Mizouse

there is no limit for pictures (at least in photo stream)

but yea i think 5GB is small.

GIBSON6594

The link I posted said "camera roll" is limited to the 5GB given. Sounds like a cloud limit to photos to me.

Mizouse

mail i wouldnt care about anyways since i got a gmail account, and i can already access those across multiple devices and they're in sync too.

GIBSON6594

So with Google you are getting much more for much less (free). Keep in mind you do have to pay for the iTunes matching. I know it's pennies, but I'll be damned if I'm paying anyone any amount to store my music for me. I've never had to do that in the past and I'm not starting now. I'd rather keep everything local.

Mizouse

yes, but photo stream also holds photos too. 1000 on your iDevice and unlimited on your PC. but i guess only for 30 Days.

Mizouse

iCloud is free too.

only thing you're paying for is the iTunes match which just takes your ripped music and turns it into iTunes purchased music.

Mizouse

and you dont even have to pay for that service if you dont want to use it.

but yea i guess it sucks that iCloud is only for iTunes purchased music. :thumbsdow

Mizouse

anyways off to work :thumbsdow

CocheseUGA

Google right now wins for me for the streaming.

Apple did do an interesting thing if I heard it correctly. It's basically going to be amnesty from the RIAA - pay us $25, and you can get legit copies of all your music that it can match. But if you can't download the legit better versions, I'm not sure what the point is.


I sincerely doubt it will just be via file names. If Shazam can identify a song in five seconds, Apple will have something similar.

speedemon90

Google will probably have a charge for their music once it gets out of beta. I'm thinking they might have small storage for free, but if you want more you'll have to pay $$
I dont think there's a limit for photos, but its the fact that it will only stay in the cloud for 30 days, which I see as an issue. All of them will be downloaded to the PC and up to 1000 to an idevice.

For me, I have some photos synced with picasa years ago. Its right on the gallery in my phone. Won't have a problem with losing photos unless I run out of room of course.

GIBSON6594

Yea, Google will charge, but I really can't imagine them charging those who have already loaded their libraries into Google Music. If they did, people would start removing their music to avoid the charge. I don't think that is Googs intention.

Doom878

I thought they said photostream was unlimited but only last 1000 taken.

Mizouse

But I think you can DL the legit versions, well having iCloud push them to all your devices. and IIRC iTunes match will "upgrade" them to 256kbps AAC DRM free files

I guess what they could do to prevent scanning of pirated music is have you pop in the CD to scan it.

Mizouse

The thing I see bad for google is that they let you upload any music even AFAIK pirated songs.

I don't see that going very well with the riaa.

Mizouse

Anyways how do I get an invite to the googles musics service?

GIBSON6594

Big giant meh. That's googles problem. I only care about getting the best services for me.

CocheseUGA

If it's stream only, it's not worth it. Especially with download caps on both home and mobile internet.

If they did that, they'd be the dumbest people on earth. Think of all the legitimate places to purchase music on the internet from.

Mizouse

But googles problem could end up being your problem if the RIAA decides to go after the users/shut the service down/restrict.


Meh.

Mizouse

It's not streaming.

As far As I understand the way it works is that say you buy a song on your iPhone. iCloud sees that you bought the song, associates it with your account and then tells your other associated/linked devices that you own the song and then they automatically downloads the song.

GIBSON6594

So all it's doing is making it so that you don't have to sync your other devices, if you have any?

These songs are stored locally and it's just a sharing system among your iphone and iPad? Seems not very useful.

Mizouse

That's what jobs talked about in the keynote. The difficulty if syncing so many devIces.

Mizouse

The biggest meh for me is that it's AFAIK only for iTunes purchased music.

Doom878

Mizouse: http://music.google.com/music/

So I assume then you can only stream to iTunes installed computers? If you're depending on a workstation with no admin rights, advantage Google.

Doom878

No they showed the picture of CD's stacked that you bought legally and ripped legally to iTunes. You don't have to repurchase those. Therefore pirated allowed. I just think if you have the Dj Clue remix of Justin Bieber featuring Led Zeppelin - Beat It (remix by Timbaland), you probably can't stream that since it's likely not in iTunes.

Mizouse

I was talking about the free iCloud.

Yes iTunes match will turn CDs and I'm assuming pirated MP3s into legit iTunes purchased files on your devices.

Also he said if iTunes doesn't have it, then it will upload.

I dunno I need to let this shit soak in.

And stop saying streaming, because it's not.

Mizouse

IMO google music has some advantages and so does apples iCloud

And they both have their disadvantages.

GIBSON6594

What is the advantage of icloud over google music (assuming I'm happy with the quality of my music)?

Mizouse

Don't need to upload?

CocheseUGA

Is that a big deal?

Mizouse

If you got a large library then initially it's a pain.

Also from what Im reading you can only manage your collection via the manager on your computer.

So if you purchase/DL music on your phone/tablet, can you upload to your collection from there?

GIBSON6594

Not really, plus you can stream music while it's uploading. You don't have to wait for your entire library to upload to start listening to it.

I did 4,000 songs in a day. Just let it run overnight.

CGFebTSX04

Not really a big deal. I left mine overnight and I uploaded about 10 GB worth of music and I would guess it took 6 hours to do all of it. You don't have to wait for all of it to finish uploading everything either. Whatever gets uploaded is ready for use. You can manage the collection on any device that can access music.google.com To upload songs you need to download an app called Music Manager to tell which folders you want it to sync and just let it do its thing. You can do this on any computer you authorize streaming access to.

As far as playback, it seems to pre-downloads a little of up to the next 5 songs so that when you seek to the next one, it doesn't have to buffer. So in essence, while you're listening to one song, it downloads and completes that first, then pre-downloads the next songs. I've tested the app in areas I know that has bad reception and had no hiccups what so ever.

CocheseUGA

I liked that it uploaded my iTunes playlists. It's set and forget, it's not a hassle at all.

I can play it on my iPhone as well. When I get Android, there's an app.

Mizouse

I understand that, you need a computer to upload music.

But I'm asking could I upload music directly from an android cell phone or tablet?

If I'm understanding google music website, it's a no.

CGFebTSX04

Not without pulling it off the device. So no. Luckily, its very easy to share files with Android. Just mount the phone like your normally do as a mass storage. Or you could sync it to a DropBox folder and then pull that song on a PC with Music Manager then upload it to the cloud. (You could technically automate this step as well but you would have to have a computer thats running all the time). If you already have the song on your device I don't see what the rush is to push it to the clouds unless you're trying to save space.

speedemon90

this is where the advantage comes in from iCloud

CocheseUGA

But it's only an advantage if you purchase a lot of songs directly on the phone.

GIBSON6594

Right, plus it's not like you can't purchase song right from the phone. Vanilla Android even comes with the Amazon app pre-loaded. So just fire that up, buy whatever song you need to hear at that moment, then upload it to the cloud when you get a chance.

CGFebTSX04

Which is exactly my question. If you already have the song on your device. What's the rush to push it to the cloud? The only reason you want the song in the cloud is to save space or share it on a device which isn't your primary and most people won't be purchasing stuff if its not their primary device.

Mizouse

meh.