Mac OS X Snow Leopard
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Mac OS X Snow Leopard
Who's got it? Thoughts? Impressions? Are your programs compatible? I went to the Apple Store today to go see it but it was closed due to renovations. I was tempted to buy a MBP yesterday after reading about the improvements in boot camp 3.0 but decided not to. Now is not a good time to buy a Mac or PC with Intel's next lineup due in about a month.
If I buy the upgrade can I do a clean install without needing to have Leopard installed?
My leopard installation is still corrupted from the safari update I tried to do a few weeks ago and I've been waiting for Snow Leopard's release to just start over fresh.
Side Note: I can't wait to hear about the new hardware at their keynote coming up. I'm anxious to see if they will give the Mac Mini the upgrade it needs. If Apple could put out something that wasn't at hte Mac Pro level but slightly higher than the mac mini, it'd be awesome. I'd be very happy with a mac mini running an intel quad processor.
My leopard installation is still corrupted from the safari update I tried to do a few weeks ago and I've been waiting for Snow Leopard's release to just start over fresh.
Side Note: I can't wait to hear about the new hardware at their keynote coming up. I'm anxious to see if they will give the Mac Mini the upgrade it needs. If Apple could put out something that wasn't at hte Mac Pro level but slightly higher than the mac mini, it'd be awesome. I'd be very happy with a mac mini running an intel quad processor.
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Careful Sly I'm reading that the SL install disc defaults to an upgrade install and to choose a clean install you have to choose so from the menu bar. I'm not sure if that's an Archive and Install or what but I think if you get the combo pack that has iLife, iWork and SL then it comes with a full install disc.
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Careful Sly I'm reading that the SL install disc defaults to an upgrade install and to choose a clean install you have to choose so from the menu bar. I'm not sure if that's an Archive and Install or what but I think if you get the combo pack that has iLife, iWork and SL then it comes with a full install disc.
I've read a few posts on the Apple Discussions that state people have been able to do clean installs using the upgrade version. Guess I'll have to bite the bullet and give it a shot. 
Unfortunately I can't do it until I get my NAS working again so that I can backup my data to perform the install of SL.
Unfortunately I can't do it until I get my NAS working again so that I can backup my data to perform the install of SL.
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I've read a few posts on the Apple Discussions that state people have been able to do clean installs using the upgrade version. Guess I'll have to bite the bullet and give it a shot.
Unfortunately I can't do it until I get my NAS working again so that I can backup my data to perform the install of SL.
Unfortunately I can't do it until I get my NAS working again so that I can backup my data to perform the install of SL.
I'm going to wait to see how it rates with the Mac community. Usually .0 releases aren't that great. I also am saving up to build a NAS, and until that point I have no where to back up my data to do a fresh install.
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I wouldn't try that unless you know for sure that it works. In my experience with the leopard install disc that was included with my parents macs they bought the day leopard came out those discs looked for previous versions of OSX before allowing to install. So if you delete all the data then the update may not continue.
Courtesy of one of the helpful forum posters on the Apple Discussion boards:
http://theappleblog.com/2009/08/28/s...e-new-big-cat/
http://theappleblog.com/2009/08/28/s...e-new-big-cat/
OS X users will find the installation process very much simplified. For advanced users, probably too much so, in fact. Running the installer from the Snow Leopard disc off of your desktop gives you only one install option: a simple upgrade. In the interest of time, and because I was curious to see how well it would work, that’s the option I used on my MacBook Pro, though I generally prefer doing a clean install with any major point OS change.
To run a clean install, users can boot from the Snow Leopard disc by holding down “C” during startup. From there, you can use Disk Utility to format your target drive and perform a fresh install.
Installation time was surprisingly fast, taking less than an hour start to finish. Apple has streamlined the installation process by removing a lot of drivers that used to be packaged with the OS, since Snow Leopard is programmed to go to the web to find those later if and when they’re required.
To run a clean install, users can boot from the Snow Leopard disc by holding down “C” during startup. From there, you can use Disk Utility to format your target drive and perform a fresh install.
Installation time was surprisingly fast, taking less than an hour start to finish. Apple has streamlined the installation process by removing a lot of drivers that used to be packaged with the OS, since Snow Leopard is programmed to go to the web to find those later if and when they’re required.
That's rich.
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It's on my mini. Installing on my iMac now. Then my MBP.
I ordered the UTD disk, but Apple didn't ship the DVD yet, had some time to kill tonight so I when down to the Apple store and bought a copy. I'll just give the UTD disk to my sister or something.
No impressions yet. Although I am interested in:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774
I ordered the UTD disk, but Apple didn't ship the DVD yet, had some time to kill tonight so I when down to the Apple store and bought a copy. I'll just give the UTD disk to my sister or something.
No impressions yet. Although I am interested in:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774
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In the reviews I've read it seems that many were having compatibility problems including Walt Mossberg and David Pogue and reported bugs to Apple that they hadn't seen yet.
It's on my mini. Installing on my iMac now. Then my MBP.
I ordered the UTD disk, but Apple didn't ship the DVD yet, had some time to kill tonight so I when down to the Apple store and bought a copy. I'll just give the UTD disk to my sister or something.
No impressions yet. Although I am interested in:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774
I ordered the UTD disk, but Apple didn't ship the DVD yet, had some time to kill tonight so I when down to the Apple store and bought a copy. I'll just give the UTD disk to my sister or something.
No impressions yet. Although I am interested in:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774
To use the technology over a wired network, a user must have either a 2007 (or newer) AirPort Extreme Base Station or a 2008 (or newer) Time Capsule with the most recent firmware installed, according to MacUser. If wake on WiFi activity is really what you're jonesing for, then you'll probably need a Mac released in 2009. Although Apple hasn't released an official list yet, MacUser found that machines created before then didn't seem to work. If you want to check if your machine supports Wake on Demand over WiFi you can check in System Preferences > Network > Airport, and then look under Wake on Wireless.
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That's always been my experience. I think it's cause Apple only lets a small handful of people test it so they don't get a great variety of systems so while they may think they're releasing something that's pretty stable and bug free once it goes out to the unwashed masses many new problems are discovered. MS on the other hand is the exact opposite they want a lot of testers, the Win 7 RC alone had over 8 million downloads.
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you can go from tiger to snow leopard. Apple just doesn't want to say it publicly. If you do the clean install method that Sly posted above that will work fine with tiger. So for $29 you get all the features of Leopard and Snow leopard.
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Yeah that WOD feature is cool but I current don't have an Apple base station. Something to consider in the future though.
I'll install it next weekend after I see what the major gripes are.
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I'll install it next weekend after I see what the major gripes are.
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I don't think 64bit will help you but some peeps over at macrumors say that Snow Leopard is a bit faster than Leopard on a core duo. I guess grandcentral helps?
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...light=core+duo
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...light=core+duo
I _just_ got all the workstations at work upgraded to Leopard 
Last summer we ran into a problem to where our Tiger image was not compatible with the newest MacBooks we purchased, so we ended up moving to Leopard (which wasn't a bad thing). However, now that we're finally 100% Leopard, I don't wanna be forced to upgrade to Snow Leopard yet!! I want to enjoy the consistency for a few minutes, lol. Doing OS upgrades on a school district of 1000 or so Macs is no easy task.
Though, I'll see if we can purchase a few licenses at work so we can play around with it.
Last summer we ran into a problem to where our Tiger image was not compatible with the newest MacBooks we purchased, so we ended up moving to Leopard (which wasn't a bad thing). However, now that we're finally 100% Leopard, I don't wanna be forced to upgrade to Snow Leopard yet!! I want to enjoy the consistency for a few minutes, lol. Doing OS upgrades on a school district of 1000 or so Macs is no easy task.
Though, I'll see if we can purchase a few licenses at work so we can play around with it.
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Well, the jury is still out, but so far so good.
The OS is definitely faster. File sharing is handled a bit better. I'm hoping Apple corrected an AFP bug that would reconnect shared drives after wake. The Wake on Demand feature may have something to do with this.
For $29 it's worth it. I'm guessing that the core technology for 10.6 is going to bring really cool stuff for 10.7.
The OS is definitely faster. File sharing is handled a bit better. I'm hoping Apple corrected an AFP bug that would reconnect shared drives after wake. The Wake on Demand feature may have something to do with this.
For $29 it's worth it. I'm guessing that the core technology for 10.6 is going to bring really cool stuff for 10.7.