pimpin-tl

Build a system comparable and show me. And I just showed you a topic that proves they are not overpriced. They use to be, yes, but they dropped their prices a lot over the last year.

Ken1997TL

And that discussion is filled with flaws everywhere.

If you really want to continue this with me listing bullet points down a list as to why, I will. The hardware alone is once again inferior to anything else at that price range.

I've been doing PC gaming since the mid 80's, I've owned dozens of computers and I build my own. I've even built a couple OSX boxes, I know the ins and outs of the machines.

For the money, Apple is a ripoff. They aren't even Mercedes or Lexus, they're more like Saab. Offering a quirky alternative, complete with a GM powertrain (aka Intel these days)

In other words, they bamboozle people into thinking they're unique. Its all marketing.

Ken1997TL

I don't need to show you anything. You are the lone ranger here advocating a Macbook of all things for gaming. The rest of us know better.

Your topic is flawed as hell.

Hop on Sony, Asus, Acer even SAGER and you get much more for $1500

pimpin-tl

I just built a Dell Studio 15" with a worse video card than the one that comes in the MAC 15" Pro and that system came out to the same price as the MAC with a worse video card, before the $250~ discounts that Dell is offering right now. So if you count in the discounts, then yes a PC is a little cheaper, but price vs price, it is the SAME.

Ken1997TL

From your thread:

x 1000

I really hope you didn't think that discussion was educational. Its more like something out of the Onion.

Ken1997TL

Dell? really?

Did you actually select a gaming computer?

pimpin-tl

Again, how is it INFERIOR when manufactures are still selling them with that same hardware even on the upgraded systems till you get to the more higher end ones?

jupitersolo

You want to match up, just the first laptop on Sager website, is better than a MBP 17" and hundreds of dollars cheaper.

http://www.sagernotebook.com/product...tion=customize

wasupdog

iTrader: (2)

there's no way that mac offers what a pc offers for the same price or lower. i can see why people pay the higher prices for the OS, apple-only programs and the design of the hardware case, but in my rough estimation the equivalent hardware macs will be 1.5x the price of a pc at least. there's no way they offer "value" for the dollar.

Ken1997TL

http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/noteb...ps-16-anav-1~~

Studio XPS 16

Add to Cart
Customize
Intel® Core™ i5-520M (2.40GHz, 4Threads, turbo boost up to 2.93Ghz, 3M cache)
Genuine Windows 7® Home Premium Edition
Edge-to-Edge HD+ Widescreen 15.6 inch WLED LCD (1600x900) W/2.0 MP
Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write)
4GB1 Shared Dual Channel DDR3
500GB2 7200 RPM3 SATA Hard Drive
ATI Mobility RADEON® HD 4670 – 1GB4
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi MB
Intel® 6200 WLAN Wireless-N (2x2) Mini Card

Thats a crummy Dell and its already superior to your Macbook for less money ($1350). I wouldnt trust a Dell for gaming though

pimpin-tl

A Mac Pro is never considered a Gaming machine. But for under $2k, it will be hard to get a actual good gaming machine. Just get a strong laptop that will perform well.

Ken1997TL

Inferior because they are older designs, slower hard drives, slower RAM etc.

Are you actually in IT??

Ken1997TL

Thank you, end of story.

/thread

pimpin-tl

Hmm, where's the bluetooth, the 7 hour battery, and the O/S needs to be Ultimate to be equal to the O/S of the MAC.

PS, mine has a 500gb 7200 rpm HD.

pimpin-tl

Again, you have proven nothing is inferior. I just showed you a equally spec machine from Dell and it was equal to the price of the MAC.

The prices are equal for the most part for the same hardware.

jupitersolo

You need to figure out the difference in a gaming laptop and one that you can play games on.

pimpin-tl

Funny, if you look back, I actually recommended a SAGER. I never even mentioned a MAC because they aren't considered Gaming laptops. But I don't like people saying they are more expensive or less compatible when in reality they aren't.

Ken1997TL

Bluetooth? It has it.

7 hour battery? Why? Its a GAMING laptop.

Why does the OS need to be Win7 ultimate?

Home premium will run games just as well.

Are you in IT? really?

pimpin-tl

I know the differences. They are minor and not worth the additional costs. I had a XPS 17" 1730 Laptop for 6 months before I sold it to get a MAC to try and the MAC performs better than the XPS did and much lighter of course.

pimpin-tl

Not per what you posted. Hmmm, gaming laptops barely make 1.5 hours if you are lucky. You need to get the big battery, so 7 hours might go 4-5 if you are lucky. It's a laptop, you need a bigger battery. If you want to compare a MAC Book Pro to the Gaming one you showed, then they need to have equal specs.

Home Premium might run games, but we are talking comparison here. OS-X has many built in stuff that Home Premium does not have, but Ultimate does. Do some research for a chance.

Pretty obvious I know more than you since I am actually pointing out the details while yours is just a opinion.

Ken1997TL

Wipe the XPS and reinstall Windows, it would perform just as well. Dell is notorious for loading all kinds of crap on their computers.

Lighter? Its a gaming laptop we're talking about..

pimpin-tl

It was wiped twice. And it did not out perform it. Of course it had Vista Ultimate, but we don't need to go there.

Ken1997TL

Fact: We're talking about a GAMING laptop.

Therefore a pissing match about batteries is pointless. Its going to be plugged in most likely.

Fact: Equivalent Macbook Pro to Acer, Asus, Sony etc is going to be hundreds of dollars more. Even then, the Mac may be inferior in terms of processor and RAM bus speed.

Fact: What does Win7 Ultimate have over Win7 Home Premium that is gaming related? Nothing.

pimpin-tl

FACT: We started to discuss the Macbook Pro being more expensive than a equally equiped laptop PC. If you want to compare between the two, you must do equally or as close as possible to the specs of both laptops. And again, your specs you showed were missing items that would push your laptops price OVER the MACs. Which then in turn shows the MAC as being cheaper.

FACT: You have yet to prove me one like I showed you that a equally spec machine is cheaper than a MACBook Pro that isn't a off the wall brand like Asus or Acer. For that matter, go get a E-Machine.

FACT: Same as above, you need to compare O/S that have same features as each other.

This conversation started when you said the MAC was overpriced. When I am just correcting you. Yes this topic is about Gaming laptops, but that is not what our discussion at this time between you and I is about.

jupitersolo

You drank the Apple/Mac kool-aid we get it, OK!

LuvMyTSX

Gotcha.

This is going to take a couple days of research, I think.

pimpin-tl

Laugh. The MAC is fun to use and is a nice thing to not worry about issues when I have 4 other PCs at home I work on and about 200 at work that I must support myself at a school not including servers, the network, and all the related IT stuff. I will still own PCs no matter what in my life as I am not a MAC person but enjoy using something different at times.

People who make fun of MACs usually are ones who has never owned one or used one for a long time.

LuvMyTSX

So Ken, you do not recommend Dell laptops for gaming? What would be your top 2 or 3 brands/machines?

jupitersolo

I have owned a MBP for the last 3 1/2 yrs.

Ken1997TL

Ok, I'll bite:

Try and beat this in a Mac..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834115679

Summary (for $1349 on Newegg)

Equivalent Macbook Pro is the 17" model which retails for $2,499.00

For another two hundred dollars I can probably find one that has a faster hard drive and better RAM.

Ken1997TL

I don't recommend Dell or HP.

Acer, Asus and Sager (if you want to spend the money)

Sony has a few good deals these days too. Worth taking a look and they're under $2000.

Ken1997TL

Nice generalization. I have OSX on this computer, its a triple boot.

pimpin-tl

Like I said, when you buy a off the wall brand like Acer, then yes. That is like buying a Kia to a Nissan/Honda. Go try and get one from Dell, Gateway, Lenovo, HP and let me know then.

LuvMyTSX

Yeah, I wouldn't touch an HP, for anything. Thanks.

jupitersolo

^^ Take a look at the F series Sonys.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644691999

Ken1997TL

An off brand huh?

So much for your IT experience..

Oh and I've had a few Acer laptops, they're just as good as anyone else.

Ken1997TL

+1

Those look to be your best bet Luv.

pimpin-tl

Yea, off brand. All the large corporations I have worked at has never had a ACER as a laptop.

You are a mod and you keep on being rude about the IT experience. That is insulting and against forum rules. How about you take a break away from the PC and be nice for a change?

pimpin-tl

Those Sony's look like a great deal. Not a gaming laptop though as some would consider it. Because it doesn't say gaming. lol

LuvMyTSX

Thanks!