Mizouse

It can't?

If the apple one can't stream stuff from my pc. Then no want.

Getting the Sony netbox.

CocheseUGA

You're not paying attention. ATV CAN stream from your PC. Or the iTunes Store. Or Netflix.

#1 STUNNA

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Mizouse

So the 2010 shuffle is just like the 2nd gen shuffle?

Mizouse

I'm busy at work. Haven't had time to look up the info asshole.

Mizouse

Did thy say what formats it supports? Xvid/mkv

Sarlacc

It's a little smaller but yes. I think they saw sales fall when the lost the buttons. And for 50 bucks. I'm sure they make them cheap. Easy cash. The nano is the true break out star. Small and touch screen.

Mizouse

I honestly didn't mind the loss of buttons. The controls are the same as on my iPhone.

And yea, I wouldn't mind checking out the nano.
But for gym use, i think the shuffle would be best.

CocheseUGA

Mongo just a pawn.

#1 STUNNA

Anyone else notice that the nano lost the video camera capability too, I thought it was pretty weird last year when they released it.

Mizouse

just noticed this tid bit on the iPod touch's camera

So it's an entirely different camera than the 4.
Well obviously since it can't fit.

Mizouse

At least it can take photos unlike the previous gen nano.
As nice as it was to have a video camera. But no picture camera? Didn't make sense.

#1 STUNNA

^ you have to learn to pay special attention to what he says. He'll tell you specs of one thing and then just casually mention another and thats the one you need to read the fine print on.

I realized when he said it that it wasn't the same camera, also it doesn't have flash either.

Mizouse

I wonder if it's 1280x720 resolution for the videos. Or that 960x720

#1 STUNNA

Here's a comparison table from Engadget

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<tr>
<td width="20%" valign="top">Device:</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="center">AppleTV</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="center">Roku XR</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="center">Pop Box</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="center">LG BD550</td>
</tr>
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<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="vertical"><img vspace="4" hspace="4" border="0" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/apple-tv-thumb-1283373942.jpg" alt=""></td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="vertical"><img vspace="4" hspace="4" border="0" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/roku-thumb.jpg" alt=""></td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="vertical"><img vspace="4" hspace="4" border="0" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/popbox-thumb-1283377455.jpg" alt=""></td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="center"><img vspace="4" hspace="4" border="0" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/bluray-disc-thumb.jpg" alt=""></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="20%" valign="top">Price:</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">$99</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">$99</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">$129</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">$130 - $150</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="20%" valign="top">Form Factor/Size:</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">3.9 x 0.9 x 3.9</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">5 x 5 x 1.75</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">8 x 1.4 x 6 inches</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">16.9 x 1.8 x 7.9</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="20%" valign="top">Available Content:</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">HD TV shows from ABC &amp; Fox ($0.99), HD Movie rentals ($4.99/$3.99), Netflix, iTunes, YouTube</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">Netflix, Amazon VOD (now with $0.99 HD TV show purchases from Fox &amp; ABC), MLB.tv, UFC, NBA GameTime, YouTube, Pandora</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">YouTube, Revision3, Blip.tv, h.264 / XviD / MPEG-4, MKV / AVI / WMV</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">Blu-ray discs, VUDU, Netflix, CinemaNow, YouTube, Pandora, Napster</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="20%" valign="top">Apps / SDK:</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">N/A</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">Roku Channel / SDK available</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">Popapps Store / SDK available</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">NetCast widgets</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="20%" valign="top">Connectivity:</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">WiFi N, Ethernet</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">WiFi N, Ethernet</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">Ethernet, optional WiFi adapter</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">Ethernet, Disc</td>
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<tr>
<td width="20%" valign="top">Video Quality:</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">720p, 5.1 audio</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">720p (1080p upgrade coming soon), 5.1 audio</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#eeeeee" align="center">1080p, 5.1 audio</td>
<td width="20%" valign="top" bgcolor="#b3e2c4" align="center">1080p, 7.1 audio, DTS-HD MA / Dolby TrueHD audio</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

it still seems the only reason to use the ATV is if you're already committed to the iTunes marketplace and that's where you get your videos from. So if iTunes is the hub of your media experience for Audio and Movies/TV then it makes sense, otherwise I'd go with the Roku. But I'm just gonna stick with my new 360 cause it can be a Meda Center Extender (I'll expand more on this in my Windows 7 thread, stay tuned), supports DLNA (an industry standard and not proprietary like bonjour and iTunes streaming), does netflix, and soon will have ESPN 3, and Hulu.

Mizouse

interesting so it has the portrait orientation lock and screen brightness control built into the multi task dock.

so what is the current orientation lock going to be used for??

#1 STUNNA

It'll be easier to access, no need to double click the home button

Mizouse

so i tried out that citadel app using the unreal engine.

omg pretty amazing graphics for a fricken cell phone!

CocheseUGA

I may just give Apple TV a shot. 720p doesn't really bother me right now, because I have a 720p Plasma as my main set. If I had 1080p, I'd already have a HTPC hooked up to it, so that's not a big deal. I can see where it would be for some.

I already convert my movies to .m4v for use with 7MC/MCE, so the format streaming doesn't bother me. Using the 360 is a decent solution, but if you're using any add-ons or third party software to enhance the 7MC experience (which, IMO, it absoutely requires) then you'll be dog-ass slow when it comes time for it to display all of your titles. Actual playback isn't an issue, but navigating to your movie will be. That said, I'm not sure how the newer version handles this. ESPN3 would have been nice, especially if I indeed cancel my Gold sub. I don't watch enough serial TV shows to really have an opinion on Hulu.

For me, it's a sheer tossup between Roku and Apple. Not having gigE is a surprise, though. But then again, neither does the Roku. Hopefully I'll be able to play with it in a store before I decide. The only potential thing that may cause me pause is how well it plays with WHS.

Scrib

Well, I just grabbed another apple tv. For $99, I had a hard time saying no. I have the original ATV and enjoy it quite a bit. I'll likely move the old one upstairs into our bedroom, put the new one with the entertainment setup where we do most of our TV watching.

This is the perfect device for me (as Stunna mentioned) because iTunes does all my media handling. Lame they didn't give a 1000mbit NIC, though.

doopstr

I don't think you will miss the 1gig nic. It doesn't have a hard drive so it's only good for streaming. 100 is plenty good for that.

CocheseUGA

I suppose that's true, considering I do it now over G.

doopstr

Wow, it doesn't use much power at all.

Scrib

Good, because my current ATV gets hotter than hell.

#1 STUNNA

^I've heard stories of people actually cooking eggs on one!

Thankfully my mini server runs pretty cool even when playing flash videos....

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

Stunna I'm too lazy to go back and check, but did you basically blow a gasket when they announced Ping? It's pretty much a rip of Zune social no?

#1 STUNNA

I don't think WMC needs any add-ons so that doesn't bother me. the UI does seem a little sluggish, I'm gonna run a wire to my 360 in the future so I'll see if that helps. my movies are stored on my WHS (supports DLNA too) so I connect directly to that for my movies and not through MCE.

The thing to be aware of with the Apple TV (correct me if I'm wrong) is that in order to stream from a PC you need iTunes installed and it needs to be open and running in the background. While that might not bother you, it'd bother me. I'm not a fan of iTunes on the PC and I only have quicktime as a necessity...

#1 STUNNA

AHAHAHAHA!!! I wasn't on here during the announcement cause I slept in. but i did get up and watch the announcement on the Apple site (stream was good for me except it would skip for about 30sec every 15 minutes). But I wouldn't say I blew a gasket I did find many similarities between Ping and the social. It seems they're still playing catch up! Wow you can see what you're friends are listening to and see when concerts are coming up, how novel, so glad you thought of that first! the only new thing would be following artist, I don't think the Social has that.

But still no Zune pass, so you're stuck listening to only pre-selected 30 sec samples of what you're friends are listening to, no way to preview the whole song/album or rent it either like you can with the zune pass.

Welcome to the Social, Apple!

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

You know as soon as this was mentioned I could immediately see the next extension of iTunes. Buy your concert tickets online through Itunes for a $0.99 convenience fee instead of Ticketmasters insanity of $4.

CocheseUGA

It only helps slightly. At least, with the Media Browser plug-in.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, you still need a computer with WMC/7MC on and connected for the MCE to work. You can get your files from anywhere, but Media Center needs to be on an active computer at least somewhere on your network. Unless you've installed it on your WHS?

As for Apple TV, I can't say. I think the best solution would be to have it on the server (not iTunes Server Service), but I hear it's troublesome. Having iTunes, running or otherwise, hasn't really bothered me.

I just love the added versatility and eye candy Media Browser brings.

#1 STUNNA

yes but I don't think WMC needs to be open and running in the background in order for MCE to work...

CocheseUGA

No, it doesn't. I'm merely asking if it's a big deal, besides an aversion to iTunes.

Mizouse

Yea I guess since it only supports 720p, 100BASE-T should be sufficient.
All I know is my ps3 stutters sometimes on 1080p content since it's on a 100 network (1 computer on the network doesn't have gigabit network :thumbsdow

CLpower

I'm an old ATV adopter....have had the 160GB for a fwe years...the ease of use is just fool proof....I wish the new one had a hard drive because i liked being able to store stuff on it, but will definately be getting one of these new ones for the bedroom shortly.


$99 and the ease of use is unbeatable

CLpower

to the point where you can't touch it!!!!

Mizouse

So no word on the mystical white iPhone 4?

#1 STUNNA

Nope, they'd rather not talk about it til it's ready to go. I think they said fall this year but that could probably come and go too

Doom878

They said end of the year.

Moog-Type-S

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/09/...a-spam-magnet/

Yumcha

You gonna buy that to go with your black one?



I hope for a yellow iPhone. Us should be represented too.