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Mossberg Review

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1182...ain_promo_left

EuRTSX

I definitely don't have the money to buy this now, but come Christmas time, I'll pick one of these up. I can't wait!

ViperrepiV

I'm a little bummed about the fact that "some" headphones won't fit into the plug, so you'll need an adapter for these....so annoying

yanotkaj

Does anyone know if you will be able to keep your same number or will you have to get a new one?

cM3go

Why wouldn't you be able to use your same number? Its no different than getting a new cell phone.

mrdeeno

the thing I just learned that is turning me off about it is that you are paying full price for the phone (ie not subsidized by AT&T), but you are STILL required to get into a 2-year contract.

Looks like AT&T is milking this thing for all it can.

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

I will pretty much only get it if it meets these requirements:

1) It will play through my current ipod setup in my car (charging and all)
2) My bluetooth will pick up the calls and silence music when it does so, returning to normal after that.

Billiam

The latest rumor: it will be compatible with MS Exchange mail. If true, I think this could be a fairly significant step for Apple making in-roads to corporate IT culture.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=534

Siddig

1) If you have an in car system...some are not yet compatible. Apple is supposedly working on a software updates to fix this.
2) Watch the video. I believe the answer is yes.

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

which video? the apple one? maybe by v2 they'll have that all in order

Siddig

The apple guided tour. There is no reason the car stuff can't be added in this version of the phone. Its just a software update. As for the bluetooth. I'd bet money it does what you want because that is how the iphone works with the normal headset.

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

That would be awesome.....

I just say version 2 because I don't get out of Verizon till Janurary, and maybe/hopefully they will have an updated version out but then......with maybe a subsidised price

Siddig

Dont expect to see a subsidized price. it how the rates plans are reasonable. I wouldn't expect to see v2 until next year. Perhaps a memory bump.

Python2121

How funny is it that these telecom giants are trying to hold on to every last thing. Songs can not be used as ringtones on the iphone. In other news I am eligible to renew July 18, my birthday is July 25.

Python2121

Windows Mobile 5 (dont know about 6) cannot connect to WiFi with hidden ssid's (that I know of). My campus has its ssid hidden, so if this phone can connect to it that would be a big +

Siddig

Cept macrumors is now saying with the new itunes 7.3 (to be released as a download on Friday) you should be able to make any song in itunes a ringer for $.99

MightySemen

Any and all customers that want the iPhone WILL be able to purchase it on day of release... June 29th 6pm. I recommend everybody upgrade or create your new line today or tomorrow, to a free phone or whatever is most convenient for you. And then get the iPhone Friday. There is NO problem in doing this.

You DONT have to be eligible to upgrade, OR add a line to get the phone. Purchase of phone WILL be $499.99 for the 4GB and $599.99 for the 8GB done in-store but activation will be done at home online through the iTunes program. Also phone activation process will be started in-store and must be finished online as soon as possible.

WICKEDFX

Don't count on it. I asked today and cingular peeps said iphone is not able to use corporate monthly discount.

Also the long said rumor about a $150 instant rebate is also not going to happen. Cingular is planning to just sell the phone and you walk away to make the lines move quickly. Hopefully they don't run out if your far back in line.

pimpravi

true, also to add one, once we run out of iphones, we will offer a direct fufillment meaning once they are back in stock, they will be shipped to your house.. isnt that awesome?

Siddig

I could just go home and order one from the apple store if that happens. Better and faster then dealing with an ATT store I'm sure.

pimpravi

im not sure if they will offer that online, but in our att stores, yes that is deff. an option!.. i dont think these phones will be sold out so fast they will go for thousands of dollars on ebay.. but thats what im expecting..

Siddig

Yes, they will be on the online apple store at 6pm tomorrow.

soopa

pretty good summary of what's there and what's missing: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/eve...one-272827.php

yanotkaj

I am going to wait until the next version comes out,but I am definately going to get one.

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

Guess you didn't realize I was refering to my current discount with Verizon, and how the iphone would be cheaper that my current plan with discount

Python2121

Source? I called AT&T and they said I would be breaking my contract if I want to get one before my July 18th renew every almost 2 thing.

spdy0001

Sounds like there should be plenty of disappointed users. Good marketing on Apples part though. They know people will buy it regardless of the price and what it lacks. This allows them to sell a "next generation" IPhone to the inital users for another $500.

What it doesn't have:
• Support for all iPod accessories—doesn't support all car adapters for playing back, only charging
• An easy way to transfer phone numbers, via AT&T, from an existing phone
• Copy and paste support
• MP3/iTunes music ringtones
• Built-in game support
• Flash support anywhere (including browser)
• Instant Messaging
• Picture messaging (MMS)
• Video recording
• Voice recognition or voice dialing
• Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP support)
• One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
• 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
• A hardware keyboard
• GPS
• Removable battery
• Expandable Storage
• Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)
• BlackBerry support
• Flash or zoom on the camera
• Windows Media support


Known Problems:
• Can get a little warm after use
• Battery will need to be replaced by Apple after 300-400 charges
• Levy had problems with one of his email accounts, due to his ISP blocking port 25. Apple's engineers "suggested a fix and said that this was something that would probably be addressed in an update."
• EDGE data is very slow
• AT&T's signal is lousy
• No hardware playback buttons (on the phone itself) make you go back to the iPod app to change songs or stop music
• Takes more taps to reach the phone interface than other smartphones
• Getting your contacts onto here from your old phone may be a hassle
• No real-time navigation
• The few web-app programs Mossberg tried weren't' impressive
• Camera is only good with ample light and no motion
• Only 200 text messages included on any calling plan
• Playing back music through an iPod dock may cause interference, so the iPhone "offered to switch to airplane mode". Doing so means you get no calls

ViperrepiV

So Soopa, now that you have your SE phone, are you going to get the iphone?

BEETROOT

I don't know about disappointed users, since you know what you are getting before you buy it. With the amount of coverage this thing is getting, there really shouldn't be any surprises.


The four things I'm not too happy about:

No video recording
No bluetooth sync w/ computer
No copy paste
No IM

but what about web based IM? Can I use google talk if I am on gmail.com?

spdy0001

True, however almost all of the "coverage" the phone is getting is positive and is mainly pushed by Apple and AT&T. There certainly not going to try and make the items the phone lacks common knowledge.
I know for myself if I were dropping ~$500 on a phone I would certainly research the hell out of it and make sure what I was getting. Am sure some people on this board are like me as well, but the majority of people aren't.

Im not really knocking the IPhone im just confused as to how they can manage to integrate all this new technology in to a phone and forget some of the basics

BEETROOT

I hear ya spdy. Some of the stuff makes sense....(no gps or 3g) because of battery life and cost... but other stuff is just weird. I'm really confused about the lack of bluetooth sync and IM more than anything else. Is the missing IM to drive SMS rates up?

I use bluetooth sync a few times a day, I really hope they update that.

ViperrepiV

^^ maybe they ran out of time

software updates will fix some of these hopefully. but you dont know, because apple keeps a lot of this close to its chest.

BEETROOT

Good point, it was sort of rushed to market.


I just read that the battery is supposed to last 300-400 cycles, and after that you can send the phone into Apple to have 'it' replaced. Not sure if the 'it' means the phone or the battery, I assume the battery. I think it is better this way... should last 3 years before the battery starts to go, and there are less moving parts and just a cleaner design overall.

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

Well on 3g, isn't there some kind of ban on 3g chips coming to the US? Heard that somewhere, and they said that if the iphone had 3g in it, it would have to be delayed until a ruling allows 3g imported chips. Dunno if thats right.......

BEETROOT

^ I hadn't heard that. I just heard the chips drained too much battery, and that since GSM was the standard they were going with that.

Its irrelevant for me personally, I'm in a wifi network 99% of the time I would be using a phone, I'll hardly ever access data through ATT. I think that is the case for a lot of people, so they weren't really concerned so much with going 3G.

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, I heard that imported 3g chips are being banned from entering the country......iphone coming from china.

That's why there haven't been any new 3g phones coming out. Unless they are made with Qualcomm chips in the US. If I remember correctly

Moog-Type-S

@ the people in line waiting.

soopa

the big thing for me is no MMS. i don't understand how you can make such an immersive multimedia mobile device with no means of SHARING that media.

no video is a big bummer too.

no bluetooth iSync? wtf.

copy/paste, dont care.

IM, don't care. I IM via SMS anyway. And I can guarantee you there will be a 3rd party IM app within days.

But fuck, no MMS?!?!?!??!?!?!

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

yeah, i take and send way too many drunk pictures and videos. I guess you'd just have to send them to email addresses

soopa

can it send attachments via email? if it can that would be some consolation.