. The highest I've hit was 100 MPH, and that was only once. You have a lot of guts and courage.
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Originally Posted by don5504
Is there really a need to purchase a $30K+ car? Is there really a need to purchase a Ferrari or go on Vacation? Is there really a need? No but I still want to.

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Here, Here...speed is great, AND it can be done safely, so dont take it there!
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Just knowing that if one day, I decide to run from the cops, being able to go faster than 134 would be a nice ability to have in my car.

Seriously though, I'm pissed too knowing that my car is limited at ~130 and the base TL isn't. I'll probably take it up to there no more than five times in the three years I'll have the car, but when I do I'd like to take the car to its full potential and not have it cut off.
I hear ya!....sometimes I like to run it up there myself !...the TL does have some tall gearing!.....I easliy could out un the cop's in my chipped 98' ITR but not there radio!!!
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
I don't either. Assuming it is proven to be electronically/ECU limited to 135-ish I do find it mildy annoying/irritating ( ) that of ALL the 3G TL/TL-S trims, ONLY the TL-S 5AT is limited to at that lower speed.

I mean, WTF?? It's like I got gipped.

Even though I'll probably never need it. Even though I've only been over (slighlty) 100 mph once. Even though if I track the car it's unlikely to have a straight long enough to get over 135. Even though .... .




(".... Assuming it is proven to be electronically/ECU limited to 135-ish ...." .

No that is NOT a flame or an arguement, etc. You have an excellent theory (TL/RL) and are building/have built a solid experimental base to support that theory. The last thing to put this to bed once and for all, to prove the theory beyond all doubt, is to "hack" the ECU and see what the limiter is actually set at.)
maybe COMPTECH will come out with a chipped ECU? ...I personally think the 5AT will do more, just give it some leg room, about 2-4 miles, do about 60-70, down-shift to 3rd ,and just watch it pull, just keepand eye on the redline & coolant temp!
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Looks like my only solution will be putting myself into a different car. I found a 07 G35 with 12k miles on it journey, navi, and sport and think I might be able to get an even trade for it so my payments stay the same. Hmmmmmm damn you lazy acura engineers.

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Would a stand alone engine management system work? If so would all instruments in the clusters still work also? So many more questions if that is an option. But I imagine a very expensive one too so it may not be worth it.

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here is what my solution is, wire an 06 tl ecu... if your car is auto the only thing you will be losing is the paddle shifters and the slightly more aggresive shifts...

the tune is a bit different and should still function accordingly but I'd do a piggyback to go with it just to be safe
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Originally Posted by don5504
Looks like my only solution will be putting myself into a different car. I found a 07 G35 with 12k miles on it journey, navi, and sport and think I might be able to get an even trade for it so my payments stay the same. Hmmmmmm damn you lazy acura engineers.

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Are you serious? You're really going to trade in your car for those 20 extra mph?

I'm sorry but that's just retarded.
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https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1878445

By all reports I've seen/read, the TL/TL-S is electronically limited around 150 - 155.[/QUOTE]


i can vouch for that statement i got mine up to 150 and there was more to go
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I'm planning to get a brand new '08 G35 Sport Sedan 6MT too. Whup'in some @$$.... It's not only about high speed but having better accelerations. I have absolutely no problem with my '06 6MT TL other than the 3rd gear problem and poor build quality, fit and finish. Handling is good. Engine sound is great, great power. But it's time to move on to something serious.


HEY don5504 are you planning to get the AUTO or 6MT? c'mon...c'mon man 6MT!! Forget your wife. 6MT IS THE PRIORITY!!!!!! A MAXIMUM LOL!!!



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Are you serious? You're really going to trade in your car for those 20 extra mph?

I'm sorry but that's just retarded.
Well the only way I would really consider it is if I can basically get them to do an even swap. The way I see it is they are still getting the better deal due to me knowing what they got the car for and knowing how much my car is worth they may actually entertain the idea. Its probably still a long shot but why not I won't pay anymore in taxes.

To the guy about the 06 ecu that may or may not work. I'll look into it when I have some time. But its been discussed that the 07 uses a modified rl transmission and ecu. But I was interested in seeing if the base 07-08 tl were also limited in the same fashion. If not that may be a solution iirc it also uses a modified version of the rl transmission which was new for the 07-08 model years. I may be mistaken though.

And to manual transmission about the 6mt.....HA I just may.

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Originally Posted by TANE
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1878445

By all reports I've seen/read, the TL/TL-S is electronically limited around 150 - 155.


i can vouch for that statement i got mine up to 150 and there was more to go
Just because some TL/TL-S did 150-155 mph doesn't mean all TL-S cars will get the same top speed. There are variations, due to speed limiters on the ECU. ACURA changed it!! Of course yours would go faster because yours is one of those that have speed limiter set to 150+. I suggest you read the entire thread here before jumping into conclusions.

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Just because some TL/TL-S did 150-155 mph doesn't mean all TL-S cars will get the same top speed. There are variations, due to speed limiters on the ECU. ACURA changed it!! Of course yours would go faster because yours is one of those that have speed limiter set to 150+. I suggest you read the entire thread here before jumping into conclusions.

Probably a 6mt is why he could do it.

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^ His is an '06 model. I bet he is an Auto too. Potential top speed = 155 mph.

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Just because some TL/TL-S did 150-155 mph doesn't mean all TL-S cars will get the same top speed. There are variations, due to speed limiters on the ECU. ACURA changed it!! Of course yours would go faster because yours is one of those that have speed limiter set to 150+. I suggest you read the entire thread here before jumping into conclusions.


sorry for the confusion part of my last post is a quote from Bearcat94 that he posted on the first page i was just adding from my experiences.
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sorry for the confusion part of my last post is a quote from Bearcat94 that he posted on the first page i was just adding from my experiences.

FWIW - the articles I was refering to were R&T or C&D tests and all of those (AFAIK) were either MT or pre-'07.

From everything posted here, all the MT and pre-'07 had the limiter set at ~150. Consistent with the published information.

Also, based on posts here, ONLY the 2007 & 2008 TL-S 5AT are limited at ~135.

What is the word on 2007/2008 NON Type-S top speed?


( I am still in denial :wtf: )
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=108775

Spoon has modified an Acura RL. Do they even have a distributor or anything of the sort state side?

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I read that, it was pretty amazing what they did with a RL, using stock breaks and only minor ECU tuning (using stock air box also!). Also surprised how much weight they shaved off two-ton vehicle.
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Originally Posted by don5504
Looks like my only solution will be putting myself into a different car. I found a 07 G35 with 12k miles on it journey, navi, and sport and think I might be able to get an even trade for it so my payments stay the same. Hmmmmmm damn you lazy acura engineers.

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I'm thinking an M3 myself!....later on down the road!
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I read that, it was pretty amazing what they did with a RL, using stock breaks and only minor ECU tuning (using stock air box also!). Also surprised how much weight they shaved off two-ton vehicle.
They have the equipment to do what it takes to race that thing but said they won't or can't for customers. I have contacted pretty much everyone I know and have come up with nothing. I am still waiting on responses from a couple of people but I doubt it will be positive.

Honestly I am probably just going to keep the car because it is the most sound financial decision. My sensibility is over riding the passion inside of me. But don't think for a min that I have forgotten about this or will not continue to search for a solution.

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