Google Music Beta
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From: NY
Which is exactly my question. If you already have the song on your device. What's the rush to push it to the cloud? The only reason you want the song in the cloud is to save space or share it on a device which isn't your primary and most people won't be purchasing stuff if its not their primary device.
Correct me if I'm wrong Miz, but this takes your iTunes, scans the songs, matches them (for $25/year) and then downloads the songs to your other devices internal memory.
It's a wireless scan and sync that you have to pay for. The free part only applies to PIM information (mail/calendar/contacts). It seems like a lot of hype. I'd much rather have google's service where I can simply access all my music from anywhere. The upload is not a big deal, it's a one time thing.
Safety Car
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From: LA, CA
So yeah iCloud looks like it downloads the songs to your device and doesn't actually stream it (Man did he click through a lot of stuff before it allowed him to download his songs. lol.):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZnE...layer_embedded
Kinda counterintuitive for a cloud based service but I guess its convenient for people who use iTunes for song purchases as they don't have to manually sync each device they have to get their songs. Apple probably avoided streaming to appease the cell companies who keep nagging about data limits, etc. It probably also helps their marketing team push sales of their higher storage iPhones, iPods, iPads since there's no expandable SD card. For me, this service isn't useful because it doesn't stream. But then again, maybe Apple will allow it to stream in the future. Who knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZnE...layer_embedded
Kinda counterintuitive for a cloud based service but I guess its convenient for people who use iTunes for song purchases as they don't have to manually sync each device they have to get their songs. Apple probably avoided streaming to appease the cell companies who keep nagging about data limits, etc. It probably also helps their marketing team push sales of their higher storage iPhones, iPods, iPads since there's no expandable SD card. For me, this service isn't useful because it doesn't stream. But then again, maybe Apple will allow it to stream in the future. Who knows.
music... Via iTunes.
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From: Marietta, GA
How are you listening to the music through your iPhone? I got my invite today so I'm going to upload my music tonight.
I liked that it uploaded my iTunes playlists. It's set and forget, it's not a hassle at all.
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You just browse to music.google.com/music if you're already logged in. The interface isn't spectacular because it isn't meant for it, but you can do it.
I honestly haven't even listened to anything since that day. No streaming allowed at work.
I honestly haven't even listened to anything since that day. No streaming allowed at work.
Bent = #1
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I'll see how many songs get uploaded.. it found more than 10,000 (I have 25K+). I don't see it actually uploading them except for the "New and Recent" section in Google Music. Stuff will just appear.. 
Got my invite yesterday
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Well I guess we are all wrong.
iTunes match and iCloud will let you stream your music to your device or download it should you want to.
$25 bux a year for 25,000 songs.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/29/...ding-of-music/
iTunes match and iCloud will let you stream your music to your device or download it should you want to.
$25 bux a year for 25,000 songs.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/29/...ding-of-music/
'iTunes Match' Allows Both Streaming and Downloading of Music
Aug 29, 2011 8:27 pm PDT by Arnold Kim
Apple released a developer beta of the iTunes Match system this evening. The system is described by Apple as follows:
iTunes Match stores your complete music library in iCloud, allowing you to enjoy your collection anywhere, anytime, on any iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or computer.
Insanely Great Mac provides this nice walkthrough video which shows you how the service works. It also shows that this is both a streaming and downloading service.
For the $25 yearly fee, iTunes Match will scan your existing iTunes music library and allow you to access it from any of your iTunes-linked Macs or iOS devices. Songs that already exist in Apple's iTunes music store will be streamed straight from Apple's master copy (at 256kbps bitrate) without a need to upload the songs yourself. Songs that don't exist in iTunes will be uploaded to iCloud. Either way, all your music (up to 25,000 songs) will be accessible from your various computers and iOS devices.
iOS 5 Music App streaming a song. iCloud button allows you to download locally.
What wasn't clear before is the fact that music can be either streamed or downloaded locally to any of your computers or devices. While the video only shows the service on a Mac, we've confirmed it works the same way on iOS devices. So, essentially, you will have instant access to your entire music library from all of your Macs, iPhones, iPads, or iPod touches for only $25/year. This ability on your iOS devices means your music library won't need to take up valuable space on the device itself, as long as you have some sort of internet connection.
iTunes Match is expected to launch alongside iOS 5 this fall.
Update: Insanely Great Mac has now posted a video showing how it works on an iOS device:
Aug 29, 2011 8:27 pm PDT by Arnold Kim
Apple released a developer beta of the iTunes Match system this evening. The system is described by Apple as follows:
iTunes Match stores your complete music library in iCloud, allowing you to enjoy your collection anywhere, anytime, on any iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or computer.
Insanely Great Mac provides this nice walkthrough video which shows you how the service works. It also shows that this is both a streaming and downloading service.
For the $25 yearly fee, iTunes Match will scan your existing iTunes music library and allow you to access it from any of your iTunes-linked Macs or iOS devices. Songs that already exist in Apple's iTunes music store will be streamed straight from Apple's master copy (at 256kbps bitrate) without a need to upload the songs yourself. Songs that don't exist in iTunes will be uploaded to iCloud. Either way, all your music (up to 25,000 songs) will be accessible from your various computers and iOS devices.
iOS 5 Music App streaming a song. iCloud button allows you to download locally.
What wasn't clear before is the fact that music can be either streamed or downloaded locally to any of your computers or devices. While the video only shows the service on a Mac, we've confirmed it works the same way on iOS devices. So, essentially, you will have instant access to your entire music library from all of your Macs, iPhones, iPads, or iPod touches for only $25/year. This ability on your iOS devices means your music library won't need to take up valuable space on the device itself, as long as you have some sort of internet connection.
iTunes Match is expected to launch alongside iOS 5 this fall.
Update: Insanely Great Mac has now posted a video showing how it works on an iOS device:
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So you have to pay for a "second" itunes library that allows you to download songs you already have on your phone/computer/ipod? Seems like a waste of money to me. But, I guess since it has the apple name on it, it's a great idea.
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you're paying to take any song that you got from anywhere (except itunes) and adding it to your itunes library at 256kbps AAC.
so you could have a really old piece of shit pirated radio rip at crappy quality and if apple has a master copy of it, you automatically get a legitimate higher quality copy. and if apple doesnt have a master copy then it gets uploaded to the cloud.
i dont think its that much of a waste especially at $25 a year. thats only $2 a month.
so you could have a really old piece of shit pirated radio rip at crappy quality and if apple has a master copy of it, you automatically get a legitimate higher quality copy. and if apple doesnt have a master copy then it gets uploaded to the cloud.
i dont think its that much of a waste especially at $25 a year. thats only $2 a month.
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99% of my music is pirated. so spending $25 to make up to 25,000 songs legitimate.. .
especially the shit i downloaded in highschool at 128kbps mp3....
then again id rather pay for something like grooveshark (for use on me phone).. or if i get a chance to tinker with it, spotify.
especially the shit i downloaded in highschool at 128kbps mp3....
then again id rather pay for something like grooveshark (for use on me phone).. or if i get a chance to tinker with it, spotify.
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It's not just about "legalizing" your songs, which I don't think you're doing because we don't know yet what happens to those legalized songs once you cancel music share. It's also about portablity of your music collectin and listening to your 500GB laptop library on your 16GB iPhone. Of course there already are apps for that....
well, in the small chance somebody has a 500GB library, this might be a good idea. But, you still have to dl the songs to your 16GB iPhone which is likely close to full from syncing with iTunes. Unless somebody has a spotify size library, this service is pointless, IMO.
It was said that it is a download service and not a streaming service a few posts up. Hence why I said it was pointless. No streaming ability is beyond retarded.
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In all honesty when I read the info for my last post it was still a question if true or not. They were thinking it was still a streaming/download hybrid where it would only affect your temporary cache rather than your actual storage. If they want my $25 they better have another trick up their sleeve.
Safety Car
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From: LA, CA
So Google just announced their Google Music Store:
https://market.android.com/music
More info about what's there:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11...music-sharing/
- No longer Beta and now open to everyone in the US (I think if you use a proxy you should be able to sign up for it still. Once you have an account, you don't need the proxy any more.)
- Streaming is and will remain free up to 20,000 songs
- Music purchased from the Market will be 320 kbps MP3 without DRM
- You can download purchased and uploaded songs to your computer
- Songs purchased can be shared to Google+ where anyone in your Circles can listen to the full track once for free
- Song previews will vary between 30, 90, to full song previews depending on the artist
- They also opened up sign ups for independent artists who want to sell their songs to anyone on the site for a one time $25 fee. They can change all the pricing of the songs and how long of a preview they want to share on their page
I wish they changed their Music Manager but I guess you only deal with it when uploading music. Also the web interface could've used an upgrade. Maybe those are coming later?
https://market.android.com/music
More info about what's there:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11...music-sharing/
MP3 Store: Available on the Android Market as a new category starting today. The tracks are stored in the cloud as 320Kbps MP3 files - no DRM. You also get 90 second previews. Requires Android 2.2+. Universal, EMI, and Sony are all on board (Warner Music Group is not), along with many smaller independent labels. 8 million paid tracks are live at launch, but the number will soon be 13 million.
Free Cloud Storage: The original 20,000 song cap that was part of the Google Music beta will remain in place, and it will remain free. It does not appear this storage is expandable at present, but this wasn't really discussed.
Song Sharing / Recommendation: You can share a song or album with your friends once you've purchased it. They'll receive one free listen of the song or album you just purchased. Your G+ friends will see any songs you've purchased then recommended in the Market as part of your Friend Stream, where the full song or album will play back once for any of your friends.
Exclusive Tracks: Google Music will offer some tracks exclusively (like live tracks from The Rolling Stones, Coldplay, Pearl Jam, Shakira, and Dave Matthews Band). Busta Rhymes will be debuting his new album on Google Music.
Artist Hub: Allows self-producing artists to submit their tracks to Google Music. You can create an artist page, upload music, and set your own retail prices. $25 to create your own artist page. Google's cut is 30% - flat rate.
T-Mobile Carrier Billing: This one is self-explanatory. T-Mobile customers will also get some exclusive free tracks.
US Only: Google has only signed distribution deals with major labels for the US market. There was no mention of any future availability of the service outside the United States.
Free Cloud Storage: The original 20,000 song cap that was part of the Google Music beta will remain in place, and it will remain free. It does not appear this storage is expandable at present, but this wasn't really discussed.
Song Sharing / Recommendation: You can share a song or album with your friends once you've purchased it. They'll receive one free listen of the song or album you just purchased. Your G+ friends will see any songs you've purchased then recommended in the Market as part of your Friend Stream, where the full song or album will play back once for any of your friends.
Exclusive Tracks: Google Music will offer some tracks exclusively (like live tracks from The Rolling Stones, Coldplay, Pearl Jam, Shakira, and Dave Matthews Band). Busta Rhymes will be debuting his new album on Google Music.
Artist Hub: Allows self-producing artists to submit their tracks to Google Music. You can create an artist page, upload music, and set your own retail prices. $25 to create your own artist page. Google's cut is 30% - flat rate.
T-Mobile Carrier Billing: This one is self-explanatory. T-Mobile customers will also get some exclusive free tracks.
US Only: Google has only signed distribution deals with major labels for the US market. There was no mention of any future availability of the service outside the United States.
- Streaming is and will remain free up to 20,000 songs
- Music purchased from the Market will be 320 kbps MP3 without DRM
- You can download purchased and uploaded songs to your computer
- Songs purchased can be shared to Google+ where anyone in your Circles can listen to the full track once for free
- Song previews will vary between 30, 90, to full song previews depending on the artist
- They also opened up sign ups for independent artists who want to sell their songs to anyone on the site for a one time $25 fee. They can change all the pricing of the songs and how long of a preview they want to share on their page
I wish they changed their Music Manager but I guess you only deal with it when uploading music. Also the web interface could've used an upgrade. Maybe those are coming later?
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It was so expected, so it is kind of snore. I do love that they kept it free. They also have a slight leg up on Apple with the Google+ integration. I'm not saying G+ is all that, but it blows Ping away.
T-Mobile carrier billing is a joke...is that their way of making up for the lack of the Nexus?
T-Mobile carrier billing is a joke...is that their way of making up for the lack of the Nexus?