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FAA expected to officially change electronics rule this week.
After months of cajoling, prodding, and pushing, the Federal Aviation Administration is expected to finally remove the requirement that electronic devices be turned off and put away during the takeoff and landing phases of commercial flights.
The New York Times reported on Monday that an FAA advisory panel is expected to recommend pulling back these electronic restrictions in a meeting this week. That board is expected to pass along its recommendation to the full FAA later in the month, with implementation in the skies happening sometime in 2014.
The new rules will almost certainly not permit mobile phone calls, in-flight texting, or mobile data use that would require communication with ground-based towers.
For almost a year now, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) has been the voice of angry members of the public who want to be able to continue listening to a podcast, reading an e-book, or gaming on a plane without interruption.
"The public is growing increasingly skeptical of prohibitions on the use of many electronic devices during the full duration of a flight, while at the same time using such devices in increasing numbers," McCaskill wrote in a letter to the FAA last year. "For example, a traveler can read a paper copy of a newspaper throughout a flight, but is prohibited from reading the same newspaper for major portions of the flight when reading it on an e-reader."
It’s likely that the new regulation will cover all airlines and all kinds of aircraft, as airlines will have to certify that their fleets can withstand a certain level of interference. Airline companies already have to do that when they install onboard Wi-Fi and digital entertainment systems.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...f-and-landing/FAA expected to officially change electronics rule this week.
After months of cajoling, prodding, and pushing, the Federal Aviation Administration is expected to finally remove the requirement that electronic devices be turned off and put away during the takeoff and landing phases of commercial flights.
The New York Times reported on Monday that an FAA advisory panel is expected to recommend pulling back these electronic restrictions in a meeting this week. That board is expected to pass along its recommendation to the full FAA later in the month, with implementation in the skies happening sometime in 2014.
The new rules will almost certainly not permit mobile phone calls, in-flight texting, or mobile data use that would require communication with ground-based towers.
For almost a year now, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) has been the voice of angry members of the public who want to be able to continue listening to a podcast, reading an e-book, or gaming on a plane without interruption.
"The public is growing increasingly skeptical of prohibitions on the use of many electronic devices during the full duration of a flight, while at the same time using such devices in increasing numbers," McCaskill wrote in a letter to the FAA last year. "For example, a traveler can read a paper copy of a newspaper throughout a flight, but is prohibited from reading the same newspaper for major portions of the flight when reading it on an e-reader."
It’s likely that the new regulation will cover all airlines and all kinds of aircraft, as airlines will have to certify that their fleets can withstand a certain level of interference. Airline companies already have to do that when they install onboard Wi-Fi and digital entertainment systems.
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Great. Now we get to listen to some fat slob yak on his phone for an entire five hour flight. 
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Im pretty sure it will only work on the ground.Originally Posted by PortlandRL
Great. Now we get to listen to some fat slob yak on his phone for an entire five hour flight.
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^no in-flight calls.
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Fixed?Originally Posted by Whiskers
And still, reception at 25000 feet is a bit sketchy.
Unless you have a satellite phone in which case reception should be better.
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What if they bring their own femtocell...
Did you guys read the article at all?
You still can't make calls or (attempt to) use wifi.
But it's about time they stopped telling people to turn off camera/computer/phone/mp3 player/ereaders/etc. People do it anyway.
And yea, even if it were safe, no cell calls on a plane. Good lord.
You still can't make calls or (attempt to) use wifi.
But it's about time they stopped telling people to turn off camera/computer/phone/mp3 player/ereaders/etc. People do it anyway.
And yea, even if it were safe, no cell calls on a plane. Good lord.
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So, let me get this straight...
I have to take off my shoes just in case i happen to have put explosives in there to bring down a plane, but I am allowed to bring multiple electronic devices on board that can cause harm to the plane, and am only "asked" by the flight attendant to turn them off with no verification?
Why is is that people wishing to do harm to planes don't simply leave their cell phones and ipads turned on and broadcasting during takeoff and landing?
I have to take off my shoes just in case i happen to have put explosives in there to bring down a plane, but I am allowed to bring multiple electronic devices on board that can cause harm to the plane, and am only "asked" by the flight attendant to turn them off with no verification?
Why is is that people wishing to do harm to planes don't simply leave their cell phones and ipads turned on and broadcasting during takeoff and landing?
Some planes already have on board WiFi. So we can't use this anymore?
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FAA officially approves using electronics during all phases of flight
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The FAA is officially allowing the use of some electronics during takeoff and landing, not just while in the air. In a statement, the agency said it was immediately providing guidance to airlines that would let them integrate the new rules. Airlines will need to submit a plan to manage electronics use, including outlines for new flight attendant training, for the FAA's approval. And that approval could come quickly: Delta says it has already completed testing and submitted a plan. Pending the FAA's decision, it could be in place as early as tomorrow.
Passengers will eventually be able to read e-books, play games, and watch videos on their devices during all phases of flight, with very limited exceptions. Electronic items, books and magazines, must be held or put in the seat back pocket during the actual takeoff and landing roll. Cell phones should be in airplane mode or with cellular service disabled — i.e., no signal bars displayed — and cannot be used for voice communications based on FCC regulations that prohibit any airborne calls using cell phones.
What does this mean in the long run? The FAA has posted a set of frequently asked questions to its site, noting that not all airline fleets will be able to implement the regulations right away. Part of the planning phase includes making sure that planes can handle the radio interference signals from devices, as well as changing carry-on and stowing policies to differentiate between light devices like tablets and heavier ones like laptops, which could pose a physical danger in a bumpy takeoff. However, despite previous indications that the rules wouldn't go into effect until next year, the FAA now says we'll be seeing broad changes by the holidays. "The agency expects airlines to allow passengers to safely use their devices in airplane mode, gate-to-gate, by the end of 2013," it writes.
"YOU'RE WELCOME, TOBY ZIEGLER."
The decision comes a month after an investigatory panel officially recommended that passengers be allowed to use personal electronic device at any point during a flight. It's also been years in the making. As smartphones, tablets, and e-readers began to replace magazines as in-flight entertainment, frustration grew at the decades-old regulations meant to prevent radio signals given off by electronics from interfering with the aircraft's own control system. In March of 2012, the FAA said it would take a "fresh look" at the issue, a decision supported by Congress and the FCC. The investigation was never meant to cover texting and phone calls, which are banned under different regulations.
The FAA's change has so far been met with praise. Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO), one of the strongest critics of the old policy, calls it "a win for common sense." And Director of the National Economic Council Gene Sperling ended the official White House statement with a subtle West Wing joke: "You're welcome, Toby Ziegler."
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/31/5...ases-of-flightThe FAA is officially allowing the use of some electronics during takeoff and landing, not just while in the air. In a statement, the agency said it was immediately providing guidance to airlines that would let them integrate the new rules. Airlines will need to submit a plan to manage electronics use, including outlines for new flight attendant training, for the FAA's approval. And that approval could come quickly: Delta says it has already completed testing and submitted a plan. Pending the FAA's decision, it could be in place as early as tomorrow.
Passengers will eventually be able to read e-books, play games, and watch videos on their devices during all phases of flight, with very limited exceptions. Electronic items, books and magazines, must be held or put in the seat back pocket during the actual takeoff and landing roll. Cell phones should be in airplane mode or with cellular service disabled — i.e., no signal bars displayed — and cannot be used for voice communications based on FCC regulations that prohibit any airborne calls using cell phones.
What does this mean in the long run? The FAA has posted a set of frequently asked questions to its site, noting that not all airline fleets will be able to implement the regulations right away. Part of the planning phase includes making sure that planes can handle the radio interference signals from devices, as well as changing carry-on and stowing policies to differentiate between light devices like tablets and heavier ones like laptops, which could pose a physical danger in a bumpy takeoff. However, despite previous indications that the rules wouldn't go into effect until next year, the FAA now says we'll be seeing broad changes by the holidays. "The agency expects airlines to allow passengers to safely use their devices in airplane mode, gate-to-gate, by the end of 2013," it writes.
"YOU'RE WELCOME, TOBY ZIEGLER."
The decision comes a month after an investigatory panel officially recommended that passengers be allowed to use personal electronic device at any point during a flight. It's also been years in the making. As smartphones, tablets, and e-readers began to replace magazines as in-flight entertainment, frustration grew at the decades-old regulations meant to prevent radio signals given off by electronics from interfering with the aircraft's own control system. In March of 2012, the FAA said it would take a "fresh look" at the issue, a decision supported by Congress and the FCC. The investigation was never meant to cover texting and phone calls, which are banned under different regulations.
The FAA's change has so far been met with praise. Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO), one of the strongest critics of the old policy, calls it "a win for common sense." And Director of the National Economic Council Gene Sperling ended the official White House statement with a subtle West Wing joke: "You're welcome, Toby Ziegler."
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about damn time.
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Delta and JetBlue become first airlines to allow electronics during takeoff and landing
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/1/50...akeoff-landing
Passengers on one of the first flights to allow gadget use before takeoff and landing.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/1/50...akeoff-landing
Passengers on one of the first flights to allow gadget use before takeoff and landing.
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If anything, its going to make the flight attendants jobs a lot easier. Most of their jobs is monitoring people who use electronics during take off and landing.
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Add American Airlines to the list...
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Cell phones should be in airplane mode or with cellular service disabled — i.e., no signal bars displayed — and cannot be used for voice communications based on FCC regulations that prohibit any airborne calls using cell phones.
Cell phones should be in airplane mode or with cellular service disabled — i.e., no signal bars displayed — and cannot be used for voice communications based on FCC regulations that prohibit any airborne calls using cell phones.
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LOL at the only guy with a flip phone....ahahahahahaDelta and JetBlue become first airlines to allow electronics during takeoff and landing
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FCC confirms it may allow mobile calls during flight, but airlines have final say
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The FCC has confirmed that on December 12th, it will consider a proposal that would give airlines the option to let passengers make cellphone calls during flight. But the Commission is also attempting to head off any consumer unrest over such a change, underlining the fact that airlines (and their customers) will make the final decision on cellphone use. In fact, by default, placing a call would remain prohibited. "This is purely a technical decision; it would leave airlines free to develop any in-flight phone usage policy they may wish," the FCC says. That position is reiterated several times during a FAQ that follows, with the FCC readily admitting, "We understand that many passengers would prefer that voice calls not be made on airplanes."
"IT WILL BE THE AIRLINES’ DECISION."
If approved, the new rules would allow airlines to install an Airborne Access System in each of their planes. This equipment enables mobile devices connect to commercial cellular networks. But regardless of how you feel about about "The FCC’s current rules prohibiting use of cellphones on planes were adopted more than 20 years ago to protect against radio interference to cellphone networks on the ground." "Technology that can be installed directly on an airplane is now available to prevent such interference and has already been deployed successfully in many other countries around the world without incident."
The Commission also wants to make sure you don't confuse this proposal with recent changes implemented by the FAA; you may be able to use your Kindle everywhere, but cellular calls will only be permitted above 10,000 feet. The FCC will formally open a public comment period on the topic within the next few weeks, but if you can't wait, it's also taking feedback right now at its 1-888-CALLFCC hotline.
Update: New FCC chairman Tom Wheeler says he's personally not a fan of the idea. "We understand that many passengers would prefer that voice calls not be made on airplanes. I feel that way myself," he told the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/22/5...-during-flightThe FCC has confirmed that on December 12th, it will consider a proposal that would give airlines the option to let passengers make cellphone calls during flight. But the Commission is also attempting to head off any consumer unrest over such a change, underlining the fact that airlines (and their customers) will make the final decision on cellphone use. In fact, by default, placing a call would remain prohibited. "This is purely a technical decision; it would leave airlines free to develop any in-flight phone usage policy they may wish," the FCC says. That position is reiterated several times during a FAQ that follows, with the FCC readily admitting, "We understand that many passengers would prefer that voice calls not be made on airplanes."
"IT WILL BE THE AIRLINES’ DECISION."
If approved, the new rules would allow airlines to install an Airborne Access System in each of their planes. This equipment enables mobile devices connect to commercial cellular networks. But regardless of how you feel about about "The FCC’s current rules prohibiting use of cellphones on planes were adopted more than 20 years ago to protect against radio interference to cellphone networks on the ground." "Technology that can be installed directly on an airplane is now available to prevent such interference and has already been deployed successfully in many other countries around the world without incident."
The Commission also wants to make sure you don't confuse this proposal with recent changes implemented by the FAA; you may be able to use your Kindle everywhere, but cellular calls will only be permitted above 10,000 feet. The FCC will formally open a public comment period on the topic within the next few weeks, but if you can't wait, it's also taking feedback right now at its 1-888-CALLFCC hotline.
Update: New FCC chairman Tom Wheeler says he's personally not a fan of the idea. "We understand that many passengers would prefer that voice calls not be made on airplanes. I feel that way myself," he told the Los Angeles Times.
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no thanks to allowing calls. Last thing I want to hear is people jabbering about their shitty lives for 5 hours.