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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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Vista may go the way of Millenium

It looks like Vista may become the next Millenium for Microsoft.

Will Microsoft deliver Windows 7 next year?

April 4, 2008 (Computerworld) Microsoft Corp. has dropped two strong hints in the past two days that the next version of its Windows operating system will arrive in 2009, shaving up to a year off previous expectations.

It could also be a signal that Microsoft intends to cut its losses with Windows Vista, which has been poorly received or shunned by customers, especially large companies.

Microsoft has long said it wants to release Windows 7 about three years after Vista, which was released to manufacturing in November 2006 but not officially launched until January 2007. Given Microsoft's recent track record - Vista arrived more than five years after XP -- most outsiders had pegged sometime in 2010 as a safe bet for Windows 7's arrival.

But News.com reported today that Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates answered a question at a business meeting in Miami about Windows Vista by saying "Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version."

And during its announcement yesterday that it would extend the availability of Windows XP Home for low-cost laptops, Microsoft said it would retire the operating system only after June 30, 2010, or one year after the release of Windows 7, whichever comes later.

That implies that Microsoft is targeting the middle of next year for some sort of release milestone for Windows 7 -- the only codename known at the moment -- though whether that would be a final release to consumers or an RTM, which allows businesses and resellers to start installing it, is unknown.

A Microsoft spokeswoman, in an e-mail, said the company "is in the planning stages for Windows 7 and development is scoped to three years from Windows Vista Consumer GA." She said the company was providing early builds of the new operating system to gain user feedback, but otherwise was not providing further information.

Gates also said that he was "super-enthused about what [Windows 7] will do in lots of ways" but didn't elaborate.

What could those be? Microsoft has divulged a few things. Responding to criticism that Windows has become unnecessarily bloated, the company has 200 engineers developing a slimmed-down kernel called MinWin that uses 100 files and 25MB, compared to Vista's 5,000 files and 4GB core and is so small it lacks a graphical subsystem.

Microsoft has also confirmed that the operating system will come in consumer and business versions and in 32-bit and 64-bit editions.

Screenshots of early betas of Windows 7 are also appearing. Blogger Paul Thurrott yesterday put up screenshots from Build 6519 of Windows 7 released in December, which he said looks like "a slightly enhanced version of Windows Vista."

To prepare its millions of reselling partners, Microsoft needs to start generating excitement about its software months or years in advance.

But if it talks up Windows 7 too much, it runs the risk that large companies -- Microsoft's most profitable customer segment -- will hold onto their Windows XP machines and skip Vista entirely in favor of Windows 7.

That appears to be happening. A recent enterprise survey by Forrester Research Inc. showed that only 6.3% of enterprises were running Vista at the end of December, with most of the upgrades coming at the expense of aging machines running Windows 2000, not XP.

The vast majority of the 100 million copies of Vista that Microsoft has sold so far have gone to individuals and small businesses purchasing new PCs.

The least-loved version of Windows has long been Windows Millennium Edition, a buggy minor upgrade that was superseded by XP within a year of its release. Despite its far greater -- some would say, too great -- technical ambition, Vista may end up lumped together with ME as one of the blips on Windows' long-term road map.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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will be one of the best choices they could make.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Although it hasn't turned up on their connect site yet.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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I've finally gutted and tweaked Vista to run properly...

In fact, it runs ALMOST as well as XP.. I wish Microsoft would stop hiring dummies and hire some of the geniuses out there online who write these guides.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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The plan at work is to skip Vista and hang on to XP as long as we can. So..if others are following suite, then I think this would be a good move for them. Hopefully Windows 7 will be better (and more compatible)!
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:19 PM
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Good....the sooner Vista becomes a bad memory, the better.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Vista is really just XP IMO.......
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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The plan at work is to skip Vista and hang on to XP as long as we can.
The limitation with that plan is new hardware. Since you won't be able to buy machines with XP on them after June 30th, there's theoretically no reason for computer makers to offer XP driver support for any new hardware that appears after that date.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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I heard about this awhile ago. Now that I Have vista running pretty decently, I don't mind it. But I should not have to hack up an OS just to get it to function...
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:14 PM
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I think my school is trying to keep XP as long as possible. We just got hundreds of new computers and laptops in the school library, and although they all say they are running vista in terms of the stickers, they all have windows xp.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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the only problem i have with vista is the fact it's a resource hog. other than that, i've had no problems whatsoever.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:28 PM
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I have it running on multiple machines (not at home yet) and agree with sho_nuff and Swervincl, I had to hack it to remove all the bloated services that are running that have no need to be there and stop things like Itunes from installing unneeded crap as well.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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I think I predicted this when Vista first came out( I know, I am sure I am the only one...).

What he hell are the people at MS thinking? dumping this crap on the marketplace? Vista made me explore using Linux, and actually made me open my mind to the thought of an APPLE MAC...
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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I don't know why people hate Vista so much, I think the new interface is a nice overhaul in itself. The only visible difference between Win2K and XP was the 16-bit icons vs 8-bit icons, and there wasn't nearly as many complaints.

Vista is a FAR bigger change, for one it replaces a crappy UI that was a remenant from NT 3.1 and replaces it with something 3D accelerated:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/pretty-vista.ars/2

You don't get that kind of change for free, but I'll gladly make my fancy nVidia card finally useful for desktop acceleration instead of just games. Again, this is a much bigger jump than from 2K to XP, or from NT 4 to 2K. Give MS and driver developers time to optimize for Vista, and at some point it'll be either faster than XP (already is in some game benchmarks) and PCs will be so fast that it won't matter anyway.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:18 PM
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From the perspective of user interaction, I think the thing that pisses off a lot of people is that things seem to have been changed simply for the sake of changing them and not to make them any better. I've come across several things in Vista that take 2x to 4x as many clicks just to get to the same dialog boxes as XP. That's going backwards with a UI, not forwards. I don't care how pretty things look. On the plus side, things like Spotlig...errrr...Instant Search and the searchable Start Menu are definitely improvements.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:19 PM
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I refuse to move to Vista. I haven't seen 1 thing that gives me a reason to upgrade.

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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:37 PM
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I have Vista on my laptop works perfect however on the desktop at my house its horrible. The desktop never shuts down properly due to some driver error. But I have to say right now Vista>XP. And Windows ME biggest POS OS ever.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:11 PM
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at work the plan is to switch to vista in the next 8-12 months. since MS is putting out 7 next year, they will probably just wait for that.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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i never had many problems with ME. it was just 98SE tweaked a bit but nothing terribly noticeable (except its Win 2K face)
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 02:16 AM
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In general, the OS probably suck. But the media center interface total blows MCE2005!
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 05:22 AM
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my Vista Ultimate runs fine. No problems at all. If you got the propre computer specs, it should run fine. Love it so far.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 05:57 AM
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 09:11 AM
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I bought a new mo-board, cpu and memory and placed them in a box that was previously running Vista Ultimate with no problems at all. Now Vista won't install because it doesn't like the memory so I reverted to XP and things are running fine and a lot faster than Vista. I don't mind Vista so much and like some of the features except for UAC, that crap was turned off as soon as i installed Vista on my two laptops.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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I have no problems with Vista myself, but I do agree with everything Billiam said .. Some features take a few more clicks to find, can get -worthy at times.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I've finally gutted and tweaked Vista to run properly...

In fact, it runs ALMOST as well as XP.. I wish Microsoft would stop hiring dummies and hire some of the geniuses out there online who write these guides.

Any one guide you recommend over the other? Just curious what all you've found to make it run so well.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonesi
Any one guide you recommend over the other? Just curious what all you've found to make it run so well.

Windows XP for Geniuses?
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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i'm running XP pro but i've been waiting to get a new PC for the new 7.0 to come out. i know i could get one now and upgrade it down the road but i'll just wait for it to come out and then buy a new PC.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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Any one guide you recommend over the other? Just curious what all you've found to make it run so well.
http://www.tweakvista.com/

Their forums have a lot of guides and helpful people.

I basically shut off all the useless services that Vista puts on top of XP.
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They should jack some of the employees from Apple if they want to clean up their OS's and reputation IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Vista is really just XP IMO.......
- except that it looks, acts, and feels considerably different, and is slower.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
- except that it looks, acts, and feels considerably different, and is slower.
Takes about 2 clicks to turn off Windows enhancements...
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Takes about 2 clicks to turn off Windows enhancements...
Which two clicks are those? One has to be turning off UAC, perhaps the most annoying feature seen in Winblows since the Office paperclip
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Takes about 2 clicks to turn off Windows enhancements...
so I should upgrade to Vista, and turn everything off so it looks and feels like XP. okkkkk I've been against Vista from the start and this is exciting news. LOL
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 03:50 PM
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Find performance options....As as far as it feeling like XP, Vista's main purpose is to make it more secure (being that MS was flamed for allowing attacks) I think it did it pretty well....
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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yeah I hear you on the security.
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Isn't every OS slower than it's predecessor? Wasn't XP slower than W2k and Win2k was slower than NT 4? Wasn't everyone complaining when XP came out that it was slower than the previous operating system and it was so huge 1.5gb HD space required etc the same complaints you're making about Vista now everyone was making about XP when it was launched. Or what about XP SP2 the OS that everyone loves now how much did everyone hate it when it came out

Windows Vista SP1 shows all the early signs of becoming an unmitigated disaster. IBM issued an internal memo telling their employees not to install SP1 until further notice, if ever. Several of my readers have said that they have no plans to install SP1 despite the fact that Microsoft labels it a critical update. The problem is that SP1 breaks other software. Lots of other software. And the workarounds for a particular broken package, if indeed there are any, can be pretty complex, involving editing the registry, opening or closing particular ports manually, and so on. Not something you want users doing, and not something that IT departments have the resources to do machine by machine."

I probably have everyone reading this quote and in full agreement with this post in regards to Vista SP1. Except one problem. You see this isn't an exact quote, I edited it to say Vista sp1. The original post was in reference to XP SP2. Yes, boys and girls that same operating system that is the "good ol' operating system, stable, wonderful" that we are waxing poetic about now, was seen as a disaster of a service pack when it first came out. An "unmitigated disaster" in fact.
In two years when Windows 7 comes out (it ain't coming out in 2009) you'll be saying how great Vista is and how much Windows 7 is teh :ghey: just like you said about XP!
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 04:16 PM
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And since when did what bill gates say have anything to do with Windows 7 he never said windows seven. In fact he was asked about Vista and he said they'd have a new version out next year.

Seems more like he's talking about a new version of Vista aka Vista SP2 than Windows 7. But you can take it both ways I guess. But AFAIK Windows 7 is no where close to being ready in less than a year. They've only released one Milestone version of it and that's the first of many more pre release versions to come. I'd expect a 2nd Milestone version months before Professional Developers Conference (PDC) and hopefully by PDC we'll get all the details about what Windows 7 will be and we'll get an Alpha build released to MSDN subscribers and then 6 months after that we'll reach a Beta phase but to release a new OS within a year without it's features being discussed yet is ludicrous. Not even Apple does that. MS can't just say to their thousands of ISVs and hardware vendors oh hey we got a new OS coming out shortly so you better get your shit together. NO they give you way more than a year heads up with many Alphas and Beta OS released to their affiliates so that they have plenty of time to get their products up to par with the new OS.
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