Must see: Someone posted their wrecked TL on an FB group
02-08-2015, 07:31 PM
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Must see: Someone posted their wrecked TL on an FB group
"All i remember is waking up to blood and my friend having a seizure and my girlfriend screaming. girlfriend broke her leg. i cracked my eye socket and my friend in the back unfortunately wasn't wearing a seatbelt and his arms and legs are broken and had severe brain bleeding.
he is in a medically induced coma right now but he is progressing he can move his hands now and he can hear people talking to him. nobody remembers anything but i was told the car flipped at least once
Good news is it was covered by insurance and we all are recovering"
he is in a medically induced coma right now but he is progressing he can move his hands now and he can hear people talking to him. nobody remembers anything but i was told the car flipped at least once
Good news is it was covered by insurance and we all are recovering"
02-08-2015, 07:36 PM
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02-08-2015, 08:19 PM
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That is one messed up TL. I am glad to hear the people are ok for the most part. Hopefully that guy in coma makes it.
02-08-2015, 08:28 PM
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Damn!!! Glad all the occupants are alive and hope they all make it.
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02-08-2015, 09:59 PM
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Does the FB posting give the associated story behind the picture? Anything more than "nobody remembers anything"
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02-08-2015, 10:25 PM
#11
Looks like it was a form of a "small-offset" crash. Look at how the passenger side A-pillar is completely mangled and bent and how the driver side bumper is basically clean still. It's definitely a two-lane road in the background which are culprits for this kind of crash. Say what you want about the government or insurance companies demanding safer cars and more tests...this is why. I hope that everyone pulls through this. This is a slightly morbid thought I guess but I wonder how a non-Honda car from that same time period would have done AND how, say, a TLX would have faired as well.
02-08-2015, 10:42 PM
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Racer
Daaaamn!!!!! That is one twisted piece of metal. Prayers go out to all those involved. Notice the jaws of life sitting on the ground on the passenger side
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02-09-2015, 02:10 AM
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Looks like theres snow on the ground which is hard to grab traction. Also if there really was alcohol thats one of the first things they check and insurance wouldnt be covering it if its alcohol related. Even if it's just speeding(which it very well may be) you will still lose since your bet is "drinking and speeding"
what's the wager? I may be interested in taking that bet
what's the wager? I may be interested in taking that bet
02-09-2015, 09:06 AM
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I saw it yesterday on Facebook and read the comments. The driver nor his passengers remember what happened.. He may have suffered Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and may have temporary lost his memory, which lead to the chain of events in this accident. The flip side is, he may really know what happened, could have caused it due to his actions and is feeling the guilt of the outcome of injuries caused to all including himself. Whatever the case may be, they are all luck to have survived such a violent accident.
02-09-2015, 09:13 AM
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Looks like theres snow on the ground which is hard to grab traction. Also if there really was alcohol thats one of the first things they check and insurance wouldnt be covering it if its alcohol related. Even if it's just speeding(which it very well may be) you will still lose since your bet is "drinking and speeding"
what's the wager? I may be interested in taking that bet
what's the wager? I may be interested in taking that bet
Now we may argue about the involvement of alcohol in the matter, but the insurance doesn't cover if you're over the limit of 0.08. Covers if you're legal. I've seen people with a BAC of 0.08 with pretty shitty judgment and depth perception.
That said, the tires look pretty worn and driving in winter with worn tires while speeding is just asking for trouble. No pity for dangerous drivers, hope everyone is okay nevertheless and hopefully a life lesson.
02-09-2015, 10:03 AM
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Three Wheelin'
Wow!
02-09-2015, 12:33 PM
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About 20 years ago I was going home for winter break, very similar conditions that are on the picture. I was with my girlfriend and a classmate buddy. Hit a small bump on a road it turned my car 180 degrees and threw into oncoming traffic. Lucky for us it was close to midnight and there weren't many cars on a road. I shifted to neutral and was able to steer into opposite shoulder driving backward. No alcohol and no speeding was involved.
02-09-2015, 01:07 PM
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About 20 years ago I was going home for winter break, very similar conditions that are on the picture. I was with my girlfriend and a classmate buddy. Hit a small bump on a road it turned my car 180 degrees and threw into oncoming traffic. Lucky for us it was close to midnight and there weren't many cars on a road. I shifted to neutral and was able to steer into opposite shoulder driving backward. No alcohol and no speeding was involved.
02-09-2015, 01:21 PM
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Shitty Acura paint, flaking off the hood...
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02-09-2015, 01:34 PM
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02-09-2015, 03:48 PM
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Now opening threads about things that have already been discussed 10,000 times on the other hand...
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02-09-2015, 04:51 PM
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02-09-2015, 10:08 PM
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Road is clear of snow in the back and while we can't see the whole trajectory of the crash it looks like pretty straight backcountry roads.
Now we may argue about the involvement of alcohol in the matter, but the insurance doesn't cover if you're over the limit of 0.08. Covers if you're legal. I've seen people with a BAC of 0.08 with pretty shitty judgment and depth perception.
That said, the tires look pretty worn and driving in winter with worn tires while speeding is just asking for trouble. No pity for dangerous drivers, hope everyone is okay nevertheless and hopefully a life lesson.
Now we may argue about the involvement of alcohol in the matter, but the insurance doesn't cover if you're over the limit of 0.08. Covers if you're legal. I've seen people with a BAC of 0.08 with pretty shitty judgment and depth perception.
That said, the tires look pretty worn and driving in winter with worn tires while speeding is just asking for trouble. No pity for dangerous drivers, hope everyone is okay nevertheless and hopefully a life lesson.
I don't know where you get the idea that insurance doesn't pay if the driver is intoxicated. That isn't the case in the US. Physical damage to the vehicle, property damage and any liability to any physical being involved is still in force even if the driver is falling down drunk. There's no clause in my policy that states that if I'm accused of driving under the influence that I'm exempt from coverage. Final disposition of DUI cases can take a year or more. An insurance company can't simply deny immediate coverage on an in-force policy for an alleged crime or withold it until disposition. Some policies do have provisions exempting coverage if you're using your vehicle for sanctioned racing events, but that's different.
02-09-2015, 10:54 PM
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Why don't you just take what you see here at face value? I see snow, not beer and liquor bottles falling out of the car. Maybe alcohol was involved, maybe not, but the speculation is pointless as it stands.
I don't know where you get the idea that insurance doesn't pay if the driver is intoxicated. That isn't the case in the US. Physical damage to the vehicle, property damage and any liability to any physical being involved is still in force even if the driver is falling down drunk. There's no clause in my policy that states that if I'm accused of driving under the influence that I'm exempt from coverage. Final disposition of DUI cases can take a year or more. An insurance company can't simply deny immediate coverage on an in-force policy for an alleged crime or withold it until disposition. Some policies do have provisions exempting coverage if you're using your vehicle for sanctioned racing events, but that's different.
I don't know where you get the idea that insurance doesn't pay if the driver is intoxicated. That isn't the case in the US. Physical damage to the vehicle, property damage and any liability to any physical being involved is still in force even if the driver is falling down drunk. There's no clause in my policy that states that if I'm accused of driving under the influence that I'm exempt from coverage. Final disposition of DUI cases can take a year or more. An insurance company can't simply deny immediate coverage on an in-force policy for an alleged crime or withold it until disposition. Some policies do have provisions exempting coverage if you're using your vehicle for sanctioned racing events, but that's different.
Now I'll let you analyze the situation yourself, but I can give you my point of view.
-Judging from the short text in the first post as well as the picture, very likely that the drivers and passengers are in their 20ies. Words used, apparent recklessness (1 passenger not buckled yet driver still going), type of car are all factors. Not a lot to take that data from, but the most probable age group to fit this data.
-Judging from the picture of the crash, it's highly possible they were speeding. The car is mangled, I've mangled a car like this before, it was violent. I'll let you be the judge of how fast you need to go to do this sort of damage on a car.
-Add this to the "nobody remembers anything" vibe as if they were trying to hide some important factor in the equation...
What comes to your mind? The driver had to pee really bad and that made him lose his concentration while driving? At the same time, everybody in the car suddenly forgot the events prior to the crash? How unfortunate!
There's enough statistics available regarding young males in their twenties and speeding AND alcohol related road accidents, I don't think I need to touch that subject. I'm simply connecting the dots to what seems like a quite credible scenario to me.
It's interesting to know that insurance will pay if you are condemned as DUI. Usually in Canada they try their best to get out of it. If you are paid, you can make sure any insurance with any company will be spiked a ridiculous amount. Turns out that they're repaying themselves one way or another. I was under the impression this was the case in the US, not sure if I'm happy it is not...
Edit: That said, I believe some insurance companies, even in the US will have clauses where they will not cover your car damages if the car was used illegally (insurance, driver license etc) or if you are condemned of committing a crime. Not specifically DUI/DWI related.
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02-11-2015, 12:43 PM
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Usually accidents that bad result in fatalities.
Anyone notice the tires on the car? They look like they're bald. Speed was maybe a factor but I'm betting alcohol wasn't. I'm willing to gamble that those shitty bald tires lost traction and the driver may have over corrected in his attempts to regain control.
I think as for DUI laws, it varies from state to state. Someone close to me had a DUI involved accident where she was way over the legal limit, and the insurance company paid out a claim to repair $14k worth of damage to her car. (Mainly airbags and paint work, plus the cost of brand new OE body panels and such).
Every time I get into a car I always put my seat belt on even if I'm in the back. Because when you least expect it, in less time than it takes to blink, you could be involved in an accident.
Remember in drive safely, and wear your seat belts everyone.
Anyone notice the tires on the car? They look like they're bald. Speed was maybe a factor but I'm betting alcohol wasn't. I'm willing to gamble that those shitty bald tires lost traction and the driver may have over corrected in his attempts to regain control.
I think as for DUI laws, it varies from state to state. Someone close to me had a DUI involved accident where she was way over the legal limit, and the insurance company paid out a claim to repair $14k worth of damage to her car. (Mainly airbags and paint work, plus the cost of brand new OE body panels and such).
Every time I get into a car I always put my seat belt on even if I'm in the back. Because when you least expect it, in less time than it takes to blink, you could be involved in an accident.
Remember in drive safely, and wear your seat belts everyone.
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02-11-2015, 01:09 PM
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Seat belts are for amateurs. I use the windshield to hold me back
I think Polo might be on the right track with this. At least partially. Clearly speed was a factor in this collision. Tire condition certainly didn't help. The alcohol is debatable though. Who knows when that photo was taken in relation to the accident, but Generally you don't see as many alcohol related accidents during the day, as much as you so in the evening/night.
I myself had a really bad accident too about 5 years ago. My car was an instant write off- just a mangled mess- I was in my mid twenties, driving a v6 6mt accord coupe. Due to a medical episode, I blacked out behind the wheel and put my foot down on the throttle. The rest was history. Making the news that evening, the reporters were talking about potential charges against me and investigation into whether alcohol was a factor. Easy to judge, and I don't blame people.
I also know many people who don't wear a seatbelt in the back seat. Myself included at times. A nice friendly reminder (at someone else's expense) that it might just be worth buckling up. Sigh.
I think Polo might be on the right track with this. At least partially. Clearly speed was a factor in this collision. Tire condition certainly didn't help. The alcohol is debatable though. Who knows when that photo was taken in relation to the accident, but Generally you don't see as many alcohol related accidents during the day, as much as you so in the evening/night.
I myself had a really bad accident too about 5 years ago. My car was an instant write off- just a mangled mess- I was in my mid twenties, driving a v6 6mt accord coupe. Due to a medical episode, I blacked out behind the wheel and put my foot down on the throttle. The rest was history. Making the news that evening, the reporters were talking about potential charges against me and investigation into whether alcohol was a factor. Easy to judge, and I don't blame people.
I also know many people who don't wear a seatbelt in the back seat. Myself included at times. A nice friendly reminder (at someone else's expense) that it might just be worth buckling up. Sigh.
02-11-2015, 01:34 PM
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Make it so
The fact that even the guy in the back seat, not wearing a seat belt, survived is a testament to how safe our TLs are. Every time I see one of these threads, I count myself lucky to be driving one.
I have my suspicions about the whole "no one remembers anything", with the lack of seatbelt for the rear passenger, so many people in the car (a risk factor when you're younger- more distractions, trying to impress each other, etc) and clear weather.
Either way, grateful for a safe car and for people who work to also keep us safe and respond to these kinds of events. If it weren't for the Jaws of Life in the bottom left corner of the image, they may not have gotten one or more of the occupants out in time.
I have my suspicions about the whole "no one remembers anything", with the lack of seatbelt for the rear passenger, so many people in the car (a risk factor when you're younger- more distractions, trying to impress each other, etc) and clear weather.
Either way, grateful for a safe car and for people who work to also keep us safe and respond to these kinds of events. If it weren't for the Jaws of Life in the bottom left corner of the image, they may not have gotten one or more of the occupants out in time.
02-11-2015, 03:07 PM
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Seat belts are for amateurs. I use the windshield to hold me back
I think Polo might be on the right track with this. At least partially. Clearly speed was a factor in this collision. Tire condition certainly didn't help. The alcohol is debatable though. Who knows when that photo was taken in relation to the accident, but Generally you don't see as many alcohol related accidents during the day, as much as you so in the evening/night.
I myself had a really bad accident too about 5 years ago. My car was an instant write off- just a mangled mess- I was in my mid twenties, driving a v6 6mt accord coupe. Due to a medical episode, I blacked out behind the wheel and put my foot down on the throttle. The rest was history. Making the news that evening, the reporters were talking about potential charges against me and investigation into whether alcohol was a factor. Easy to judge, and I don't blame people.
I also know many people who don't wear a seatbelt in the back seat. Myself included at times. A nice friendly reminder (at someone else's expense) that it might just be worth buckling up. Sigh.
I think Polo might be on the right track with this. At least partially. Clearly speed was a factor in this collision. Tire condition certainly didn't help. The alcohol is debatable though. Who knows when that photo was taken in relation to the accident, but Generally you don't see as many alcohol related accidents during the day, as much as you so in the evening/night.
I myself had a really bad accident too about 5 years ago. My car was an instant write off- just a mangled mess- I was in my mid twenties, driving a v6 6mt accord coupe. Due to a medical episode, I blacked out behind the wheel and put my foot down on the throttle. The rest was history. Making the news that evening, the reporters were talking about potential charges against me and investigation into whether alcohol was a factor. Easy to judge, and I don't blame people.
I also know many people who don't wear a seatbelt in the back seat. Myself included at times. A nice friendly reminder (at someone else's expense) that it might just be worth buckling up. Sigh.
What could you hide? Not wearing your seatbelt? That's easy to see, the seatbelt would be broken if you wore it. What else it left? Simplest answer is often the right answer.
It's definitely 101% interpretation of the data given and assumption. No facts here.
02-11-2015, 03:35 PM
#39
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Did you forget everything? You did not. Why? Not hiding anything.
What could you hide? Not wearing your seatbelt? That's easy to see, the seatbelt would be broken if you wore it. What else it left? Simplest answer is often the right answer.
It's definitely 101% interpretation of the data given and assumption. No facts here.
What could you hide? Not wearing your seatbelt? That's easy to see, the seatbelt would be broken if you wore it. What else it left? Simplest answer is often the right answer.
It's definitely 101% interpretation of the data given and assumption. No facts here.
All I remember is leaving the house and driving out of the crescent I lived in at the time. Then a complete blank. Then I remember coming to just as I was pushed into the ambulance on a stretcher (must have been a few minutes for the fire/ambulance to get there and use the jaws of life to get me out of the upside down car, that I have no recollection of). Then nothing again until I was at the hospital.
I did learn a lot about the incident from the news and eye witnesses talking on the news, lol.
