Beginning of the end for the desktop PC.
Beginning of the end for the desktop PC.
Intel 'preparing' to put an end to user-replaceable CPUs
Summary: Reports suggest that Intel is preparing to kill off PC upgrades by adopting the BGA rather than an LGA package for its upcoming Broadwell architecture processors. This is the beginning of the end for the desktop PC.
By Adrian Kingsley-Hughes for Hardware 2.0 | November 28, 2012 -- 11:55
Yesterday, a report emerged claiming that Intel is planning to release its upcoming 14-nanometer Broadwell architecture processors as a ball grid array (BGA) rather than an land grid array (LGA) package.
This would have several widespread implications, including bringing to an end to processor (CPU) upgrades.
Traditionally, the processors in desktop systems are fitted into a socket on the motherboard that allows them to be removed and replaced, while systems such as notebooks and tablets have the CPU soldered onto the motherboard.
At present, Intel uses the LGA package design, which allows the processor to either be fitted into a socket or soldered directly to a motherboard. This gives the OEM down the line options as to how to mount the processor onto the motherboard.
A switch to BGA would mean that the processor could no longer be fitted into socket where it could be removed or replaced, and instead would be soldered to the motherboard much like processors for notebooks and tablets are nowadays.
The rumor that Intel was planning a switch from LGA to BGA has been circulating for months, but earlier this week Japanese tech site PC Watch (translation here) was the first to break the news.
I have now independent confirmation from a PC building OEM, who declined to be named, along with two motherboard makers, that Intel has briefed them of the switch from LGA to BGA for Broadwell architecture processors, which are expected to make an appearance next year.
Separately, tech site SemiAccurate has also received confirmation from two unnamed PC OEMs.
Why the switch?
First and foremost, at least from Intel's point of view, is that this move puts the chip giant in an even more commanding position, allowing it greater control over the motherboard market. More control means more money.
While it doesn't seen that Intel wants to cut existing motherboard makers out of the equation just yet, sources I have spoken to seem to be worried that this could happen in the mid-to-long-term.
The vast array of motherboard choices that both enthusiasts and OEMs currently enjoy could be a thing of the past in a couple of years.
It's a move that could make PC OEMs happy too. Soldering a component to a motherboard is cheaper than soldering a socket and then fitting that processor into the socket. The difference might only be pennies, but spread over millions of PCs, those pennies add up.
As far as the PC OEMs are concerned, killing off the PC upgrade market would be a good thing because it would push people to buy new PCs rather than upgrade their existing hardware. The PC industry is currently stagnant, partly because consumers and enterprise are making existing hardware last longer.
The casualties of this move will be upgraders and PC 'modders', the huge market that exists around them. While not many people bother to upgrade their PCs, instead choosing to buy a new one, the market is large enough to support countless manufacturers and vendors. This move by Intel would be the final nail in the coffin for this industry, taking down a number of players. This, unfortunately, would have a corresponding knock-on effect on jobs.
Intel wins. OEMS win. People wanting cheap PCs win. But there are a lot of losers.
According to SemiAccurate, the successor of the Broadwell architecture, called Skylake, will bring back a socketed CPU, "for a generation, possibly two," but I have not been able to confirm this independently.
It seems that this is the beginning of the end for upgrades, and not just CPU upgrades. Apple is already soldering RAM onto the motherboards of its MacBook Pro systems.
This feels to me like the beginning of the end for the desktop PC. Modularity made the desktop PC, and removing this key feature will break it.
Summary: Reports suggest that Intel is preparing to kill off PC upgrades by adopting the BGA rather than an LGA package for its upcoming Broadwell architecture processors. This is the beginning of the end for the desktop PC.
By Adrian Kingsley-Hughes for Hardware 2.0 | November 28, 2012 -- 11:55
Yesterday, a report emerged claiming that Intel is planning to release its upcoming 14-nanometer Broadwell architecture processors as a ball grid array (BGA) rather than an land grid array (LGA) package.
This would have several widespread implications, including bringing to an end to processor (CPU) upgrades.
Traditionally, the processors in desktop systems are fitted into a socket on the motherboard that allows them to be removed and replaced, while systems such as notebooks and tablets have the CPU soldered onto the motherboard.
At present, Intel uses the LGA package design, which allows the processor to either be fitted into a socket or soldered directly to a motherboard. This gives the OEM down the line options as to how to mount the processor onto the motherboard.
A switch to BGA would mean that the processor could no longer be fitted into socket where it could be removed or replaced, and instead would be soldered to the motherboard much like processors for notebooks and tablets are nowadays.
The rumor that Intel was planning a switch from LGA to BGA has been circulating for months, but earlier this week Japanese tech site PC Watch (translation here) was the first to break the news.
I have now independent confirmation from a PC building OEM, who declined to be named, along with two motherboard makers, that Intel has briefed them of the switch from LGA to BGA for Broadwell architecture processors, which are expected to make an appearance next year.
Separately, tech site SemiAccurate has also received confirmation from two unnamed PC OEMs.
Why the switch?
First and foremost, at least from Intel's point of view, is that this move puts the chip giant in an even more commanding position, allowing it greater control over the motherboard market. More control means more money.
While it doesn't seen that Intel wants to cut existing motherboard makers out of the equation just yet, sources I have spoken to seem to be worried that this could happen in the mid-to-long-term.
The vast array of motherboard choices that both enthusiasts and OEMs currently enjoy could be a thing of the past in a couple of years.
It's a move that could make PC OEMs happy too. Soldering a component to a motherboard is cheaper than soldering a socket and then fitting that processor into the socket. The difference might only be pennies, but spread over millions of PCs, those pennies add up.
As far as the PC OEMs are concerned, killing off the PC upgrade market would be a good thing because it would push people to buy new PCs rather than upgrade their existing hardware. The PC industry is currently stagnant, partly because consumers and enterprise are making existing hardware last longer.
The casualties of this move will be upgraders and PC 'modders', the huge market that exists around them. While not many people bother to upgrade their PCs, instead choosing to buy a new one, the market is large enough to support countless manufacturers and vendors. This move by Intel would be the final nail in the coffin for this industry, taking down a number of players. This, unfortunately, would have a corresponding knock-on effect on jobs.
Intel wins. OEMS win. People wanting cheap PCs win. But there are a lot of losers.
According to SemiAccurate, the successor of the Broadwell architecture, called Skylake, will bring back a socketed CPU, "for a generation, possibly two," but I have not been able to confirm this independently.
It seems that this is the beginning of the end for upgrades, and not just CPU upgrades. Apple is already soldering RAM onto the motherboards of its MacBook Pro systems.
This feels to me like the beginning of the end for the desktop PC. Modularity made the desktop PC, and removing this key feature will break it.
I've never actually upgraded a CPU in any of my motherboards. By the time I decided I needed a new CPU I just replaced the whole damn thing. There was always something preventing upgrading the CPU, new socket design, different voltage, etc.
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from an overclocking standpoint this might be a bad idea, but then again the enthusiast market is small in the grand scheme of things. fry the chip or the mobo with too much volts? lol guaranteed to need a new motherboard AND CPU!
meh....much ado about nothing.
The days of upgrading chips on to motherboards are long past.
Technology is increasing so fast, and at such a cheap price, the days of replacing have long since passed us by.
The days of upgrading chips on to motherboards are long past.
Technology is increasing so fast, and at such a cheap price, the days of replacing have long since passed us by.
But I do find I generally have to replace the core trifecta - CPU/motherboad/memory.
I do have note though:
Last year during the hurricane my motherboard got fried. It sure was nice to be able to just buy a new MB. Integrated stuff is always annoying in that respect.
I wonder how shops like newegg will work.
i.e right now you can buy X number of CPUs, and Y number of MBs that support those CPUS. I guess they just sell a far less number of combos now.
Although I suppose most combos don't sell anyway (i.e. cheap CPUs with expensive MBs).
I'll be buying a small desk top and, shortly after, a new laptop. Definitely not a MAC
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Intel CPU Architect doing an AMA on Reddit says this story is BS...
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...el_ama/c7mpj22
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...el_ama/c7mq4x6
Interesting AMA, BTW
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment..._at_intel_ama/
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...el_ama/c7mpj22
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...el_ama/c7mq4x6
Interesting AMA, BTW
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment..._at_intel_ama/
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as far as I understand it, AMD has no intention of going this route. I was a huge Intel proponent forever, but I just bought myself a brand new AMD motherboard/CPU combo




