Top Speed of stock 07 TL type-s 5at is 132-133mph
05-14-2008, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jokerunm
Pay attention to the tach....gets pretty boring. My foot is flat on the floor for the length of the video. The needle kept moving(pulling) until it gets close to 130 and its where the tach stops dead cold at 5250 RPM.
You got to add 1.3% because of the tire size difference from stock to my aspecs. So 131-132 on the speedo is more like 133-134 actual speed. Don't know what all of you guys have on, but if the diameter of your wheels is different from stock then actual speed(well as measured by Acura anyway) is going to be off.
You got to add 1.3% because of the tire size difference from stock to my aspecs. So 131-132 on the speedo is more like 133-134 actual speed. Don't know what all of you guys have on, but if the diameter of your wheels is different from stock then actual speed(well as measured by Acura anyway) is going to be off.
Could be coincidence but:
(Torque x Engine Speed) / 5252 (RPM) = Horsepower
Tq and Hp will always intersect at 5252 on a dyno chart.
05-14-2008, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vinnier6
i dont know for sure, but if he was floored and the car didnt have enough power to reach redline in 4th, then it wouldnt matter if he shiffted to 5th...in theory, the car would be slower in 5th....
So maybe 134mph in 4th gear is 5250 RPM.
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05-14-2008, 03:35 PM
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The car should have enough power, Acura was too lazy to change the speed governor or they think that going at any higher speeds could easily damage the engine/tranny
05-14-2008, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by korrupted
The car should have enough power, Acura was too lazy to change the speed governor or they think that going at any higher speeds could easily damage the engine/tranny
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05-14-2008, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by don5504
I vote for lazy.
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05-14-2008, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
The vid shows "4" in the SS gear box. I don't think 5th would've mattered.
What's odd is that is does not appear to act like a fuel cutoff.
In TL4play's video's when he hits the top speed limiter, the car actually stops supplying fuel for a second and then re-engages when the speed drops back from the max. That was true in his 6th gear also, even though he was only running ~5,500 rpm.
What that video looks like is that the car is running very smoothly, with no ECU/ECM interference, at 130 MPH. Maybe it's in the vid and I just missed it. How did it feel jokerunm?
How do the other trim/year Auto's feel/act when they hit the speed limiter? Is a smooth, the car won't go any faster feeling or a jerky, the car just cut off the gas feeling?
What's odd is that is does not appear to act like a fuel cutoff.
In TL4play's video's when he hits the top speed limiter, the car actually stops supplying fuel for a second and then re-engages when the speed drops back from the max. That was true in his 6th gear also, even though he was only running ~5,500 rpm.
What that video looks like is that the car is running very smoothly, with no ECU/ECM interference, at 130 MPH. Maybe it's in the vid and I just missed it. How did it feel jokerunm?
How do the other trim/year Auto's feel/act when they hit the speed limiter? Is a smooth, the car won't go any faster feeling or a jerky, the car just cut off the gas feeling?
With AUTO TLS, no such behavior.......it's just limiting the RPM......somehow....again RPM keeps moving until 5250 then just stops.....so it's limiting the output of the engine so it can't pull anymore.......a governor without fuel cutoff?
Why the limit on the RL?....the RL comes stock with V-rated tires...so it should be good to 149.
05-14-2008, 06:00 PM
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Chances are something to do with the AWD... Thats my guess.
Originally Posted by jokerunm
That's what I've been saying all along. It doesn't feel like a fuel cutoff at all. In my 07 MDX, there definitely is a fuel cutoff....you hit the governor, the tach falls off the face of earth and the whole vehicle lurches....very uncomfortable feeling.
With AUTO TLS, no such behavior.......it's just limiting the RPM......somehow....again RPM keeps moving until 5250 then just stops.....so it's limiting the output of the engine so it can't pull anymore.......a governor without fuel cutoff?
Why the limit on the RL?....the RL comes stock with V-rated tires...so it should be good to 149.
With AUTO TLS, no such behavior.......it's just limiting the RPM......somehow....again RPM keeps moving until 5250 then just stops.....so it's limiting the output of the engine so it can't pull anymore.......a governor without fuel cutoff?
Why the limit on the RL?....the RL comes stock with V-rated tires...so it should be good to 149.
05-14-2008, 06:24 PM
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We certainly need to find an issue. A Subaru STI I ran into tonight on my way home was further evidence of the need for more speed. But to end things on a happy note at least we were neck and neck up until that 134mph point. He was pulling on my slightly though. But I am still stock so 
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05-14-2008, 09:07 PM
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Oops I meant solution to this issue. My fingers can't keep up with my jumbled thoughts.
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05-14-2008, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dr_brains510
Hey Don, I met with this fellow on cardomain that has a type s and he says he got a ECU reflash done. Here's what he wrote me, "hey,well its a place over here called hank and sons auto in feasterville,if ya want, the number is 215 357 9998..they can tell ya more." So try calling them. I haven't had the time to call them yet but I will in the near future. Try them and let everyone know what they say. Just an idea.
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05-15-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by vinnier6
has anyone checked with the rl forum to see if there is a fix or something that can be done....
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05-15-2008, 03:08 PM
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=108775
Spoon has modified an Acura RL. Do they even have a distributor or anything of the sort state side?
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Spoon has modified an Acura RL. Do they even have a distributor or anything of the sort state side?
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05-15-2008, 03:20 PM
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05-15-2008, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by don5504
We certainly need to find an issue. A Subaru STI I ran into tonight on my way home was further evidence of the need for more speed. But to end things on a happy note at least we were neck and neck up until that 134mph point. He was pulling on my slightly though. But I am still stock so
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05-15-2008, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
And your car's a 5AT.....stock? Not to rain on your parade, but he must not have been making much boost or something, or it was a regular WRX with a wing on it.
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05-15-2008, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by korrupted
Maybe perhaps get an idea of what kind of equipment is being used to do this. Maybe its strickly Honda stuff or maybe its some kind of aftermarket stuff we as consumers can get a hold of.
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05-15-2008, 03:56 PM
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Ok this is pretty much my last hope on finding a solution.
http://forum.pgmfi.org/index.php?sid...3b699670bc5409
Its a forum dedicated to Honda ECU's and cracking them. Just found the forum so hopefully something can be found out there.
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http://forum.pgmfi.org/index.php?sid...3b699670bc5409
Its a forum dedicated to Honda ECU's and cracking them. Just found the forum so hopefully something can be found out there.
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05-15-2008, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by don5504
Is there really a need to purchase a $30K+ car? Is there really a need to purchase a Ferrari or go on Vacation? Is there really a need? No but I still want to.
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05-15-2008, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Just knowing that if one day, I decide to run from the cops, being able to go faster than 134 would be a nice ability to have in my car.
Seriously though, I'm pissed too knowing that my car is limited at ~130 and the base TL isn't. I'll probably take it up to there no more than five times in the three years I'll have the car, but when I do I'd like to take the car to its full potential and not have it cut off.
Seriously though, I'm pissed too knowing that my car is limited at ~130 and the base TL isn't. I'll probably take it up to there no more than five times in the three years I'll have the car, but when I do I'd like to take the car to its full potential and not have it cut off.
05-15-2008, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
I don't either. Assuming it is proven to be electronically/ECU limited to 135-ish I do find it mildy annoying/irritating ( 
) that of ALL the 3G TL/TL-S trims, ONLY the TL-S 5AT is limited to at that lower speed.
I mean, WTF?? It's like I got gipped.
Even though I'll probably never need it. Even though I've only been over (slighlty) 100 mph once. Even though if I track the car it's unlikely to have a straight long enough to get over 135. Even though .... .
(".... Assuming it is proven to be electronically/ECU limited to 135-ish ...." .
No that is NOT a flame or an arguement, etc. You have an excellent theory (TL/RL) and are building/have built a solid experimental base to support that theory. The last thing to put this to bed once and for all, to prove the theory beyond all doubt, is to "hack" the ECU and see what the limiter is actually set at.)
) that of ALL the 3G TL/TL-S trims, ONLY the TL-S 5AT is limited to at that lower speed.I mean, WTF?? It's like I got gipped.
Even though I'll probably never need it. Even though I've only been over (slighlty) 100 mph once. Even though if I track the car it's unlikely to have a straight long enough to get over 135. Even though .... .
(".... Assuming it is proven to be electronically/ECU limited to 135-ish ...." .
No that is NOT a flame or an arguement, etc. You have an excellent theory (TL/RL) and are building/have built a solid experimental base to support that theory. The last thing to put this to bed once and for all, to prove the theory beyond all doubt, is to "hack" the ECU and see what the limiter is actually set at.)
05-15-2008, 05:51 PM
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Looks like my only solution will be putting myself into a different car. I found a 07 G35 with 12k miles on it journey, navi, and sport and think I might be able to get an even trade for it so my payments stay the same. Hmmmmmm damn you lazy acura engineers.
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05-15-2008, 07:32 PM
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Would a stand alone engine management system work? If so would all instruments in the clusters still work also? So many more questions if that is an option. But I imagine a very expensive one too so it may not be worth it. 
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05-15-2008, 08:18 PM
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here is what my solution is, wire an 06 tl ecu... if your car is auto the only thing you will be losing is the paddle shifters and the slightly more aggresive shifts...
the tune is a bit different and should still function accordingly but I'd do a piggyback to go with it just to be safe
the tune is a bit different and should still function accordingly but I'd do a piggyback to go with it just to be safe
05-15-2008, 08:27 PM
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Looks like my only solution will be putting myself into a different car. I found a 07 G35 with 12k miles on it journey, navi, and sport and think I might be able to get an even trade for it so my payments stay the same. Hmmmmmm damn you lazy acura engineers.
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I'm sorry but that's just retarded.
05-15-2008, 09:22 PM
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https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1878445
By all reports I've seen/read, the TL/TL-S is electronically limited around 150 - 155.[/QUOTE]
i can vouch for that statement i got mine up to 150
and there was more to go
By all reports I've seen/read, the TL/TL-S is electronically limited around 150 - 155.[/QUOTE]
i can vouch for that statement i got mine up to 150
and there was more to go
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I'm planning to get a brand new '08 G35 Sport Sedan 6MT too.
Whup'in some @$$.... It's not only about high speed but having better accelerations. I have absolutely no problem with my '06 6MT TL other than the 3rd gear problem and poor build quality, fit and finish. Handling is good. Engine sound is great, great power. But it's time to move on to something serious. 
HEY don5504 are you planning to get the AUTO or 6MT? c'mon...c'mon man 6MT!! Forget your wife. 6MT IS THE PRIORITY!!!!!! A MAXIMUM LOL!!!
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Whup'in some @$$.... It's not only about high speed but having better accelerations. I have absolutely no problem with my '06 6MT TL other than the 3rd gear problem and poor build quality, fit and finish. Handling is good. Engine sound is great, great power. But it's time to move on to something serious. HEY don5504 are you planning to get the AUTO or 6MT? c'mon...c'mon man 6MT!! Forget your wife. 6MT IS THE PRIORITY!!!!!! A MAXIMUM LOL!!!
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05-15-2008, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Are you serious? You're really going to trade in your car for those 20 extra mph?
I'm sorry but that's just retarded.
I'm sorry but that's just retarded.
To the guy about the 06 ecu that may or may not work. I'll look into it when I have some time. But its been discussed that the 07 uses a modified rl transmission and ecu. But I was interested in seeing if the base 07-08 tl were also limited in the same fashion. If not that may be a solution iirc it also uses a modified version of the rl transmission which was new for the 07-08 model years. I may be mistaken though.
And to manual transmission about the 6mt.....HA I just may.
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05-15-2008, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TANE
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1878445
By all reports I've seen/read, the TL/TL-S is electronically limited around 150 - 155.
i can vouch for that statement i got mine up to 150 and there was more to go
By all reports I've seen/read, the TL/TL-S is electronically limited around 150 - 155.
i can vouch for that statement i got mine up to 150
and there was more to go
05-15-2008, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Just because some TL/TL-S did 150-155 mph doesn't mean all TL-S cars will get the same top speed. There are variations, due to speed limiters on the ECU. ACURA changed it!! Of course yours would go faster because yours is one of those that have speed limiter set to 150+. I suggest you read the entire thread here before jumping into conclusions.
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05-16-2008, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Just because some TL/TL-S did 150-155 mph doesn't mean all TL-S cars will get the same top speed. There are variations, due to speed limiters on the ECU. ACURA changed it!! Of course yours would go faster because yours is one of those that have speed limiter set to 150+. I suggest you read the entire thread here before jumping into conclusions.
sorry for the confusion part of my last post is a quote from Bearcat94 that he posted on the first page i was just adding from my experiences.
05-16-2008, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TANE
sorry for the confusion part of my last post is a quote from Bearcat94 that he posted on the first page i was just adding from my experiences.
FWIW - the articles I was refering to were R&T or C&D tests and all of those (AFAIK) were either MT or pre-'07.
From everything posted here, all the MT and pre-'07 had the limiter set at ~150. Consistent with the published information.
Also, based on posts here, ONLY the 2007 & 2008 TL-S 5AT are limited at ~135.
What is the word on 2007/2008 NON Type-S top speed?
( I am still in denial
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05-16-2008, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by don5504
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=108775
Spoon has modified an Acura RL. Do they even have a distributor or anything of the sort state side?
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Spoon has modified an Acura RL. Do they even have a distributor or anything of the sort state side?
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05-16-2008, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by don5504
Looks like my only solution will be putting myself into a different car. I found a 07 G35 with 12k miles on it journey, navi, and sport and think I might be able to get an even trade for it so my payments stay the same. Hmmmmmm damn you lazy acura engineers.
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05-16-2008, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
I read that, it was pretty amazing what they did with a RL, using stock breaks and only minor ECU tuning (using stock air box also!). Also surprised how much weight they shaved off two-ton vehicle.
Honestly I am probably just going to keep the car because it is the most sound financial decision. My sensibility is over riding the passion inside of me. But don't think for a min that I have forgotten about this or will not continue to search for a solution.
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